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Oct 31, 2019 22:01:59   #
Singularity
 
proud republican wrote:
Read JFLORIO's original post!!! It has the link!!!!


This, quoted below, comes up. The link won't load. Asks me to sign in at Fox news.com...

I'm interested in the sequence of events and motives regarding the subsequent act in 2012. Was it in response to Obama's failure? Was it passed by Democrats, Republicans or bipartisan?

Those were the issues I did not research.

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Obama Administration fired whistleblower who exposed the Fast and Furious scandal

1. The Obama Administration fired the ATF whistleblower who exposed the Fast and Furious scandal. 06/28/2011
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Nov 1, 2019 07:51:44   #
MaryGrace Loc: New England
 
emarine wrote:
I don't hate trump... far from it... I just think he's an unethical spoiled brat who is totally full of himself... but he can be very entertaining while public speeking...


Not to everyone !

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Nov 1, 2019 09:28:13   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
JFlorio wrote:
Does this unwritten rule just apply to whistleblower’s who accuse Republicans?

https://www.strike-back-now.info/2019/09/obama-administration-fired.html?m=1


It's a written rule..................called the law.

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Nov 1, 2019 11:08:06   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
lpnmajor wrote:
It's a written rule..................called the law.


So quit changing the rules. I’m glad you agreed. The whistleblower is not a whistleblower. Second hand or hearsay. I’m sure you won’t admit it. Like everything else you talk about you put your partisan spin on it.

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Nov 1, 2019 11:37:16   #
Singularity
 
JFlorio wrote:
So quit changing the rules. I’m glad you agreed. The whistleblower is not a whistleblower. Second hand or hearsay. I’m sure you won’t admit it. Like everything else you talk about you put your partisan spin on it.


No requirement exists that whistleblowers provide firsthand knowledge of alleged wrong-doings.

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Nov 1, 2019 11:49:13   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Singularity wrote:
No requirement exists that whistleblowers provide firsthand knowledge of alleged wrong-doings.


If it is to be believed it sure is. Goes to credibility. Try it in a court of law and see how far you get. The more that comes out the more obvious it is that this complaint is purely political. Like I said before; all you keyboard lawyers can put your money where your mouths are and get 3:1 odds from me. I know some law (paralegal certificate) and I know politics, so step up to the plate.

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Nov 1, 2019 11:49:25   #
woodguru
 
JFlorio wrote:
Does this unwritten rule just apply to whistleblower’s who accuse Republicans?

https://www.strike-back-now.info/2019/09/obama-administration-fired.html?m=1

There is no need to know the identity of a whistleblower, they are only tipping off something they have an awareness of either first hand or from someone else who expressed concerns. Their report is handed off to an authority that is the one who looks at it, looks for the corroborating evidence, talks to others in positions to have seen the violations.

When that IG calls in people for questioning that are in a position to know what the problem behavior or policies are, they either tell the truth or they become part of an obstruction and complicit in the problem itself....

The point being that the whistleblower is out of it when problems are verified, there is no need to know who they are or really even what they heard or how.

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Nov 1, 2019 11:54:50   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
woodguru wrote:
There is no need to know the identity of a whistleblower, they are only tipping off something they have an awareness of either first hand or from someone else who expressed concerns. Their report is handed off to an authority that is the one who looks at it, looks for the corroborating evidence, talks to others in positions to have seen the violations.

When that IG calls in people for questioning that are in a position to know what the problem behavior or policies are, they either tell the truth or they become part of an obstruction and complicit in the problem itself....

The point being that the whistleblower is out of it when problems are verified, there is no need to know who they are or really even what they heard or how.
There is no need to know the identity of a whistle... (show quote)


Try to keep up troll. I can't stand anything about your lying ways so posting to me is a waste of time. However; since you are one of the more obvious trolls on here take my bet or shut the hell up.

https://oig.justice.gov/hotline/whistleblower-protection.htm

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Nov 1, 2019 12:05:43   #
Singularity
 
JFlorio wrote:
If it is to be believed it sure is. Goes to credibility. Try it in a court of law and see how far you get. The more that comes out the more obvious it is that this complaint is purely political. Like I said before; all you keyboard lawyers can put your money where your mouths are and get 3:1 odds from me. I know some law (paralegal certificate) and I know politics, so step up to the plate.


Information about suspected wrongdoing in a situation where the individual has no authority or safety to investigate on their own is to be offered and accepted on the basis of an implied critical need for additional investigation re validity.

Consider also the concept of a "confidential informant," when investigating a mundane crime. Frequently "tips" requiring further investigation can be checked out by authorities to reveal additional prosecutable information of value that the tipster may not have known or that could not have been accessed if no one had looked where the informant pointed.

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Nov 1, 2019 12:11:03   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Singularity wrote:
Information about suspected wtongdoing in a situation where the individual has no authority or safety to investigate on their own is to be offered and accepted on the basis of an implied critical need for additional investigation re validity.

Consider also the concept of a "confidential informant," when investigating a mundane crime. Frequently "tips" requiring further investigation can be checked out by authorities to reveal additional prosecutable information of value that the tipster may not have known or that could not have been accessed if no one had looked where the informant pointed.
Information about I suspected wtongdoing /I in a... (show quote)


The word here is protocol. He did not follow the established rules. Since then the transcript of the call has come out with other witnesses to this phone call. I see nothing at all criminal in it. Was it proper, hell I don't know. Impeachable? Absolutely not. This is purely political and designed by the biggest leaker in the House. The disgusting Adam Schiff. I believe Pelosi has played this brilliantly by making Schiff the center of attention. If he succeeds she can crow that she put Schiff in charge. If it blows up, like I believe it will, she can point at Schiff. Don't much care for Nancy but I admire her political skills.

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Nov 1, 2019 12:21:57   #
Singularity
 
JFlorio wrote:
Try to keep up troll. I can't stand anything about your lying ways so posting to me is a waste of time. However; since you are one of the more obvious trolls on here take my bet or shut the hell up.

https://oig.justice.gov/hotline/whistleblower-protection.htm


I'm not taking any bets from a person who, like you, claims to be a Christian, then offers a wager. You'll just subsequently declare Christians aren't allowed to wager, repent and then back out!


Consider:
Gambling is motivated by greed. Let’s be honest and admit that greed lies at the heart of all gambling. The desire to get something for nothing is really another name for covetousness (Exod. 20:17; Prov. 21:25-26).

I know some Wiccan spells I could sell you to employ next time your faith in Trump/God flails. They aren't magic any more than your religion has any magic.

They work just like your faith or your fear based wager, to bolster ego and boost faith in a desired outcome.

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Nov 1, 2019 12:29:43   #
woodguru
 
JFlorio wrote:
So quit changing the rules. I’m glad you agreed. The whistleblower is not a whistleblower. Second hand or hearsay. I’m sure you won’t admit it. Like everything else you talk about you put your partisan spin on it.

When hearsay results in finding out about violations and evidence is in effect, does it matter? What is it you think, if there is a fault with the whistleblower we will disregard where we are at now? It doesn't matter if a janitor heard some water cooler talk and reported it, the information was golden and we are deep into a serious violation of ethics and abuses of power.

Put your energy into what trump did and the case as it is evolving, what he did was wrong and everyone in the state department knew it, and people are not traitors or slime because they call it the way they see it.

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Nov 1, 2019 12:36:51   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Singularity wrote:
I'm not taking any bets from a person who, like you, claims to be a Christian, then offers a wager. You'll just subsequently declare Christians aren't allowed to wager, repent and then back out!


Consider:
Gambling is motivated by greed. Let’s be honest and admit that greed lies at the heart of all gambling. The desire to get something for nothing is really another name for covetousness (Exod. 20:17; Prov. 21:25-26).

I know some Wiccan spells I could sell you to employ next time your faith in Trump/God flails. They aren't magic any more than your religion has any magic.

They work just like your faith or your fear based wager, to bolster ego and boost faith in a desired outcome.
I'm not taking any bets from a person who, like yo... (show quote)


Not in my case. I don't need the money if I win. It's just a way to end the un-winnable argument since it's all differing opinions. Why would you throw my religion in this conversation? smoke some more dope and have a stoned and relaxing weekend.

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Nov 1, 2019 12:41:55   #
woodguru
 
JFlorio wrote:
The word here is protocol. He did not follow the established rules. Since then the transcript of the call has come out with other witnesses to this phone call. I see nothing at all criminal in it. Was it proper, hell I don't know. Impeachable? Absolutely not. This is purely political and designed by the biggest leaker in the House. The disgusting Adam Schiff. I believe Pelosi has played this brilliantly by making Schiff the center of attention. If he succeeds she can crow that she put Schiff in charge. If it blows up, like I believe it will, she can point at Schiff. Don't much care for Nancy but I admire her political skills.
The word here is protocol. He did not follow the e... (show quote)

A "transcript" did not come out, there was a much more detailed memo, not an actual transcript that was secured in a super classified server that is what needs to be revealed to the public. Once again, the phone call is being cited like it is the only relevant thing. This is about months of Trump delaying crucial and time sensitive military aid that congress understood the nature of, and Trump abused his power, meaning withheld this military aid when not even a president actually has the authority to do so when Congress says otherwise. He was violating state procedures using his personal attorney and instructing him to work outside of official channels, which was one of the violations people like Yovanovitch was officially objecting to.

And behind it all is Putin, who was done a favor by Trump obstructing military aid that would have been devastating to Russian tanks, that crosses the lines of treason. This investigating Biden thing is a smoke screen for the real agenda that was going on, which was to get the Ukraine to provide information that vindicated Russia for meddling and put the blame on the Ukraine, making them and not Russia the bad guys. Putin did not want the US providing military aid to the Ukraine, I want to see the super secret hidden memos on Trump talks with Putin right around the time of Trump's perfect phone call.

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Nov 1, 2019 12:42:43   #
Singularity
 
JFlorio wrote:
Not in my case. I don't need the money if I win. It's just a way to end the un-winnable argument since it's all differing opinions. Why would you throw my religion in this conversation? smoke some more dope and have a stoned and relaxing weekend.


So you need the wager to bolster your failing faith. Because money is riding on the outcome is not likely to quell further comment, rather turn it into a horse race, with associated interested commentary.

That's where your religion comes in. You bring it in. Religion is just a way to get something from nothing, unearned.

Faith, the ultimate cheat code, substituted for rational knowledge, to bolster confidence in ones "rights and righteousness."

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