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Dec 4, 2019 18:48:44   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Zemirah wrote:
"Expert witnesses" displaying obvious bias are an anathema to all those subjected to their
testimony.

Sadly but generally true, yet always when their "bias" differs from that of the reader's/listener's bias.

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Dec 4, 2019 18:51:19   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
slatten49 wrote:
Noah R. Feldman is an American author and Felix Frankfurter Professor of Law at Harvard Law School. Much of his work is devoted to analysis of law and religion. Expert opinions are generally an anathema to those who live in an alternate reality.


I have testified as an expert over forty times and had many testify against me. Expert witnesses are not supposed to be advocates for anything or have any bias show up in their testimony. Geatz uncovered these amateurs biases fairly well I think. Their previous coaching and prior knowledge of the questions was also obvious.

Experts are hired to say what their "employers" want them to say and they always say what the "employers" want them to say, else they would not be hired. In other words they are paid to say what, in this case, the democrats, wanted them to say. That's important, they are paid to say what others want them to say. And, as experts, they should get it right. Feldman saying that you can't Trump the constitution on the Constitution's definition of bribery was, without a doubt, one of the most idiotic of all their comments. And Karlon's attack on Barron was an inexcusable mistake. Both comments mentioned here revealed all we needed to know about them; they were saying what the democrats had already told them to say and they were willing to do it because they were being paid to say it and because they hate Trump.

Experts? No.

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Dec 4, 2019 19:26:06   #
emarine
 
Zemirah wrote:
"Expert witnesses" displaying obvious bias are an anathema to all those subjected to their
testimony.





Trump would be an excellent expert witness ... just put him on the stand & give him a fair shake...

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Dec 4, 2019 19:37:53   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Hardly, there are still those bona fide citizens residing within the United States, mainly in "flyover country," who retain the ability to request and expect a fair and legal procedure to take place within the purview of our elected Representatives and other elected officials, and that it take place without exhibiting bias toward the individual being railroaded.

Our duly elected President Trump has been subjected to a completely lawless and unprecedented political procedure intended to engender negative propaganda, without even the pretense of adhering to the protocol of a preceding vote to impeach in the House.

Having neither watched or listened to one minute of this unprecedented charade, my own indignation centers on the word, "lawless," which has described the entire mindless procedure since its inception.

Nothing against fruit, but "banana republic" is not the ideal to which we are to aspire.


slatten49 wrote:
Sadly but generally true, yet always when their "bias" differs from that of the reader's/listener's bias.

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Dec 5, 2019 08:40:25   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
slatten49 wrote:
Donald Trump’s Republican congressional allies are throwing up different defenses against impeachment and hoping that something may sell. They say that he didn’t seek a corrupt political bargain with Ukraine, but that if he did, he failed, and the mere attempt is not impeachable. Or that it is not clear that he did it, because the evidence against him is unreliable “hearsay.”

It’s all been very confusing. But the larger story — the crucial constitutional story — is not the incoherence of the president’s defense. It is more that he and his party are exposing limits of impeachment as a response to the presidency of a demagogue.

The Founders feared the demagogue, who figures prominently in the Federalist Papers as the politician who, possessing “perverted ambition,” pursues relentless self-aggrandizement “by the confusions of their country.” The last of the papers, Federalist No. 85, linked demagogy to its threat to the constitutional order — to the “despotism” that may be expected from the “victorious demagogue.” This “despotism” is achieved through systematic lying to the public, vilification of the opposition and, as James Fenimore Cooper wrote in an essay on demagogues, a claimed right to disregard “the Constitution and the laws” in pursuing what the demagogue judges to be the “interests of the people.”

Should the demagogue succeed in winning the presidency, impeachment in theory provides the fail-safe protection. And yet the demagogue’s political tool kit, it turns out, may be his most effective defense. It is a constitutional paradox: The very behaviors that necessitate impeachment supply the means for the demagogue to escape it.

As the self-proclaimed embodiment of the American popular will, the demagogue portrays impeachment deliberations as necessarily a threat to democracy, a facade for powerful interests arrayed against the people that only he represents. Critics and congressional opponents are traitors. Norms and standing institutional interests are fraudulent.

President Trump has made full use of the demagogic playbook. He has refused all cooperation with the House. He lies repeatedly about the facts, holds public rallies to spread these falsehoods and attacks the credibility, motives and even patriotism of witnesses. His mode of “argument” is purely assaultive. This is the crux of the Trump defense, and not an argument built on facts in support of a constitutional theory of the case.

Of course, all the presidents who have faced impeachment mounted a political defense, to go with their legal and constitutional case. And it is not unusual that they — and, even more vociferously, their allies — will attack the process as a means of undoing an election.

The difference in Mr. Trump’s case is not merely one of degree. Richard Nixon despised his opposition, convinced of their bad faith and implacable hatred for him. But it is hard to imagine Mr. Trump choosing (and actually meaning) these words to conclude, as Nixon did, a letter to the chair of Judiciary Committee: “[If] the committee desires further information from me … I stand ready to answer, under oath, pertinent written interrogatories, and to be interviewed under oath by you and the ranking minority member at the White House.”

Mr. Trump has instead described Adam Schiff, the chairman of the Intelligence Committee, as a “corrupt” politician who shares with other “human scum” the objective of running the “most unfair hearings in American history.”

These remarks are not merely one more instance of Mr. Trump’s failure to curb his impulses. This is his constitutional defense strategy. Mr. Trump’s White House counsel, informing the House of the president’s refusal to cooperate, declared that the impeachment process is unconstitutional and invalid — a “naked political strategy” — and advised that the president would not participate. It matters that the president’s lawyer, in a formal communication with the House, used rhetoric that might have been expected from the hardest-core political supporters. Once again, contrasts with past impeachments are illuminating. Bill Clinton’s White House counsel Charles Ruff testified before the House Judiciary Committee, pledging to “assist you in performing your constitutional duties.”

The demagogue may be boundlessly confident in his own skills and force of political personality, but he cannot succeed on those alone. He can thrive only in political conditions conducive to the effective practice of these dark arts, such as widespread distrust of institutions, a polarized polity and a fractured media environment in which it is possible to construct alternative pictures of social realities. Weak political parties now fall quickly into line with a demagogue who can bring intense pressure to bear on party officials and officeholders through his hold on “the base.” As we have seen with Mr. Trump, the demagogue can bully his party into being an instrument of his will, silencing or driving out dissenters. Republican officeholders know that Mr. Trump can take to Twitter or to Fox News or to the podium at rallies — or all of the above — to excoriate them for a weak will or disloyalty.

This is how the Republican Party has become Mr. Trump’s party. It is also why that party will not conceive of its role in impeachment as entailing a constitutional responsibility independent of the president’s political and personal interests. It has come to see those interests as indistinguishable from its own. In this way the constitutional defense of the case against Mr. Trump and the defense of his own interests become one and the same. As another fabled demagogue, Huey Long of Louisiana, famously announced: “I’m the Constitution around here now.”

The implications for the constitutional impeachment process are dire. Until Mr. Trump, modern impeachment has ended with some generally positive assessment of its legacy. Nixon’s resignation appeared to indicate that serious charges could bring the parties together in defense of the rule of law.

“The system worked” was a popular refrain, even if this was a somewhat idealized and oversimplified version of events. The Clinton impeachment suggested that the standards for an impeachable offense required a distinction between public misconduct and private morality, and Congress reclaimed its responsibility for impeachment from an independent counsel statute that was allowed to lapse.

The Trump impeachment is headed toward a very different summation. A demagogue can claim that Congress has forfeited the right to recognition of its impeachment power, then proceed to unleash a barrage of falsehoods and personal attacks to confuse the public, cow legislators and intimidate witnesses. So long as the demagogue’s party controls one of the two chambers of Congress, this strategy seems a sure bet.

When this is all over, we will not hear warm bipartisan praise for how “the system worked.” The lesson will be that, in the politics of the time, a demagogue who gets into the Oval Office is hard to get out.

Bob Bauer
Donald Trump’s Republican congressional allies are... (show quote)




Slatten, as usual, you are about the only never-Trumper on OPP whose posts are worthy of reading. Bauer’s article with its ire, though interesting, is misplaced. These violations have been going on since the early days of our republic. But at least he doesn’t bait Trump supporters like others on OPP.

See Andrew Jackson’s famous retort to imperious John Marshall’s decision to let him enforce it. Also remember Barack Obama said the courts had NO authority over him.

FDR pioneered the use of the IRS against opponents. JFK continued it when brother Robert ordered the IRS to audit Richard Nixon in the middle of his California gubernatorial campaign. It was a major distraction for him and he lost the election. He’d barely lost the 1960 election to John and the Kennedy’s wanted to bury him politically as John’s approval rating was declining.

If we ever held family’s business against candidates, John Kennedy would never have been elected. Papa Joe was a bootlegger and a gangster. JFK had connections with many.

Kennedy and FDR both used radio & TV re-licensing against stations that were critical of them.

Bauer’s screed falls on my deaf ears. The Democrats are setting a very low bar for the future and it is likely to explode in their faces. Rand Paul, this AMs, said that he was going to start efforts to ensure that what Schiff is doing will not happen again. What does that tell you? Rand was a late supporter of Trump.

For whatever it’s worth, I am withdrawing from participation in OPP exchanges. I can’t stand those others.




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Dec 5, 2019 08:46:29   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
Slatten, as usual, you are about the only never-Trumper on OPP whose posts are worthy of reading. Bauer’s article with its ire, though interesting, is misplaced. These violations have been going on since the early days of our republic. But at least he doesn’t bait Trump supporters like others on OPP.

See Andrew Jackson’s famous retort to imperious John Marshall’s decision to let him enforce it. Also remember Barack Obama said the courts had NO authority over him.

FDR pioneered the use of the IRS against opponents. JFK continued it when brother Robert ordered the IRS to audit Richard Nixon in the middle of his California gubernatorial campaign. It was a major distraction for him and he lost the election. He’d barely lost the 1960 election to John and the Kennedy’s wanted to bury him politically as John’s approval rating was declining.

If we ever held family’s business against candidates, John Kennedy would never have been elected. Papa Joe was a bootlegger and a gangster. JFK had connections with many.

Kennedy and FDR both used radio & TV re-licensing against stations that were critical of them.

Bauer’s screed falls on my deaf ears. The Democrats are setting a very low bar for the future and it is likely to explode in their faces. Rand Paul, this AMs, said that he was going to start efforts to ensure that what Schiff is doing will not happen again. What does that tell you? Rand was a late supporter of Trump.

For whatever it’s worth, I am withdrawing from participation in OPP exchanges. I can’t stand those others.



Slatten, as usual, you are about the only never-Tr... (show quote)


Great post. Great reminder of many things a lot of us know or knew!

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Dec 5, 2019 10:50:17   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
Slatten, as usual, you are about the only never-Trumper on OPP whose posts are worthy of reading. Bauer’s article with its ire, though interesting, is misplaced. These violations have been going on since the early days of our republic. But at least he doesn’t bait Trump supporters like others on OPP.

See Andrew Jackson’s famous retort to imperious John Marshall’s decision to let him enforce it. Also remember Barack Obama said the courts had NO authority over him.

FDR pioneered the use of the IRS against opponents. JFK continued it when brother Robert ordered the IRS to audit Richard Nixon in the middle of his California gubernatorial campaign. It was a major distraction for him and he lost the election. He’d barely lost the 1960 election to John and the Kennedy’s wanted to bury him politically as John’s approval rating was declining.

If we ever held family’s business against candidates, John Kennedy would never have been elected. Papa Joe was a bootlegger and a gangster. JFK had connections with many.

Kennedy and FDR both used radio & TV re-licensing against stations that were critical of them.

Bauer’s screed falls on my deaf ears. The Democrats are setting a very low bar for the future and it is likely to explode in their faces. Rand Paul, this AMs, said that he was going to start efforts to ensure that what Schiff is doing will not happen again. What does that tell you? Rand was a late supporter of Trump.

For whatever it’s worth, I am withdrawing from participation in OPP exchanges. I can’t stand those others.

Slatten, as usual, you are about the only never-Tr... (show quote)

I agree with Nwtk2007, a very good post by you...although it is somewhat of a rehash of what some GOP members of the House Judicial Committee said yesterday. Nothing they voiced or you write here is/was unknown to many. However, do they diminish the meaning of the old saying "two or more wrongs doesn't make it right?" I think not.

C-L, it does sadden me to read that you are leaving the forum. I have always found you to be one of the more moderate and reasonable posters. I won't be the only one to miss you.

Fare thee well, my friend, and good luck with any future endeavors.

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Dec 5, 2019 16:09:00   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
slatten49 wrote:
Thank you, Zemirah, but I am curious as to how/why Judge Napolitano was originally injected into the discussion/conversation on this thread.


They want another anti-Trump voice?

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Dec 5, 2019 16:27:29   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
"They" is not me, Lt. Rob, as I previously explained to Slatten, I didn't inject Napolitano into this forum thread, I posted his judgeship info in answer to an honest inquiry.

"Fair and balanced" left Fox long ago, as did I, and it has no welcome here.


Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
They want another anti-Trump voice?

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Dec 5, 2019 17:42:20   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
They want another anti-Trump voice?

As I explained to Zemirah, my comment to her was meant to draw out an answer to my question from Carol Kelly, who originally injected "Turkey" and "Napolitano" into the conversation of this thread. Why, I don't know. Also, who the heck is "Turkey?"

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Dec 5, 2019 17:48:23   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
I'm quite sure she meant Turley... the only honest voice participating yesterday...

I didn't watch, but I heard rumors.


slatten49 wrote:
As I explained to Zemirah, my comment to her was meant to draw out an answer to my question from Carol Kelly, who originally injected "Turkey" and "Napolitano" into the conversation of this thread. Why, I don't know. Also, who the heck is "Turkey?"

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Dec 5, 2019 18:28:47   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Zemirah wrote:
I'm quite sure she meant Turley... the only honest voice participating yesterday...

I didn't watch, but I heard rumors.

I honestly never picked up on the now obvious connection, and feel certain you are right. Mr.Turley has been a steady voice of reason for a long time, and generally appears non-partisan.

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Dec 5, 2019 18:42:50   #
dongreen76
 
slatten49 wrote:
Donald Trump’s Republican congressional allies are throwing up different defenses against impeachment and hoping that something may sell. They say that he didn’t seek a corrupt political bargain with Ukraine, but that if he did, he failed, and the mere attempt is not impeachable. Or that it is not clear that he did it, because the evidence against him is unreliable “hearsay.”

It’s all been very confusing. But the larger story — the crucial constitutional story — is not the incoherence of the president’s defense. It is more that he and his party are exposing limits of impeachment as a response to the presidency of a demagogue.

The Founders feared the demagogue, who figures prominently in the Federalist Papers as the politician who, possessing “perverted ambition,” pursues relentless self-aggrandizement “by the confusions of their country.” The last of the papers, Federalist No. 85, linked demagogy to its threat to the constitutional order — to the “despotism” that may be expected from the “victorious demagogue.” This “despotism” is achieved through systematic lying to the public, vilification of the opposition and, as James Fenimore Cooper wrote in an essay on demagogues, a claimed right to disregard “the Constitution and the laws” in pursuing what the demagogue judges to be the “interests of the people.”

Should the demagogue succeed in winning the presidency, impeachment in theory provides the fail-safe protection. And yet the demagogue’s political tool kit, it turns out, may be his most effective defense. It is a constitutional paradox: The very behaviors that necessitate impeachment supply the means for the demagogue to escape it.

As the self-proclaimed embodiment of the American popular will, the demagogue portrays impeachment deliberations as necessarily a threat to democracy, a facade for powerful interests arrayed against the people that only he represents. Critics and congressional opponents are traitors. Norms and standing institutional interests are fraudulent.

President Trump has made full use of the demagogic playbook. He has refused all cooperation with the House. He lies repeatedly about the facts, holds public rallies to spread these falsehoods and attacks the credibility, motives and even patriotism of witnesses. His mode of “argument” is purely assaultive. This is the crux of the Trump defense, and not an argument built on facts in support of a constitutional theory of the case.

Of course, all the presidents who have faced impeachment mounted a political defense, to go with their legal and constitutional case. And it is not unusual that they — and, even more vociferously, their allies — will attack the process as a means of undoing an election.

The difference in Mr. Trump’s case is not merely one of degree. Richard Nixon despised his opposition, convinced of their bad faith and implacable hatred for him. But it is hard to imagine Mr. Trump choosing (and actually meaning) these words to conclude, as Nixon did, a letter to the chair of Judiciary Committee: “[If] the committee desires further information from me … I stand ready to answer, under oath, pertinent written interrogatories, and to be interviewed under oath by you and the ranking minority member at the White House.”

Mr. Trump has instead described Adam Schiff, the chairman of the Intelligence Committee, as a “corrupt” politician who shares with other “human scum” the objective of running the “most unfair hearings in American history.”

These remarks are not merely one more instance of Mr. Trump’s failure to curb his impulses. This is his constitutional defense strategy. Mr. Trump’s White House counsel, informing the House of the president’s refusal to cooperate, declared that the impeachment process is unconstitutional and invalid — a “naked political strategy” — and advised that the president would not participate. It matters that the president’s lawyer, in a formal communication with the House, used rhetoric that might have been expected from the hardest-core political supporters. Once again, contrasts with past impeachments are illuminating. Bill Clinton’s White House counsel Charles Ruff testified before the House Judiciary Committee, pledging to “assist you in performing your constitutional duties.”

The demagogue may be boundlessly confident in his own skills and force of political personality, but he cannot succeed on those alone. He can thrive only in political conditions conducive to the effective practice of these dark arts, such as widespread distrust of institutions, a polarized polity and a fractured media environment in which it is possible to construct alternative pictures of social realities. Weak political parties now fall quickly into line with a demagogue who can bring intense pressure to bear on party officials and officeholders through his hold on “the base.” As we have seen with Mr. Trump, the demagogue can bully his party into being an instrument of his will, silencing or driving out dissenters. Republican officeholders know that Mr. Trump can take to Twitter or to Fox News or to the podium at rallies — or all of the above — to excoriate them for a weak will or disloyalty.

This is how the Republican Party has become Mr. Trump’s party. It is also why that party will not conceive of its role in impeachment as entailing a constitutional responsibility independent of the president’s political and personal interests. It has come to see those interests as indistinguishable from its own. In this way the constitutional defense of the case against Mr. Trump and the defense of his own interests become one and the same. As another fabled demagogue, Huey Long of Louisiana, famously announced: “I’m the Constitution around here now.”

The implications for the constitutional impeachment process are dire. Until Mr. Trump, modern impeachment has ended with some generally positive assessment of its legacy. Nixon’s resignation appeared to indicate that serious charges could bring the parties together in defense of the rule of law.

“The system worked” was a popular refrain, even if this was a somewhat idealized and oversimplified version of events. The Clinton impeachment suggested that the standards for an impeachable offense required a distinction between public misconduct and private morality, and Congress reclaimed its responsibility for impeachment from an independent counsel statute that was allowed to lapse.

The Trump impeachment is headed toward a very different summation. A demagogue can claim that Congress has forfeited the right to recognition of its impeachment power, then proceed to unleash a barrage of falsehoods and personal attacks to confuse the public, cow legislators and intimidate witnesses. So long as the demagogue’s party controls one of the two chambers of Congress, this strategy seems a sure bet.

When this is all over, we will not hear warm bipartisan praise for how “the system worked.” The lesson will be that, in the politics of the time, a demagogue who gets into the Oval Office is hard to get out.

Bob Bauer
Donald Trump’s Republican congressional allies are... (show quote)


And he`uh` polarizer TOO !!!

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Dec 5, 2019 19:27:47   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
slatten49 wrote:
I agree with Nwtk2007, a very good post by you...although it is somewhat of a rehash of what some GOP members of the House Judicial Committee said yesterday. Nothing they voiced or you write here is/was unknown to many. However, do they diminish the meaning of the old saying "two or more wrongs doesn't make it right?" I think not.

C-L, it does sadden me to read that you are leaving the forum. I have always found you to be one of the more moderate and reasonable posters. I won't be the only one to miss you.

Fare thee well, my friend, and good luck with any future endeavors.
I agree with Nwtk2007, a very good post by you...a... (show quote)


Thank you slatten. I'm Unwatching this thread and other than a posting response just now to PeterS, one of the liberals here that I can't stand and who is one of the reasons I'm quitting, that should be it for me.


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Dec 6, 2019 13:14:14   #
Rose Bush
 
slatten49 wrote:
Donald Trump’s Republican congressional allies are throwing up different defenses against impeachment and hoping that something may sell. They say that he didn’t seek a corrupt political bargain with Ukraine, but that if he did, he failed, and the mere attempt is not impeachable. Or that it is not clear that he did it, because the evidence against him is unreliable “hearsay.”

It’s all been very confusing. But the larger story — the crucial constitutional story — is not the incoherence of the president’s defense. It is more that he and his party are exposing limits of impeachment as a response to the presidency of a demagogue.

The Founders feared the demagogue, who figures prominently in the Federalist Papers as the politician who, possessing “perverted ambition,” pursues relentless self-aggrandizement “by the confusions of their country.” The last of the papers, Federalist No. 85, linked demagogy to its threat to the constitutional order — to the “despotism” that may be expected from the “victorious demagogue.” This “despotism” is achieved through systematic lying to the public, vilification of the opposition and, as James Fenimore Cooper wrote in an essay on demagogues, a claimed right to disregard “the Constitution and the laws” in pursuing what the demagogue judges to be the “interests of the people.”

Should the demagogue succeed in winning the presidency, impeachment in theory provides the fail-safe protection. And yet the demagogue’s political tool kit, it turns out, may be his most effective defense. It is a constitutional paradox: The very behaviors that necessitate impeachment supply the means for the demagogue to escape it.

As the self-proclaimed embodiment of the American popular will, the demagogue portrays impeachment deliberations as necessarily a threat to democracy, a facade for powerful interests arrayed against the people that only he represents. Critics and congressional opponents are traitors. Norms and standing institutional interests are fraudulent.

President Trump has made full use of the demagogic playbook. He has refused all cooperation with the House. He lies repeatedly about the facts, holds public rallies to spread these falsehoods and attacks the credibility, motives and even patriotism of witnesses. His mode of “argument” is purely assaultive. This is the crux of the Trump defense, and not an argument built on facts in support of a constitutional theory of the case.

Of course, all the presidents who have faced impeachment mounted a political defense, to go with their legal and constitutional case. And it is not unusual that they — and, even more vociferously, their allies — will attack the process as a means of undoing an election.

The difference in Mr. Trump’s case is not merely one of degree. Richard Nixon despised his opposition, convinced of their bad faith and implacable hatred for him. But it is hard to imagine Mr. Trump choosing (and actually meaning) these words to conclude, as Nixon did, a letter to the chair of Judiciary Committee: “[If] the committee desires further information from me … I stand ready to answer, under oath, pertinent written interrogatories, and to be interviewed under oath by you and the ranking minority member at the White House.”

Mr. Trump has instead described Adam Schiff, the chairman of the Intelligence Committee, as a “corrupt” politician who shares with other “human scum” the objective of running the “most unfair hearings in American history.”

These remarks are not merely one more instance of Mr. Trump’s failure to curb his impulses. This is his constitutional defense strategy. Mr. Trump’s White House counsel, informing the House of the president’s refusal to cooperate, declared that the impeachment process is unconstitutional and invalid — a “naked political strategy” — and advised that the president would not participate. It matters that the president’s lawyer, in a formal communication with the House, used rhetoric that might have been expected from the hardest-core political supporters. Once again, contrasts with past impeachments are illuminating. Bill Clinton’s White House counsel Charles Ruff testified before the House Judiciary Committee, pledging to “assist you in performing your constitutional duties.”

The demagogue may be boundlessly confident in his own skills and force of political personality, but he cannot succeed on those alone. He can thrive only in political conditions conducive to the effective practice of these dark arts, such as widespread distrust of institutions, a polarized polity and a fractured media environment in which it is possible to construct alternative pictures of social realities. Weak political parties now fall quickly into line with a demagogue who can bring intense pressure to bear on party officials and officeholders through his hold on “the base.” As we have seen with Mr. Trump, the demagogue can bully his party into being an instrument of his will, silencing or driving out dissenters. Republican officeholders know that Mr. Trump can take to Twitter or to Fox News or to the podium at rallies — or all of the above — to excoriate them for a weak will or disloyalty.

This is how the Republican Party has become Mr. Trump’s party. It is also why that party will not conceive of its role in impeachment as entailing a constitutional responsibility independent of the president’s political and personal interests. It has come to see those interests as indistinguishable from its own. In this way the constitutional defense of the case against Mr. Trump and the defense of his own interests become one and the same. As another fabled demagogue, Huey Long of Louisiana, famously announced: “I’m the Constitution around here now.”

The implications for the constitutional impeachment process are dire. Until Mr. Trump, modern impeachment has ended with some generally positive assessment of its legacy. Nixon’s resignation appeared to indicate that serious charges could bring the parties together in defense of the rule of law.

“The system worked” was a popular refrain, even if this was a somewhat idealized and oversimplified version of events. The Clinton impeachment suggested that the standards for an impeachable offense required a distinction between public misconduct and private morality, and Congress reclaimed its responsibility for impeachment from an independent counsel statute that was allowed to lapse.

The Trump impeachment is headed toward a very different summation. A demagogue can claim that Congress has forfeited the right to recognition of its impeachment power, then proceed to unleash a barrage of falsehoods and personal attacks to confuse the public, cow legislators and intimidate witnesses. So long as the demagogue’s party controls one of the two chambers of Congress, this strategy seems a sure bet.

When this is all over, we will not hear warm bipartisan praise for how “the system worked.” The lesson will be that, in the politics of the time, a demagogue who gets into the Oval Office is hard to get out.

Bob Bauer
Donald Trump’s Republican congressional allies are... (show quote)


So...in essnce, you're saying President Donald Trump has united the "ordinary people" who, until now, have been the minority...correct? And because he appeals to our 'never before heard' voices, he needs to be impeached to silence us. Not going to happen. We may not all have college degrees with large incomes but you can place a large bet on the fact that most (if not all) of us possess a wealth of common sense.

Those who think we are underlings, because we don't share the same beliefs, are the nitwits. They will never get over the fact that the "ordinary people" won the election and they, "the superior ones" did not. They don't understand that many of those who they think are "superior ones", secretly support Pres. Trump. It's easier to support him in private than to listen to the constant mantra of "you are wrong and I am here to enlighten you".
I'm proud to say I'm an ordinary person!!!

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