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Sep 20, 2019 12:12:39   #
Seth
 
amadjuster wrote:
Is there anyone here who interprets speaking. in tongues?



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Sep 20, 2019 13:02:48   #
badbob85037
 
Lonewolf wrote:
And now they sit on their hands waiting for the USA to fight for them!
What's wrong with this picture are we this stupid, we don't owe these people anything!
But trumps business are so deeply embedded there he's being pressured to do something.
When they chopped up that news reporter we should have shook them off our leg like a dog gets rid of fleas !ll


Because theyr'e an ally.

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Sep 20, 2019 13:13:08   #
PeterS
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
And?

They are government agents....

Of course they are, reporting back to Donald himself. What a naive statement CD. What Trump is doing with the Saudi's is anyones guess but Jarad flys there regularly as does Ivanka (do they not have phones, do they tan themselves in Arabia instead of using tanning booths,) and of course nothing they do or say is privy to anyone but Donald himself. If they are on business for the United States then fine but if they are on business for Donald and the Trump family that is entirely something else and something that his base wouldn't care about one bit. That's the concern because conservatives don't hold Trump responsible for anything and Trump has never held himself responsible for anything either.

So when a president is allowed to do anything they want and there is no consequence to their actions that is a concern for our country, our people, and the rule of law. So, if a whistleblower speaks up--it's the whistleblower who should be suppressed--and nothing that the president was doing should be held with any legal consequence even though in this case the IG stated that the whistleblower's concern was legitimate and it was appropriate for him/her to be protected and allowed to present their concerns to congress.

So, when the Saudi's, who operate with impunity and are allowed to commit murder and there is no consequence it becomes a black mark to any and all who associate with them. So the question begged is why we should be drawn into a war simply because they are attacked--or would that even be the reason
we would be starting a war but to protect the worlds single greatest source of oil...so much for oil independence...

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Sep 20, 2019 13:21:35   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
woodguru wrote:
Kushner brokering deals


Come on Nadler. This vague BULLHARRIS hasn't pin pointed the private citizen business dealings you and woof are rambling about.

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Sep 20, 2019 13:23:16   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Lonewolf wrote:
And now they sit on their hands waiting for the USA to fight for them!
What's wrong with this picture are we this stupid, we don't owe these people anything!
But trumps business are so deeply embedded there he's being pressured to do something.
When they chopped up that news reporter we should have shook them off our leg like a dog gets rid of fleas !ll
Did you get this garbage from CNN?

The United States and Saudi Arabia established diplomatic and trade relations in 1933. The U.S. Embassy opened in Jeddah in 1944 and moved to Riyadh in 1984.

The Trump Organization has no operations in Saudi Arabia. Donald Trump has no personal business with the Saudis.

lonewolf wrote:
Yes he does kushner flys back and forth all the time so does ivanka.
Jared Kushner's visits to Saudi Arabia was part of an ongoing effort by the Trump Administration to put an end to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, where peace talks have been stalled for decades. Since Trump took office in January, Kushner and Greenblatt have been working diplomatic angles for peaceful solutions in the Middle East, meeting with leaders from Amman to Jerusalem, Ramallah, Dubai and Cairo. The White House has emphasized that peace between Israel and Palestine in a top priority for the Trump administration.

The Iranian regime is hard core Shia, the Saudi royals are secular Wahhabbis and the population is predominantly Sunni. Iran is the world premier state sponsor of terrorism. On terrorism and Iran’s targets

One of the reasons behind the Iranian regime’s increasing attempts to carry out such attacks is the rising economic and political pressure on Tehran. The US economic sanctions, as well as the financial, political and currency crises in Tehran, have inflicted significant pain on the ruling clerics.

The Iranian regime's target list is the United States, Israel, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and other Sunni Muslim countries.

The Saudis are not sitting "on their hands waiting for the USA to fight for them." SecState Pompeo is working with the Saudis to determine a realistic and effective plan to deal with Iranian aggression.

The Trump administration just established sanctions on Iran's central bank. This sanction increases the punishment of Iran's economy to the highest level ever.

President Trump's military advisors--the Combined Chiefs of Staff--are quite familiar with Sun Tsu's first principle in the Art of War--to break the enemy's will to fight without fighting. An effective way to do that is to impose powerful economic sanctions.

You have a choice, dude, either wake up and face reality or continue to allow the MSM to spoon feed you the fake news pablum.

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Sep 20, 2019 13:29:23   #
PeterS
 
badbob85037 wrote:
Because theyr'e an ally.

They're an ally? All 19 of the 911 terrorists found their roots attached to Arabia and Wahabi Islam. There was a constant flow of cash from the Saudis to terrorists in Afghanistan that only ended when Americans DEMANDED it be ended. Yes, they have allowed us a base on their soil but only because it was to their advantage not because they were one of our natural allies--they aren't--and our only interest in them is to keep the world's supply of oil, (and therefore, our supply of oil), stable. That's all.

So this is about economics and nothing more. Who we are actually protecting are all our allies who rely on oil from the middle east and specifically Saudi Arabia. So if a war is going to be fought then are our allies in Europe and other places going to fight alongside us? If yes, then we can consider a war. If no, then Saudi Arabia should be on their own.

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Sep 20, 2019 14:25:16   #
Lonewolf
 
JFlorio wrote:
Newsflash clueless. They have been fighting in Yemen. Yemen fighters are supported by guess who? Iran. Who got much of their money to buy their weapons from the Obama administration. I believe tour figure of 150 billion is wrong. Iran is Shia. Saudi's are Sunni. They hate each other. Saudi Arabia has never been truly our friend but never an all out enemy. Iran has always been our enemy (at least in recent terms) so the enemy of my enemy is our friend. Have your mommy explain that one to you. Hmm. I wonder why sales of arms to Saudi never bothered you before?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-saudi-security/obama-administration-arms-sales-offers-to-saudi-top-115-billion-report-idUSKCN11D2JQ
Newsflash clueless. They have been fighting in Yem... (show quote)


My post was not protesting arms sales to the saudis it is why they don't fight their own battle with Iran!!! They have the arms we sold them let them use them!
Let the rag heads kill themselves

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Sep 20, 2019 14:28:35   #
Lonewolf
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Jared Kushner's visits to Saudi Arabia was part of an ongoing effort by the Trump Administration to put an end to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, where peace talks have been stalled for decades. Since Trump took office in January, Kushner and Greenblatt have been working diplomatic angles for peaceful solutions in the Middle East, meeting with leaders from Amman to Jerusalem, Ramallah, Dubai and Cairo. The White House has emphasized that peace between Israel and Palestine in a top priority for the Trump administration.

The Iranian regime is hard core Shia, the Saudi royals are secular Wahhabbis and the population is predominantly Sunni. Iran is the world premier state sponsor of terrorism. On terrorism and Iran’s targets

One of the reasons behind the Iranian regime’s increasing attempts to carry out such attacks is the rising economic and political pressure on Tehran. The US economic sanctions, as well as the financial, political and currency crises in Tehran, have inflicted significant pain on the ruling clerics.

The Iranian regime's target list is the United States, Israel, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and other Sunni Muslim countries.

The Saudis are not sitting "on their hands waiting for the USA to fight for them." SecState Pompeo is working with the Saudis to determine a realistic and effective plan to deal with Iranian aggression.

The Trump administration just established sanctions on Iran's central bank. This sanction increases the punishment of Iran's economy to the highest level ever.

President Trump's military advisors--the Combined Chiefs of Staff--are quite familiar with Sun Tsu's first principle in the Art of War--to break the enemy's will to fight without fighting. An effective way to do that is to impose powerful economic sanctions.

You have a choice, dude, either wake up and face reality or continue to allow the MSM to spoon feed you the fake news pablum.
Jared Kushner's visits to Saudi Arabia was part of... (show quote)


None of our business let the rag heads kill each other

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Sep 20, 2019 15:09:48   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
PeterS wrote:
They're an ally? All 19 of the 911 terrorists found their roots attached to Arabia and Wahabi Islam. There was a constant flow of cash from the Saudis to terrorists in Afghanistan that only ended when Americans DEMANDED it be ended. Yes, they have allowed us a base on their soil but only because it was to their advantage not because they were one of our natural allies--they aren't--and our only interest in them is to keep the world's supply of oil, (and therefore, our supply of oil), stable. That's all.

So this is about economics and nothing more. Who we are actually protecting are all our allies who rely on oil from the middle east and specifically Saudi Arabia. So if a war is going to be fought then are our allies in Europe and other places going to fight alongside us? If yes, then we can consider a war. If no, then Saudi Arabia should be on their own.
They're an ally? All 19 of the 911 terrorists foun... (show quote)
That's a load of bullshit.

The founder of Al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden, was banished from Saudi Arabia in 1992 for his strident opposition to the Saudi secular government and because of their dealings with the United States. Bin Laden detested the Saudi royals' lavish lifestyle. their debauchery, their $300 million dollar yachts and villas on the French Riviera, he was particularly disturbed with American military presence in Saudi Arabia following the 1st Gulf War. Bin Laden was exiled to Sudan where he began planning his retaliation.

When the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri among others, and their supporters joined the Mujahideen to fight them. Bin Laden called on all young Arab Muslim men to join them and many of them, including young Saudis, responded. The Saudis who followed bin Laden were young men without jobs, who felt disenfranchised, and who were inspired by bin Laden's call for "Pure Islam" in their country's government. This is true for young Arabs in other Muslim countries.

Following the Soviet withdrawal from A-stan, these young Muslim fighters had no home to return to. They were men without a country. Bin Laden provided them with a home - Al Qaeda. The inspiration was to fight for Pure Islam throughout the world. Their enthusiasm to do so was almost absolute.

15 of the 20 Al Qaeda terrorists were Saudis, the others were an Egyptian who was the attack leader, a Lebanese, and two Arabs from the UAE. One of the 20 was a French citizen but he was arrested in August 2001 in Minnesota for violation of immigration law and could not participate in the attacks.

The French citizen, Zacharias Moussoui, originated the allegation that the Saudi government (the royals) helped fund bin Laden's terrorist operation, however, a 2002 joint House-Senate report contains a 28-page section on al Qaeda’s specific sources of foreign support. The leads produced by the congressional report were investigated and in the 2004 report on that investigation, no evidence was found that the Saudi government as an institution or senior Saudi officials individually funded al Qaeda.

If you want to know who funded al Qaeda this analysis will clear that up A Financial Profile of the Terrorism of Al-Qaeda and its Affiliates

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Sep 20, 2019 15:14:50   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Lonewolf wrote:
My post was not protesting arms sales to the saudis it is why they don't fight their own battle with Iran!!! They have the arms we sold them let them use them!
Let the rag heads kill themselves


And per usual your post was BS. Trump hasn’t done anything about the attacks by Iran. Looks to me like they are fighting their own battles.

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Sep 20, 2019 15:30:14   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Lonewolf wrote:
None of our business let the rag heads kill each other
Yeah, it is our business. Global Jihad is a very real threat and it comes from many Jihadist organizations, and the Islamic Regime of Iran is at the top of the list. If those bastards get their nuclear weapons operational, you'll find out just how much it is our business. If you continue to play the Ostrich with your head stuck up your, um, in the sand, you may well get a very rude awakening.

And, if Elizabeth Warren or "Plugs" Biden or any other of those spineless democrat wretches vying for POTUS ever become Commander-in-Chief, you'd best have a white flag handy 'cuz it will get real ugly. Fast.

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Sep 20, 2019 15:41:00   #
Lonewolf
 
JFlorio wrote:
And per usual your post was BS. Trump hasn’t done anything about the attacks by Iran. Looks to me like they are fighting their own battles.


well, just the other day he said "were locked and loaded" that's until Putin said no no you can't do that.

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Sep 20, 2019 15:44:42   #
Lonewolf
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Yeah, it is our business. Global Jihad is a very real threat and it comes from many Jihadist organizations, and the Islamic Regime of Iran is at the top of the list. If those bastards get their nuclear weapons operational, you'll find out just how much it is our business. If you continue to play the Ostrich with your head stuck up your, um, in the sand, you may well get a very rude awakening.

And, if Elizabeth Warren or "Plugs" Biden or any other of those spineless democrat wretches vying for POTUS ever become Commander-in-Chief, you'd best have a white flag handy 'cuz it will get real ugly. Fast.
Yeah, it is our business. Global Jihad is a very r... (show quote)


or we could simply join our allies and join back in the nuclear deal. Putin is our commander in chief capt bone spurs wasn't up to the job.

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Sep 20, 2019 16:03:01   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Lonewolf wrote:
well, just the other day he said "were locked and loaded" that's until Putin said no no you can't do that.


Another stupid childish conclusion from you.

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Sep 20, 2019 16:03:51   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Lonewolf wrote:
or we could simply join our allies and join back in the nuclear deal. Putin is our commander in chief capt bone spurs wasn't up to the job.


The nuclear deal, which I am sure you didn’t understand was never about nukes. It was about money.

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