First, here is the corroboration of what I've said for years...that the religiously oriented right treats politics just like they do their religious beliefs, they form their beliefs and no degree of truth or facts will change those beliefs.

This list was a well written list of the tactics a believer uses when defending beliefs...

...the "leftist" is debating facts as opposed to beliefs, and facts are always subject to being corrected, especially with an incoming array of constantly growing facts.

The right winger on the other hand, forms beliefs immediately upon a scandal breaking, these beliefs being formed along party line loyalties. They will immediately pronounce it as fake news drummed up by a deep state and promoted by a corrupt and fake news...of course Hannity and others at FOX will provide the rhetoric and talking points that will prevail even though new facts constantly emerge. No facts, no matter how well sourced or corroborated will detract from the original beliefs.

I could debate you on your facts, but it would be to no avail. One question for you. Have you ever listened to Hannity and ever checked if his facts are proven or not proven? He states whether, what he has heard has been substantiated or not and only reports what he has heard from a number of sources. When he has seen proof of what he has been reporting he then states it as a fact. The information has to be from reliable sources. Yet you and many others on the far left only believe what the MSM and the Dems and unnamed people say the truth is, without question and then proceed to pass on what has not been substantiated. Just my opinion and not that of the left.

You start by making a rather profound religious or political statement to a Leftist. The Leftist may well respond in one of these modes:

1. Agreement (But don't hold your breath!)

2. Flatout disagrees. (Rather likely!)

3. Ignores you. ( Possible)

4. Finds some insignificant textual, grammatical, or factual issue and blasts you for it. (Often used)

5. Changes the subject into his favorite idea set. (Often used)

6. Asks you for references, then critiques them as biased. (Sometimes used)

7. Starts denigrating you for being shallow, stupid, crazy or simply ignorant. (Very often used!)

8. Makes a counter argument that violates your principles.
(Often used!)

9. Uses a logical fallacy to rebut your statement that is hard to unravel in real time. (A bit more sophisticated)

10. Finds some loosely organized argument that expands the scope of the issue enormously to confuse you. (Often)

11. Uses some other tactic or phraseology designed to put you down, or prove you wrong from his point of view. (Possibly)

12. Combines two or more of the above. (Highly likely)

All of which leads to a non-debate on the original statement's merits and the Leftist stands there with a smirk on his face. (The late Alan Colmes was a master of numbers 9., 10., 11., and 12.)

Obviously, there are other people than Leftists that use these kinds of debate or discussion tricks.

For certain there are other tactics Leftists use, and it would be a service to sanity if they were also documented on OPP.

(When the Leftist initiates the debate and you make a counter response, you are mostly back at the start, and the nefarious tactics begin!)

I used many of these in Mensa, they work unless the other knows them too. Here I've seen a very sneaky, duplicitous way that the left has for debating. First, they seem to have a "knowledge" an incorrect one of you. Defend yourself? No, that's playing into their game. Simply ignore works better. The second is their spelling is so horrible that you think a third grader wrote their post. Do you let that interfere? No, just keep on. Finally, their parroting what you know are talking points from CNN or MSNBC, one of those. No hope, so just go on your way their mind is closed.

First, here is the corroboration of what I've said for years...that the religiously oriented right treats politics just like they do their religious beliefs, they form their beliefs and no degree of truth or facts will change those beliefs.

This list was a well written list of the tactics a believer uses when defending beliefs...

...the "leftist" is debating facts as opposed to beliefs, and facts are always subject to being corrected, especially with an incoming array of constantly growing facts.

The right winger on the other hand, forms beliefs immediately upon a scandal breaking, these beliefs being formed along party line loyalties. They will immediately pronounce it as fake news drummed up by a deep state and promoted by a corrupt and fake news...of course Hannity and others at FOX will provide the rhetoric and talking points that will prevail even though new facts constantly emerge. No facts, no matter how well sourced or corroborated will detract from the original beliefs.