nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Oh the hypocrisy of the left, who seem to think that the ends justify the means.

As an honest man, slatten, do you honestly believe Schiff when he says he doesn't know the whistle blower or who it is? Vindman?

As an honest man do you honestly not see the potential for corruption in the Biden/Burisma connection? As was said on Chris Wallace's show this morning, the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, if you don't look.

Also as an honest man, do you not see that Trump could actually be interested in uncovering corruption rather than getting dirt on a political opponent?

Going back to the Kavanaugh hearings, do you, as an honest man, actually think all those victims of abuse by Kavanaugh were real when not one corroborated any of the others??

Back to the quid pro quo, as an honest man, do you honestly think there truly was when the only "evidence" is what people thought or assumed to be or understood to be but not a single one can say that Trump articulated that to them; when not a person on the planet can say Trump told them he wanted the investigations in exchange for the military aid?

As an honest man I will say that I too, think Trump wanted the investigations in exchange for the military aid to a degree, but it was released and we have nothing, although in Ukraine there has been a criminal referral of Hunter Biden and Burisma to their version of their investigative/legal agencies. So, it would appear that Ukraine actually got the message as well as they got their military aid. And in the US we are now going to investigate the very same thing with a treaty of information exchange/cooperation fully in place.

But again, do I, as an honest man, see this as getting dirt on a political opponent or investigating corruption where there happens to be a political opponent? I certainly could not see that Trump would be blind to the fact that the corruption he wants investigated is bad for the democratic party. Certainly not, but does that mean it should not be pursued? Do we give a pass to presidential candidates?? Would that be in the best interest of the country or honest with the American people?

I think my point has been made here. The funny thing to me is taht the democratic party could actually beat Trump on a combination of issues AND character but they, themselves, lack the character to rise to that challenge. Instead, they have gone to the extreme left and have, in fact, attacked those of their own who espouse more traditional democratic values.

Trump can be impeached but not unseated. That's a fact. There is corruption here that needs to be rooted out. That's a fact. It's time to do that, rather than continue this circus charade. Amazing as it sounds, Trump has the high ground on this and people are seeing more and more who and what the democratic party is about; they see Schiff and like me, that is all they need.

emarine

How about honesty based on fact of law & not politically bias opinion or pure BS conspiracy speculation ... I think it would be refreshing...

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Specify.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Specifics, huh?

AP FACT CHECK: Trump takes falsehoods to a youth audience
By HOPE YEN and CALVIN WOODWARDJuly 23, 2019

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump on Tuesday told young people a number of falsehoods he’s been relating to adults for months and took a misleading swipe at the female Democratic lawmakers he’s trying to turn into foils.
A sampling of his remarks at a Turning Point USA gathering of conservative youth:
Full Coverage: AP Fact Check
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TRUMP, on Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York: “She called our country and our people garbage. She said garbage. That’s worse than deplorable. Remember deplorable?”
THE FACTS: Ocasio-Cortez did not label people “garbage.” She did use that term, somewhat indirectly, to describe the state of the country.
Arguing for a liberal agenda at a South by Southwest event in March, she said the U.S. shouldn’t settle for centrist policies because they would produce only marginal improvement — “10% better” than the “garbage” of where the country is now.
Trump has been assailing Ocasio-Cortez and three other liberal Democratic women of color in the House for more than a week, ever since he posted tweets saying they should “go back” to their countries, though all are U.S. citizens and all but one was born in the U.S.
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TRUMP: “And when they’re saying all of this stuff, and then those illegals get out and vote — because they vote anyway. Don’t kid yourself, those numbers in California and numerous other states, they’re rigged. You got people voting that shouldn’t be voting. They vote many times, not just twice, not just three times. They vote — it’s like a circle. They come back, they put a new hat on. They come back, they put a new shirt. And in many cases, they don’t even do that. You know what’s going on. It’s a rigged deal.”
THE FACTS: Trump has produced no evidence of widespread voting fraud by people in the country illegally or by any group of people.
He tried, but the commission he appointed on voting fraud collapsed from infighting and from the refusal of states to cooperate when tapped for reams of personal voter data, like names, partial Social Security numbers and voting histories. Studies have found only isolated cases of voter fraud in recent U.S. elections and no evidence that election results were affected. Loyola Law School professor Justin Levitt found 31 cases of impersonation fraud, for example, in about 1 billion votes cast in elections from 2000 to 2014.
Trump has falsely claimed that 1 million fraudulent votes were cast in California and cited a Texas state government report that suggested 58,000 people in the country illegally may have cast a ballot at least once since 1996. But state elections officials subsequently acknowledged serious problems with the report, as tens of thousands on the list were actually U.S. citizens.
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TRUMP: “We have the best economy in history.”
THE FACTS: No matter how often he repeats this claim, the economy is nowhere near the best in the country’s history.
In fact, in the late 1990s, growth topped 4% for four straight years, a level it has not reached on an annual basis under Trump. Growth reached 7.2% in 1984. The economy grew 2.9% in 2018 — the same pace it reached in 2015 under President Barack Obama — and simply hasn’t hit historically high growth rates.
The economy is now in its 121st month of growth, making it the longest expansion in history. Most of that took place under Obama.
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TRUMP: “The best employment numbers in history.”
THE FACTS: They are not the best ever.
The 3.7% unemployment rate in the latest report is not a record low. It’s near the lowest level in 50 years, when it was 3.5%. The U.S. also had lower rates than now in the early 1950s. And during three years of World War II, the annual rate was under 2%.
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TRUMP: “The most people working, almost 160 million, in the history of our country.”
THE FACTS: Yes, but that’s only because of population growth.
A more relevant measure is the proportion of Americans with jobs, and that is still far below record highs.
According to Labor Department data, 60.6% of people in the United States 16 years and older were working in June. That’s below the all-time high of 64.7% in April 2000, though higher than the 59.9% when Trump was inaugurated in January 2017.
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TRUMP, on his efforts to help veterans: “I got Choice.”
THE FACTS: He is not the president who “got” the Veterans Choice program, which gives veterans the option to see private doctors outside the Department of Veterans Affairs medical system at government expense.
Obama got it. Congress approved the program in 2014, and Obama signed it into law. Trump expanded it.
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TRUMP: “We’re paying close to 100% on NATO.”
THE FACTS: The U.S. is not “paying close to 100%” of the price of protecting Europe.
NATO has a shared budget to which each member makes contributions based on the size of its economy. The United States, with the biggest economy, pays the biggest share, about 22%.
Four European members — Germany, France, Britain and Italy — combined pay nearly 44% of the total. The money, about $3 billion, runs NATO’s headquarters and covers certain other civilian and military costs.
Defending Europe involves far more than that fund. The primary cost of doing so would come from each member country’s military budget, as the alliance operates under a mutual defense treaty.
The U.S. is the largest military spender, but others in the alliance have armed forces, too. The notion that almost all costs would fall to the U.S. is false. In fact, NATO’s Article 5, calling for allies to act if one is attacked, has only been invoked once, and it was on behalf of the U.S., after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
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emarine

You want to support trump fine... but supporting the lies is another issue... this entire trump Ukraine issue is based on a total trump lie involving crowd strike moving a server to Ukraine trying to take the heat off Putin for election hacking in 16... just how much BS can you swallow...

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

False claims, factual flubs, lies. Y'all should do some reflective fact checking. You can start with Schiff.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

That's ok, the entire Russian witch hunt was based upon lies. Schiff said he'd seen unequivocal evidence that Trump colluded with Russia. LOL!

As for Ukraine, the one hacker was have in custody who claims to have done some of the hacking is from Romania. Fact is, the FBI, CIA and all other US intel agencies just took the word of Crowdstrike and didn't even look. We KNOW for a fact that the leaders of the FBI and CIA were in it for Hillary, trying to help her and hurt Trump.

The only thing we have that is definitely Russian are social media pages which also helped Hillary; those Russians were just disrupting and in actuality, making internet money with click bait, nothing more.

So, if you are correct, it shouldn't be a problem actually looking into it since it was never actually looked into.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

I agree! Your last drink was a whole five minutes ago. 😬

Mikeyavelli

Wouldn't it be reasonable to investigate a politician who became a multi millionaire in office rather than a billionaire who takes no salary while in office?

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

My thoughts exactly!

Dwight Logan

Remember, O Prefect One, there is a very slight chance that a democrat could possibly have told a lie. When you negativly point your finger at others you are also pointing three fingers back at yourself and one at God.

moldyoldy

Billionaire, doubtful.
Takes no salary, no, he takes it, donated it , to use as a tax write off.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

Which one of the 3 monkeys are you? Excuse me. As a die hard Progressive you, hear, speak and see nothing but evil!

moldyoldy

Trump tells obvious, easily debunked lies, but he knows his minions will never question him.


Trump claims that he opened a new Apple plant in Texas, it opened in 2013.
https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-tim-cook-apple-texas-plant-opening-lie-2019-11

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Trump bloviates and exaggerates. You leftist tell true lies that are hard to fact check. Trump isn't devious. Y'all are.