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Oct 10, 2019 14:41:57   #
Cuda2020
 
manning5 wrote:
Whitehood

I'm beginning to get it! Someone in the CC affecrtionados group in perhaps 2006 decided several things:
1) CC is getting worse on the temperature rise side; 2) It is biased to take money from sources that want to stop the CC Movement, but we can take money from many other leftist sources; 3) We must silence the Deniers by whatever means is handy; and, 4) It is ok to fudge the data to make AGW look like a huge menace, because we want the world government to take over and run all nations to prevent CO2 from making things even worse. The trick is to scare the heck out of anyone that will listen, especially vulnerable youngsters, in order to secure their support of AGW as they grow up and vote to establish a new world order that will solve the AGW problem. Even the Willie Soons of the world must be silenced because they are a threat to the program. So we must attack them at every turn no matter how compelling their side of the story becomes. Character assassinations are a simple way to head off their impact. 5) We must maneuver so that any scientist that wants to study aspects of the environment must conform to the AGW movement or be denied research funds. 6) Every weather event should be looked at as if its cause is AGW. 7) the AGW Pseudoscientific Priesthood must be given money to further their role in promoting the ideas of AGW, and finding ways to throttle scientists that just won't follow the AGW line.
A.N. Whitehead famously said to the effect that when most scientists agree on some findings, they will ultimately be proven dead wrong.
Whitehood br br I'm beginning to get it! Someone ... (show quote)


I see, tell me, does this correlate that the earth is then really flat? Sigh LOL

The Willie Soon's don't have to be silenced, but the truth should follow them up, you seem to think they are doing us a service to mislead people.
Do you feel the same about people trying to protect the environment to then have a paid stooge come in and undo all the advances? What if this was done during the ozone crisis, acid rain, or phosphorus in the water, all these things would have been much worse at this point if we had not made our changes, and it wasn't any real great sacrifice was it, did anyone of us get inconvenienced?

Under Trump he has now deregulated car emissions, for our environment, good job, we can now increase man's co2 impact and speed things up for our grandchildren. More fires, drought, floods, tornadoes and hurricanes.

Tell me one thing, who's responsible if not us? Not the industrialists?

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Oct 10, 2019 14:47:44   #
Cuda2020
 
permafrost wrote:
You guys keep crying about the taxation.. do you have a link to that proposal?


The people who should be taxed are the very same who produced a product and are collecting the revenue for it, it only needs to be part of the cost involved, why should it be ours, though inevitably it winds up being so anyway, the dog chasing its tail. The outcome would be different if they didn't have such a monopoly on transportation, and also why they block the competition. We can have cars running almost pollution-free at this point in time, but we don't, just like we don't use trains as much as we should and we all know why don't we. With towns putting traffic lights in sync to get every single light traveling on through, using as much possible fuel as possible, serving our oil Kings, sorry, hit a pet peeve there, LOL

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Oct 10, 2019 15:11:05   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
The people who should be taxed are the very same who produced a product and are collecting the revenue for it, it only needs to be part of the cost involved, why should it be ours, though inevitably it winds up being so anyway, the dog chasing its tail. The outcome would be different if they didn't have such a monopoly on transportation, and also why they block the competition. We can have cars running almost pollution-free at this point in time, but we don't, just like we don't use trains as much as we should and we all know why don't we. With towns putting traffic lights in sync to get every single light traveling on through, using as much possible fuel as possible, serving our oil Kings, sorry, hit a pet peeve there, LOL
The people who should be taxed are the very same w... (show quote)



very good, if full accounting were required, we would soon see a reconciling for the huge cost of fossil fuel..

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Oct 10, 2019 15:26:10   #
Cuda2020
 
permafrost wrote:
very good, if full accounting were required, we would soon see a reconciling for the huge cost of fossil fuel..


I'm surprised the oil mongers aren't running to tap off all that free-flowing methane, and quit fracking.

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Oct 10, 2019 19:08:23   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
I'm not misrepresenting you, but rather not understanding your position after reading your posts. If what you say is true, then why do we all keep fighting about this? If it is a simple lack of communication than let's figure out where that problem is.

I believe chemtrails is the government experimenting with their attempts to control the weather. JMO


So the government is experimenting chemtrails from car exhaust as folks drive in winter Hmmm Verrrrry Interresstting Artie Johnson on laugh in would say !

Most folks know that the moisture in fuel will make a vapor trail when ran thru an engine this winter we once again will see them while driving down the hwy !

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Oct 10, 2019 21:22:03   #
Cuda2020
 
4430 wrote:
So the government is experimenting chemtrails from car exhaust as folks drive in winter Hmmm Verrrrry Interresstting Artie Johnson on laugh in would say !

Most folks know that the moisture in fuel will make a vapor trail when ran thru an engine this winter we once again will see them while driving down the hwy !


Yeah we know all that, guess you haven't seen some of the pics online, and they do it like crazy around me, and what the heck are you talking about car exhaust?

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Oct 10, 2019 21:23:46   #
Cuda2020
 
permafrost wrote:
very good, if full accounting were required, we would soon see a reconciling for the huge cost of fossil fuel..



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Oct 10, 2019 22:19:10   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
The people who should be taxed are the very same who produced a product and are collecting the revenue for it, it only needs to be part of the cost involved, why should it be ours, though inevitably it winds up being so anyway, the dog chasing its tail. The outcome would be different if they didn't have such a monopoly on transportation, and also why they block the competition. We can have cars running almost pollution-free at this point in time, but we don't, just like we don't use trains as much as we should and we all know why don't we. With towns putting traffic lights in sync to get every single light traveling on through, using as much possible fuel as possible, serving our oil Kings, sorry, hit a pet peeve there, LOL
The people who should be taxed are the very same w... (show quote)


When I travel I see the green lights in sync, to reduce fuel waste, and reduce travel time.

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Oct 11, 2019 08:30:41   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
Yeah we know all that, guess you haven't seen some of the pics online, and they do it like crazy around me, and what the heck are you talking about car exhaust?


Do you live in a place that has winter ?

IF so take note of what comes out out car exhaust !

Vapor from moisture in the fuel !

The same vapor that comes from fuel in airplanes !

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Oct 12, 2019 08:21:50   #
Cuda2020
 
4430 wrote:
Do you live in a place that has winter ?

IF so take note of what comes out out car exhaust !

Vapor from moisture in the fuel !

The same vapor that comes from fuel in airplanes !


Yes no kidding, I guess you didn't bother.http://www.shutterstock.com/search/chemtrails
Living between to military bases I see images like these frequently, yes they are made by airplanes.

But you're entirely correct, the government couldn't possibly be experimenting with weather control that's just absolutely ludicrous.


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Oct 12, 2019 08:23:36   #
Cuda2020
 
eagleye13 wrote:
When I travel I see the green lights in sync, to reduce fuel waste, and reduce travel time.


You've gone out beyond the city limits once again

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Oct 12, 2019 09:45:06   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
permafrost wrote:
very good, if full accounting were required, we would soon see a reconciling for the huge cost of fossil fuel..


"very good, if full accounting were required, we would soon see a reconciling for the huge cost of fossil fuel."
Perma; you should go back to a horse drawn buggy and candles.
Kerosene lamps would be to advanced, and polluting.

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Oct 12, 2019 10:26:42   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
I see, tell me, does this correlate that the earth is then really flat? Sigh LOL

The Willie Soon's don't have to be silenced, but the truth should follow them up, you seem to think they are doing us a service to mislead people.
Do you feel the same about people trying to protect the environment to then have a paid stooge come in and undo all the advances? What if this was done during the ozone crisis, acid rain, or phosphorus in the water, all these things would have been much worse at this point if we had not made our changes, and it wasn't any real great sacrifice was it, did anyone of us get inconvenienced?

Under Trump he has now deregulated car emissions, for our environment, good job, we can now increase man's co2 impact and speed things up for our grandchildren. More fires, drought, floods, tornadoes and hurricanes.

Tell me one thing, who's responsible if not us? Not the industrialists?
I see, tell me, does this correlate that the earth... (show quote)


Obviously, there are air pollutants that need to be reduced, just as we need to work on our rivers. lakes and oceans, and the land where contaminants are found. The problem is, we must be aware that we cannot rush to judgement and entertain the idea of a massive and costly undertaking, together with some sort of super government to see it along, until we have far better scientific evidence for what is needed that is fully validated and the targets are well understood.

In my opinion, the one thing to take away from Soon's work is that he shows compelling evidence that CO2 is not the culprit the AGW affecrtionados believe it is, and radiation from the sun is the fundamental culprit. If this is true and if it is verified by proper science, two things are so: 1) we don't need to spend billions or even trillions to reduce CO2 to near zero, and, 2) we definitely don't need some kind of super authority to enforce the CO2 issue and make everyone on earth toe the line to a ridiculous extent. Note the IF's!

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Oct 12, 2019 15:11:50   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
manning5 wrote:
Obviously, there are air pollutants that need to be reduced, just as we need to work on our rivers. lakes and oceans, and the land where contaminants are found. The problem is, we must be aware that we cannot rush to judgement and entertain the idea of a massive and costly undertaking, together with some sort of super government to see it along, until we have far better scientific evidence for what is needed that is fully validated and the targets are well understood.

In my opinion, the one thing to take away from Soon's work is that he shows compelling evidence that CO2 is not the culprit the AGW affecrtionados believe it is, and radiation from the sun is the fundamental culprit. If this is true and if it is verified by proper science, two things are so: 1) we don't need to spend billions or even trillions to reduce CO2 to near zero, and, 2) we definitely don't need some kind of super authority to enforce the CO2 issue and make everyone on earth toe the line to a ridiculous extent. Note the IF's!
Obviously, there are air pollutants that need to b... (show quote)


One of a few reasons farmers are seeing higher yields with higher CO2 levels increasing along with better genetics wonder how many have researched how much CO2 that a field of corn removes and put carbon back into the soil !

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Oct 12, 2019 15:24:47   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
manning5 wrote:
Obviously, there are air pollutants that need to be reduced, just as we need to work on our rivers. lakes and oceans, and the land where contaminants are found. The problem is, we must be aware that we cannot rush to judgement and entertain the idea of a massive and costly undertaking, together with some sort of super government to see it along, until we have far better scientific evidence for what is needed that is fully validated and the targets are well understood.

In my opinion, the one thing to take away from Soon's work is that he shows compelling evidence that CO2 is not the culprit the AGW affecrtionados believe it is, and radiation from the sun is the fundamental culprit. If this is true and if it is verified by proper science, two things are so: 1) we don't need to spend billions or even trillions to reduce CO2 to near zero, and, 2) we definitely don't need some kind of super authority to enforce the CO2 issue and make everyone on earth toe the line to a ridiculous extent. Note the IF's!
Obviously, there are air pollutants that need to b... (show quote)


"If this is true and if it is verified by proper science, two things are so: 1) we don't need to spend billions or even trillions to reduce CO2 to near zero, and, 2) we definitely don't need some kind of super authority to enforce the CO2 issue and make everyone on earth toe the line to a ridiculous extent. Note the IF's!"

Yep!
Understand that there are pick pockets out there, ready to pick your pocket.

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