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Diplomats describe all time low in morale at State under Trump
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Oct 21, 2019 12:07:25   #
MR Mister Loc: Washington DC
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
It is alright though if liberals are targeted---right?


Have not seen that.

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Oct 21, 2019 14:16:04   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
working class stiff wrote:
It's my hypothesis that the reason for the loyalty of the Trump base to the President is because he is delivering on one of the great goals of conservatives. Trump is destroying the power of the federal agencies. The State Department is only one of many executive branch agencies that are being hollowed out. The EPA, IRS, and other agencies have suffered the same fate. Conservatives see it as draining the swamp.

I see it differently. What we are witnessing is the dismantling of the executive branch brakes on the powers of the office of the presidency. All policy, from law enforcement to environmental protection , will stem from the White House and will depend on the President's ideology (can't think of a more subtle phrase). One of the functions of the now hollowed out bureaucracies was to provide ballast to the ship of state. That ballast is being removed and it's now possible that policy can whipsaw depending on the President's philosophy.

In that case, the only institution that will be able to reign in the Executive will be Congress. Could be that every President will face impeachment at some point during their term.

Buckle up...
It's my hypothesis that the reason for the loyalty... (show quote)
IOW, as you see it, the "ship of state" should be a ponderous and very costly cargo steamer captained by despots with a conscripted crew - a monster boat of the Marx & Hegel Red Star Line that depends entirely on a ballast of bureaucrats and petty tyrants to stay afloat. This leviathan, of course, bears no resemblance to the trim, sleek, cost efficient, and speedy yacht designed and built by Madison & Co, captained and crewed by free American citizens.

FYI: Throughout our history, all policy, foreign and domestic, stems from the White House and depends on the President's ideology. Congress is one of three equal branches of our American government, it has no power to "reign" over either of the other two. The fundamental concept is separation of powers.

Those of us who have studied the history of our American government know that, over many decades, the State Department evolved into a self-serving entity with an agenda of its own. State has often butted heads with the president in setting its own foreign policies. Over time, a culture of deeply embedded bureaucrats working in foreign environments were heavily influenced by the traditions and the demands of the country in which they worked. A kind of political Stockholm Syndrome developed in which the foreign officers experienced a psychological alliance with the host country.

There is, however, a stunning contrast between the agreeable diplomatic relations of State Department officers who have worked for years in nations friendly or allied with the United States and the departure from American interests by those who work in countries that are unfriendly, even hostile, to the US.

Here’s How Much Red Tape Trump Has Cut.

It is way past time for a major dump of bureaucratic ballast, fish bait, chum for the sharks, food for the Orcas.

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Oct 21, 2019 15:05:30   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
IOW, as you see it, the "ship of state" should be a ponderous and very costly cargo steamer captained by despots with a conscripted crew - a monster boat of the Marx & Hegel Red Star Line that depends entirely on a ballast of bureaucrats and petty tyrants to stay afloat. This leviathan, of course, bears no resemblance to the trim, sleek, cost efficient, and speedy yacht designed and built by Madison & Co, captained and crewed by free American citizens.

FYI: Throughout our history, all policy, foreign and domestic, stems from the White House and depends on the President's ideology. Congress is one of three equal branches of our American government, it has no power to "reign" over either of the other two. The fundamental concept is separation of powers.

Those of us who have studied the history of our American government know that, over many decades, the State Department evolved into a self-serving entity with an agenda of its own. State has often butted heads with the president in setting its own foreign policies. Over time, a culture of deeply embedded bureaucrats working in foreign environments were heavily influenced by the traditions and the demands of the country in which they worked. A kind of political Stockholm Syndrome developed in which the foreign officers experienced a psychological alliance with the host country.

There is, however, a stunning contrast between the agreeable diplomatic relations of State Department officers who have worked for years in nations friendly or allied with the United States and the departure from American interests by those who work in countries that are unfriendly, even hostile, to the US.

Here’s How Much Red Tape Trump Has Cut.

It is way past time for a major dump of bureaucratic ballast, fish bait, chum for the sharks, food for the Orcas.
IOW, as you see it, the "ship of state" ... (show quote)


Anarchy would be great---

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Oct 21, 2019 15:09:15   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Anarchy would be great---
Vote democrat.

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Oct 21, 2019 16:21:29   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
IOW, as you see it, the "ship of state" should be a ponderous and very costly cargo steamer captained by despots with a conscripted crew - a monster boat of the Marx & Hegel Red Star Line that depends entirely on a ballast of bureaucrats and petty tyrants to stay afloat. This leviathan, of course, bears no resemblance to the trim, sleek, cost efficient, and speedy yacht designed and built by Madison & Co, captained and crewed by free American citizens.

FYI: Throughout our history, all policy, foreign and domestic, stems from the White House and depends on the President's ideology. Congress is one of three equal branches of our American government, it has no power to "reign" over either of the other two. The fundamental concept is separation of powers.

Those of us who have studied the history of our American government know that, over many decades, the State Department evolved into a self-serving entity with an agenda of its own. State has often butted heads with the president in setting its own foreign policies. Over time, a culture of deeply embedded bureaucrats working in foreign environments were heavily influenced by the traditions and the demands of the country in which they worked. A kind of political Stockholm Syndrome developed in which the foreign officers experienced a psychological alliance with the host country.

There is, however, a stunning contrast between the agreeable diplomatic relations of State Department officers who have worked for years in nations friendly or allied with the United States and the departure from American interests by those who work in countries that are unfriendly, even hostile, to the US.

Here’s How Much Red Tape Trump Has Cut.

It is way past time for a major dump of bureaucratic ballast, fish bait, chum for the sharks, food for the Orcas.
IOW, as you see it, the "ship of state" ... (show quote)


Nope, not how I would categorize what I wrote, though I'm not surprised you would take what I wrote to that extreme.

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Oct 21, 2019 16:36:28   #
woodguru
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
"The Trump administration's perennial push for steep budget cuts, an exodus of senior staffers with decades of experience and constant allegations that agency employees represent a deep state has sent morale at the State Department to an unprecedented low."

It's called draining the swamp.

Unless it's stocking the swamp with slimier creatures, which is what has happened, "Trump" people are getting rid of the best workers in agencies across the board so that the new regimes can gut their functionality.

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Oct 21, 2019 20:10:04   #
Hug
 
woodguru wrote:
Unless it's stocking the swamp with slimier creatures, which is what has happened, "Trump" people are getting rid of the best workers in agencies across the board so that the new regimes can gut their functionality.


The best workers are no good to us if they are anti-American Socialist and Communist, which many of them must be. It appears that all the agencies are riddled with such workers.

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Oct 21, 2019 20:26:43   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
debeda wrote:
It's not alright if ANYONE in particular is targeted. Just want them to do the job they were hired for. Impartially. Blind justice and all....


At this point and time in history looking across the great divide in this country good luck with that wish but I second the desire for it

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Oct 21, 2019 20:31:45   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
woodguru wrote:
Unless it's stocking the swamp with slimier creatures, which is what has happened, "Trump" people are getting rid of the best workers in agencies across the board so that the new regimes can gut their functionality.


If you enjoyed being handed a bunch of lies and deception and taxed to living on the street as the newest crase in Cali move there. Most of us want our government to work for us not against us to help us prosper not shove us down the toilet flush us into poverty

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Oct 21, 2019 22:59:46   #
debeda
 
bggamers wrote:
At this point and time in history looking across the great divide in this country good luck with that wish but I second the desire for it
At this point and time in history looking across t... (show quote)



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Oct 21, 2019 23:01:47   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
debeda wrote:

I'll go along with you and Bggamers on that.

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Oct 21, 2019 23:04:16   #
debeda
 
slatten49 wrote:
I'll go along with you and Bggamers on that.



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Oct 22, 2019 08:39:24   #
Big Kahuna
 
slatten49 wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/diplomats-describe-all-time-low-in-morale-at-state-under-trump/ar-AAJ6GwN?ocid=spartandhp


If I worked in the State Dept as a demonrat my morale would be low too. Just knowing that Trump was weeding out the corrupt ovommit holdovers would cause me to worry about losing my job security and my cush pension for working against the American people and not supporting a duly elected President. I hear hitlery rotten clinton, Bathhouse Barry and the whole morale of the demorat party is at an all time low too knowing that their corruption is being exposed more each day.

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Oct 22, 2019 08:54:53   #
debeda
 
drlarrygino wrote:
If I worked in the State Dept as a demonrat my morale would be low too. Just knowing that Trump was weeding out the corrupt ovommit holdovers would cause me to worry about losing my job security and my cush pension for working against the American people and not supporting a duly elected President. I hear hitlery rotten clinton, Bathhouse Barry and the whole morale of the demorat party is at an all time low too knowing that their corruption is being exposed more each day.



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Oct 22, 2019 11:12:51   #
milamber
 
Hug wrote:
We don't elect Presidents to make government employees happy.


here here

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