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Diplomats describe all time low in morale at State under Trump
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Oct 22, 2019 11:14:11   #
milamber
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
"The Trump administration's perennial push for steep budget cuts, an exodus of senior staffers with decades of experience and constant allegations that agency employees represent a deep state has sent morale at the State Department to an unprecedented low."

It's called draining the swamp.



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Oct 22, 2019 11:16:00   #
milamber
 
jimpack123 wrote:
HOW CAN YOU DRAIN THE SWAMP WHEN TRUMP IS THE SWAMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


dude get a life

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Oct 22, 2019 11:20:54   #
milamber
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
IOW, as you see it, the "ship of state" should be a ponderous and very costly cargo steamer captained by despots with a conscripted crew - a monster boat of the Marx & Hegel Red Star Line that depends entirely on a ballast of bureaucrats and petty tyrants to stay afloat. This leviathan, of course, bears no resemblance to the trim, sleek, cost efficient, and speedy yacht designed and built by Madison & Co, captained and crewed by free American citizens.

FYI: Throughout our history, all policy, foreign and domestic, stems from the White House and depends on the President's ideology. Congress is one of three equal branches of our American government, it has no power to "reign" over either of the other two. The fundamental concept is separation of powers.

Those of us who have studied the history of our American government know that, over many decades, the State Department evolved into a self-serving entity with an agenda of its own. State has often butted heads with the president in setting its own foreign policies. Over time, a culture of deeply embedded bureaucrats working in foreign environments were heavily influenced by the traditions and the demands of the country in which they worked. A kind of political Stockholm Syndrome developed in which the foreign officers experienced a psychological alliance with the host country.

There is, however, a stunning contrast between the agreeable diplomatic relations of State Department officers who have worked for years in nations friendly or allied with the United States and the departure from American interests by those who work in countries that are unfriendly, even hostile, to the US.

Here’s How Much Red Tape Trump Has Cut.

It is way past time for a major dump of bureaucratic ballast, fish bait, chum for the sharks, food for the Orcas.
IOW, as you see it, the "ship of state" ... (show quote)


you are so right

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Oct 22, 2019 11:22:24   #
milamber
 
slatten49 wrote:
I'll go along with you and Bggamers on that.


me too

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Oct 22, 2019 12:35:17   #
MR Mister Loc: Washington DC
 
woodguru wrote:
Unless it's stocking the swamp with slimier creatures, which is what has happened, "Trump" people are getting rid of the best workers in agencies across the board so that the new regimes can gut their functionality.


Spreading lies is a specialty of your mob. It's not working boy.

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Oct 22, 2019 15:08:00   #
Lazzara
 
jimpack123 wrote:
HOW CAN YOU DRAIN THE SWAMP WHEN TRUMP IS THE SWAMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


👎🏼

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Oct 22, 2019 16:16:12   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
"The Trump administration's perennial push for steep budget cuts, an exodus of senior staffers with decades of experience and constant allegations that agency employees represent a deep state has sent morale at the State Department to an unprecedented low."

It's called draining the swamp.


I agree with both of you. Oh the Syria matter, you do know we never declared war? Trump isn't a trained diplomat so don't expect great diplomacy from him although we're often getting it. Many expect him to be the same kind of president...damn, I can't find an example, they all had flaws.

I was thinking about that UN piece and there's a little more to it. During his crime spree (I'm being kind) barry said something to the effect of, by 2025 the UN will be the hub of all global activity, and I plan to be in the center of it. Why they don't boot them out all over 170 countries right now is a mystery. Can we handle them? Could we handle Turkey? Same amount of 'military might.'

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Oct 22, 2019 18:01:46   #
Seth
 
slatten49 wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/diplomats-describe-all-time-low-in-morale-at-state-under-trump/ar-AAJ6GwN?ocid=spartandhp


And how many of these career diplomats would you say are likely holdovers from the stacked decks of the Kerry/Hillary State Departments?

A presidential administration has every right, given a POTUS' role in foreign diplomacy, to "clean house" and bring in people who will better represent their foreign policy goals.

Leave it to MSN to glean and cherry pick for yet another anti-Trump article.

For the umpteenth time, President Trump is a businessman, not a career politician.

Career politicians rarely get anything useful done, whereas businessmen do.

In younger years I worked in the N.Y. business world, corporate positions both on Wall Street and in retail, and I learned that one major reason N.Y. is the business/financial capital of the planet is that in order to achieve their goals, savvy corporate leaders weed out internal "resistance" and staff, or in the case of takeovers or mergers re-staff, their firms with Team Players.

The president has enough problems already with perpetual baseless attacks, "investigations" and across the board obstruction by the Democrats that he doesn't need the added headaches of disloyal diplomats to sabotage his foreign policy efforts as well.

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Oct 22, 2019 18:07:04   #
debeda
 
Seth wrote:
And how many of these career diplomats would you say are likely holdovers from the stacked decks of the Kerry/Hillary State Departments?

A presidential administration has every right, given a POTUS' role in foreign diplomacy, to "clean house" and bring in people who will better represent their foreign policy goals.

Leave it to MSN to glean and cherry pick for yet another anti-Trump article.

For the umpteenth time, President Trump is a businessman, not a career politician.

Career politicians rarely get anything useful done, whereas businessmen do.

In younger years I worked in the N.Y. business world, corporate positions both on Wall Street and in retail, and I learned that one major reason N.Y. is the business/financial capital of the planet is that in order to achieve their goals, savvy corporate leaders weed out internal "resistance" and staff, or in the case of takeovers or mergers re-staff, their firms with Team Players.

The president has enough problems already with perpetual baseless attacks, "investigations" and across the board obstruction by the Democrats that he doesn't need the added headaches of disloyal diplomats to sabotage his foreign policy efforts as well.
And how many of these career diplomats would you s... (show quote)


Well said, Seth

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Oct 22, 2019 18:26:02   #
Seth
 
debeda wrote:
Well said, Seth



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Oct 22, 2019 19:07:31   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Seth wrote:
And how many of these career diplomats would you say are likely holdovers from the stacked decks of the Kerry/Hillary State Departments?

A presidential administration has every right, given a POTUS' role in foreign diplomacy, to "clean house" and bring in people who will better represent their foreign policy goals.

Leave it to MSN to glean and cherry pick for yet another anti-Trump article.

For the umpteenth time, President Trump is a businessman, not a career politician.

Career politicians rarely get anything useful done, whereas businessmen do.

In younger years I worked in the N.Y. business world, corporate positions both on Wall Street and in retail, and I learned that one major reason N.Y. is the business/financial capital of the planet is that in order to achieve their goals, savvy corporate leaders weed out internal "resistance" and staff, or in the case of takeovers or mergers re-staff, their firms with Team Players.

The president has enough problems already with perpetual baseless attacks, "investigations" and across the board obstruction by the Democrats that he doesn't need the added headaches of disloyal diplomats to sabotage his foreign policy efforts as well.
And how many of these career diplomats would you s... (show quote)

One of the things that is coming out as insiders testify, is that there were many formal complaints to the DOJ about various violations coming from a hidden agenda surrounding Giuliani and Trump people that weren't working through official channels.

The DOJ is the other branch besides congress that has a role in oversight on the executive branch. It is not the job of the DOJ and attorney general to run interference and obstruct or block requests for investigations into abuse by the president. In fact it is the AG's responsibility to effectively look at and explore formal complaints about the president or white house.

It goes further, as a coequal branch with the executive and legislative branches, when the house takes on oversight of the president for violations, it is the responsibility of the DOJ and AG to perform as an unbiased partner with congress in investigations they are involved in. When the house specifies a list of documents they need from the DOJ that were from DOJ investigations, they should be given without bias, in fact it should be with a cooperative spirit as they are both on the same side of justice and oversight.

In fact we have an attorney general in Barr who has made no attempt to hide the fact that he views the DOJ and his job as to run interference and obstruction for the president. He has published opinions that state that it is his belief that the president can't be indicted so as far as he's concerned he can't be investigated either...proved by refusing to release documents pertaining to Mueller's report... and now refusing to cooperate with evidence in ongoing investigations such as the whistleblower report which, he tried to suppress and obstruct.

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Oct 22, 2019 19:39:25   #
Seth
 
slatten49 wrote:
One of the things that is coming out as insiders testify, is that there were many formal complaints to the DOJ about various violations coming from a hidden agenda surrounding Giuliani and Trump people that weren't working through official channels.

The DOJ is the other branch besides congress that has a role in oversight on the executive branch. It is not the job of the DOJ and attorney general to run interference and obstruct or block requests for investigations into abuse by the president. In fact it is the AG's responsibility to effectively look at and explore formal complaints about the president or white house.

It goes further, as a coequal branch with the executive and legislative branches, when the house takes on oversight of the president for violations, it is the responsibility of the DOJ and AG to perform as an unbiased partner with congress in investigations they are involved in. When the house specifies a list of documents they need from the DOJ that were from DOJ investigations, they should be given without bias, in fact it should be with a cooperative spirit as they are both on the same side of justice and oversight.

In fact we have an attorney general in Barr who has made no attempt to hide the fact that he views the DOJ and his job as to run interference and obstruction for the president. He has published opinions that state that it is his belief that the president can't be indicted so as far as he's concerned he can't be investigated either...proved by refusing to release documents pertaining to Mueller's report... and now refusing to cooperate with evidence in ongoing investigations such as the whistleblower report which, he tried to suppress and obstruct.
One of the things that is coming out as insiders t... (show quote)


The "whistleblower" report seems to have done a fair job of discrediting itself, seeing as all we know about it is that it originated with (surprise, surprise, just like every single other "charge" made against the Trump Administration) a former Hillary supporter. Further, it appears to have been drafted by a team of attorneys and, finally, Adam Schitt lied about his people not having met with (read that as coached) the "whistleblower" a week before he claimed.

Continuing, Barr and others, including Trump, as well as the American people, will be better served by prioritization: any idiot can see that the Democrats' strategy is to wear President Trump and his people down by burying them relentlessly in non-stop accusations and frivolous investigations, and the swamp holdovers at State are as much a part of that as Pelosi, Schitt & Co.

Trump, as well as the DOJ, have their jobs to do on behalf of the American people, and if the Democratic Party wants to continue trying to sabotage the administration by virtual saturation bombing, they'll just have to allow their bulls**t to stand in line.

There is a limit to how much multitasking, especially since every single previous attack on the Trump Administration has proven out as politically motivated nothingness, Barr and his department can be expected to do.

I didn't see any major rush by Democrats to "investigate" the many exponentially more questionable events, incidents and activities that occurred under the Obama Administration, nor did the media offer up much in the way of comments.

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Oct 22, 2019 19:49:34   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
slatten49 wrote:
One of the things that is coming out as insiders testify, is that there were many formal complaints to the DOJ about various violations coming from a hidden agenda surrounding Giuliani and Trump people that weren't working through official channels.

The DOJ is the other branch besides congress that has a role in oversight on the executive branch. It is not the job of the DOJ and attorney general to run interference and obstruct or block requests for investigations into abuse by the president. In fact it is the AG's responsibility to effectively look at and explore formal complaints about the president or white house.

It goes further, as a coequal branch with the executive and legislative branches, when the house takes on oversight of the president for violations, it is the responsibility of the DOJ and AG to perform as an unbiased partner with congress in investigations they are involved in. When the house specifies a list of documents they need from the DOJ that were from DOJ investigations, they should be given without bias, in fact it should be with a cooperative spirit as they are both on the same side of justice and oversight.

In fact we have an attorney general in Barr who has made no attempt to hide the fact that he views the DOJ and his job as to run interference and obstruction for the president. He has published opinions that state that it is his belief that the president can't be indicted so as far as he's concerned he can't be investigated either...proved by refusing to release documents pertaining to Mueller's report... and now refusing to cooperate with evidence in ongoing investigations such as the whistleblower report which, he tried to suppress and obstruct.
One of the things that is coming out as insiders t... (show quote)


Actually, you really don't know what is actually coming out since these are secret hearings and the only information coming out is cherry picked, twisted with an anti-Trump bias and then leaked. And if what you are claiming is actually true, then open hearings with open testimony would reveals all that and we ALL should hear about that bit of "truth," don't you think??

I don't care what anyone says, if we are getting leaked information selected by the very guys who are all self-righteous about rule of law and the Constitution, the I am not buying one iota of it and I'd say that in a later trial, if there is one, anything leaked should not be admissible as evidence in a monopoly game, much less a trial of a president. The way this is being handled is such an obvious travesty that it, in essence, spits on our beliefs/constitutional rights/god given freedoms.

No offense slatten but there is no defense for the democrats on this point. And taking into account their behaviors over the past three years, I am hoping so obvious as to be the death blow to the party, I hope they crash and burn to utter oblivion of political power/position. When this is done I hope they can't get a job and a night janitor in a court house/gov building.

Just say'in.

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Oct 22, 2019 19:56:39   #
Seth
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Actually, you really don't know what is actually coming out since these are secret hearings and the only information coming out is cherry picked, twisted with an anti-Trump bias and then leaked. And if what you are claiming is actually true, then open hearings with open testimony would reveals all that and we ALL should hear about that bit of "truth," don't you think??

I don't care what anyone says, if we are getting leaked information selected by the very guys who are all self-righteous about rule of law and the Constitution, the I am not buying one iota of it and I'd say that in a later trial, if there is one, anything leaked should not be admissible as evidence in a monopoly game, much less a trial of a president. The way this is being handled is such an obvious travesty that it, in essence, spits on our beliefs/constitutional rights/god given freedoms.

No offense slatten but there is no defense for the democrats on this point. And taking into account their behaviors over the past three years, I am hoping so obvious as to be the death blow to the party, I hope they crash and burn to utter oblivion of political power/position. When this is done I hope they can't get a job and a night janitor in a court house/gov building.

Just say'in.
Actually, you really don't know what is actually c... (show quote)



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Oct 22, 2019 20:01:23   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
slatten49 wrote:
One of the things that is coming out as insiders testify, is that there were many formal complaints to the DOJ about various violations coming from a hidden agenda surrounding Giuliani and Trump people that weren't working through official channels.

The DOJ is the other branch besides congress that has a role in oversight on the executive branch. It is not the job of the DOJ and attorney general to run interference and obstruct or block requests for investigations into abuse by the president. In fact it is the AG's responsibility to effectively look at and explore formal complaints about the president or white house.

It goes further, as a coequal branch with the executive and legislative branches, when the house takes on oversight of the president for violations, it is the responsibility of the DOJ and AG to perform as an unbiased partner with congress in investigations they are involved in. When the house specifies a list of documents they need from the DOJ that were from DOJ investigations, they should be given without bias, in fact it should be with a cooperative spirit as they are both on the same side of justice and oversight.

In fact we have an attorney general in Barr who has made no attempt to hide the fact that he views the DOJ and his job as to run interference and obstruction for the president. He has published opinions that state that it is his belief that the president can't be indicted so as far as he's concerned he can't be investigated either...proved by refusing to release documents pertaining to Mueller's report... and now refusing to cooperate with evidence in ongoing investigations such as the whistleblower report which, he tried to suppress and obstruct.
One of the things that is coming out as insiders t... (show quote)




What we are witnessing is the revival of Nixon's 'if the President does it it's not illegal'. An Executive branch unchained from the supervision of Congress or the Supreme Court is a recipe for tyranny.

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