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Oct 23, 2019 15:54:47   #
Pariahjf
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Swap Democrats and Republicans, and this reads the same way.

When are you folks going to wake up to the fact that it's Democrats AND Republicans screwing everything up?


EXACTLY!!!!

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Oct 23, 2019 17:18:45   #
Seth
 
Noraa wrote:
You mean lynched don't you?


Ooops, good point. I know a few nice,big oak trees with sturdy branches....

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Oct 23, 2019 17:31:42   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Swap Democrats and Republicans, and this reads the same way.

When are you folks going to wake up to the fact that it's Democrats AND Republicans screwing everything up?


The Democrats have slide so far left as to be hardened communist in their rhetoric the Republicans have sat on their butts but I just read THEY finally grew a pair and stormed the democratic inquiry and insisted on an open inquiry for them and the public they were tired of their hiding what they were doing. The Dems said they were going to share the information. I've heard that their questioning is sort of pushing people to say what they want them to

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Oct 23, 2019 17:35:00   #
woodguru
 
elcobre wrote:

Now that they are attacking Trump in foreign policy, and as always; for political reasons, and hazy allegations, because although it may seem and may be "a mistake" because of the manner and timing that Trump announces the withdrawal from Syria, however, and despite strong criticism from some Republicans (instead of support) still, Trump is not only correct, but he has the guts and vision that others don't have!

Trump is being attacked on foreign policy not for political reasons, but because he is utterly ignorant and clueless about any foreign affairs...

he refuses to listen to advisers, and if he tried to his attention span is so short that it has become a joke.

When out intelligence services try to tell him urgently needed information, it is rejected if it doesn't fit his limited views. He is much more prone to consulting with whatever king or dictator he is dealing with and insisting to our intelligence that they are wrong as he takes Putin or Erdogan's word and advice.

Those who believe Trump is operating with some sense of courage and brilliance are as clueless as Trump is.

Syria could have been pulled out of, but in an organized manner that imparted a different degree of balance. US bases could have been sold to Russia rather than been abandoned in disorder. Those supporting Trump and blathering about wisdom or bravery are simply doing what everyone who still supports trump does, agreeing with whatever he does.

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Oct 23, 2019 17:39:09   #
Seth
 
Pariahjf wrote:
Thought the $1.7 billion was for the 35 years of interest??


Did the Iranian "revolutionary" government offer any sort of restitution to the folks they held hostage for 444 days?

Do you have any idea what a terrifying (to most people) ordeal like that probably did to many of those hostages' minds, and how much psychiatric treatment many of them probably needed, and maybe still need? Who's paying for that, or generally for the trauma those terrorists inflicted on a lot of non-military trained clerical types? Lefties were the people who first helped lefty lawyers start an entire cottage industry suing companies and individuals based on frivolous, non-existent "trauma," but these embassy folks suffered the real thing. The same forces that held our embassy employees hostage have since been the Iranian government.

You don't believe that, if anything, whatever money we froze should go to reparations?

Probably not, since empathy doesn't enter into the Marxist doctrine you seem to see as reasonable.

Further, the money Obama gave them was used post haste to finance terrorist activities all over the Mideast and sub-Saharan Africa, destabilizing an entire region and resulting in the deaths of G-d only knows how many innocent men, women and children.

We didn't start this shindig, the Ayatollahs did, and only a total ass would think we owe those fanatic bastards a thin dime.

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Oct 23, 2019 17:42:05   #
Pariahjf
 
Seth wrote:
Did the Iranian "revolutionary" government offer any sort of restitution to the folks they held hostage for 444 days?

Do you have any idea what a terrifying (to most people) ordeal like that probably did to many of those hostages' minds, and how much psychiatric treatment many of them probably needed, and maybe still need? Who's paying for that, or generally for the trauma those terrorists inflicted on a lot of non-military trained clerical types? Your ilk were the people who first helped lefty lawyers start an entire cottage industry suing companies and individuals based on frivolous, non-existent "trauma," but these embassy folks suffered the real thing. The same forces that held our embassy employees hostage have since been the Iranian government.

You don't believe that, if anything, whatever money we froze should go to reparations?

Probably not, since empathy doesn't enter into your Marxist doctrine.

Further, the money Obama gave them was used post haste to finance terrorist activities all over the Mideast and sub-Saharan Africa, destabilizing an entire region and resulting in the deaths of G-d only knows how many innocent men, women and children.

We didn't start this shindig, the Ayatollahs did, and only a total ass would think we owe those fanatic bastards a thin dime.
Did the Iranian "revolutionary" governme... (show quote)



Show me any government that's provided restitution to foreign hostages.

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Oct 23, 2019 17:43:15   #
Pariahjf
 
Seth wrote:
Did the Iranian "revolutionary" government offer any sort of restitution to the folks they held hostage for 444 days?

Do you have any idea what a terrifying (to most people) ordeal like that probably did to many of those hostages' minds, and how much psychiatric treatment many of them probably needed, and maybe still need? Who's paying for that, or generally for the trauma those terrorists inflicted on a lot of non-military trained clerical types? Lefties were the people who first helped lefty lawyers start an entire cottage industry suing companies and individuals based on frivolous, non-existent "trauma," but these embassy folks suffered the real thing. The same forces that held our embassy employees hostage have since been the Iranian government.

You don't believe that, if anything, whatever money we froze should go to reparations?

Probably not, since empathy doesn't enter into the Marxist doctrine you seem to see as reasonable.

Further, the money Obama gave them was used post haste to finance terrorist activities all over the Mideast and sub-Saharan Africa, destabilizing an entire region and resulting in the deaths of G-d only knows how many innocent men, women and children.

We didn't start this shindig, the Ayatollahs did, and only a total ass would think we owe those fanatic bastards a thin dime.
Did the Iranian "revolutionary" governme... (show quote)


My ilk? You're wrong about that one-----you don't know anything about me.

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Oct 23, 2019 17:52:56   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
woodguru wrote:
Trump is being attacked on foreign policy not for political reasons, but because he is utterly ignorant and clueless about any foreign affairs...

he refuses to listen to advisers, and if he tried to his attention span is so short that it has become a joke.

When out intelligence services try to tell him urgently needed information, it is rejected if it doesn't fit his limited views. He is much more prone to consulting with whatever king or dictator he is dealing with and insisting to our intelligence that they are wrong as he takes Putin or Erdogan's word and advice.

Those who believe Trump is operating with some sense of courage and brilliance are as clueless as Trump is.

Syria could have been pulled out of, but in an organized manner that imparted a different degree of balance. US bases could have been sold to Russia rather than been abandoned in disorder. Those supporting Trump and blathering about wisdom or bravery are simply doing what everyone who still supports trump does, agreeing with whatever he does.
Trump is being attacked on foreign policy not for ... (show quote)


LOL! Our intel agencies have proven themselves not always trustworthy. Sorry but it's the truth. Their BS on the "Russian" hacking of the DNC computers is a prime example. They lack the expertise. They have also become political. When they disagree it's never revealed. Trump is right to follow his gut. It is what is going to get the dems and Hillary a newly ripped A-hole regarding their conspiracy to alter an American election in 2016. And don't even try to make out like the FBI hasn't been compromised.

And Syria is a no win scenario. The Kurds will have to move, period. We will not facilitate their ongoing conflict with Turkey.

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Oct 23, 2019 17:59:02   #
Seth
 
Pariahjf wrote:
Show me any government that's provided restitution to foreign hostages.


You don't think the U.S. government hasn't spent a shitpot full of money helping those former hostages get, or try to get, their lives and minds back on track?

In fact, the settlement from the U.S. government was to provide each former hostage with $444k, $10k for each day held hostage, and as far as I know, a lot of that money hasn't come through yet, all these years later -- and that doesn't include, as I said, the professional counselling and other stuff.

If Obama wanted to do something constructive with those funds instead of helping Iran spread terror and further their nuclear weapons development, he could have paid off the balance of the debt to the former hostages and reimbursed the Treasury toward the cost of our former embassy with the rest.

There is no rational argument for what he did, none, though I have learned from a lot of lefties that they can see logic, or at least "justify" it, where none exists.

The Iranian government is our sworn enemy, they are looking to complete a nuclear weapons arsenal they have long threatened to use as a first strike vehicle and they use the rest of the money they can lay hands on to wreak bloody havoc across the Middle East.

We owe them nothing.

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Oct 23, 2019 18:26:38   #
elcobre
 
Here we go again,

There was NOT torture in Guantanamo Base Prison Camp!

And again, anything can be defined as turture; If you remove the video game from your son because he didn’t make his homework, it could be defined as torture.

However, we are talking about waterboarding interrogations at Guantanamo Base done by CIA interrogators!

Those waterboarding interrogations were approved in advance by members of the democratic Party as well as Republicans, those same democrats who approved those actions against terrorists, later changed their decision because Obama accused those CIA fighters against terrorism as torturers!

They did it for their own political convenience, as well as you are doing, in their case, it is a shameful disgrace LIE!

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Oct 23, 2019 18:26:49   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
woodguru wrote:
Trump is being attacked on foreign policy not for political reasons, but because he is utterly ignorant and clueless about any foreign affairs...

he refuses to listen to advisers, and if he tried to his attention span is so short that it has become a joke.

When out intelligence services try to tell him urgently needed information, it is rejected if it doesn't fit his limited views. He is much more prone to consulting with whatever king or dictator he is dealing with and insisting to our intelligence that they are wrong as he takes Putin or Erdogan's word and advice.

Those who believe Trump is operating with some sense of courage and brilliance are as clueless as Trump is.

Syria could have been pulled out of, but in an organized manner that imparted a different degree of balance. US bases could have been sold to Russia rather than been abandoned in disorder. Those supporting Trump and blathering about wisdom or bravery are simply doing what everyone who still supports trump does, agreeing with whatever he does.
Trump is being attacked on foreign policy not for ... (show quote)


They were not our bases but Syria's and what we left was hardly worth keeping and in all his stupidity as u say (he manage to get a cease-fire)

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Oct 23, 2019 18:36:56   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
bggamers wrote:
They were not our bases but Syria's and what we left was hardly worth keeping and in all his stupidity as u say (he manage to get a cease-fire)


It is now Putins cease-fire..

Putin is very happy.. Turkey is happy.. ISIS is happy.. Syria is happy..Iran is happy

trump is happy, he is now moving US troops to guard the oil wells.. only thing he values, also now has open doors on his hotel in Turkey..

NOtice any pattern to these happy groups??? None of them are kurds or US service men..



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Oct 23, 2019 19:31:04   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
It is now Putins cease-fire..

Putin is very happy.. Turkey is happy.. ISIS is happy.. Syria is happy..Iran is happy

trump is happy, he is now moving US troops to guard the oil wells.. only thing he values, also now has open doors on his hotel in Turkey..

NOtice any pattern to these happy groups??? None of them are kurds or US service men..


Just a naysayer. I remember when Moses was leading us out of Egypt, the naysayers just bitched and bitched; the least little thing and they were ready to build a dumb golden idol and pray to that, of all things! Idiots! Never satisfied with anything!

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Oct 23, 2019 20:15:21   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Just a naysayer. I remember when Moses was leading us out of Egypt, the naysayers just bitched and bitched; the least little thing and they were ready to build a dumb golden idol and pray to that, of all things! Idiots! Never satisfied with anything!



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Oct 23, 2019 20:18:30   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Swap Democrats and Republicans, and this reads the same way.

When are you folks going to wake up to the fact that it's Democrats AND Republicans screwing everything up?


we keep asking u the same thing

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