Oldsalt wrote:
You poor dumb bastard. If they ban one gun because it looks scary, they will ban them all. There is no such thing as a compromise with these a$$holes. They won’t stop until we are disarmed. As for background checks, we already do that and they lied when they sold us that bill of goods. Supposedly every time a purchase was turned down local law was to be contacted and prosecutions were to be had...that didn’t happen. As for “Red Flag Laws” they are blatantly un Constitutional and everyone knows it. There have already been two deaths that I know of because of those laws. Magazine size limitation laws are just pure BS. The whole point of the 2nd Amendment was to keep the civilians on par with any force that might try us on...foreign or domestic. So no, there is no compromise with these a$$holes, only win or lose.
You poor dumb bastard. If they ban one gun because... (
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Oldsalt,
“You poor dumb bastard,” certain kinds of guns have been banned many time in our history and most recently since the 1930’s. Try buying a machine gun, a bazooka, an operational tank, armed jet fighter, armed naval craft, a mortar, or even a hand grenade. You can’t. So, don’t go “shooting off at the mouth” when you don’t know what you’re talking about. Currently, any firearm that is “automatic” is banned for sale to the general public without special permits and approval from the ATF.
If you want to compromise, tell the NRA to STFU and let some calm, sane discussions happen. 85-90% of the entire population wants stricter background checks, a closing of gun-show loopholes, a ban on high capacity magazines and more in the way of mental health checks. You and yours refuse to allow any discussion on those topics for FEAR of your losing any access to any kind of firearm. You’ve let the NRA scare you into believing their LIES.
And, YES, FEAR is what the NRA uses to promote the sale of guns in order to get people to buy guns. FEAR of people of color (Hispanics and blacks, mostly), and FEAR of your own government. For those of you who think the 2nd Amendment protects you from the government, your knowledge of the Constitution is evident.
In case you and your fellow “gun nuts,” think the federal government doesn’t have the right to defend itself from misguided people who want to use force to keep their precious guns, read the following and weep.
U.S. Constitution:
Article 1; Section 8
“The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
“To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
“To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
“To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
“To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
“To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
“To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
“To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
“To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
“To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
“To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
“To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
“To provide and maintain a Navy;
“To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
“To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
“To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
“To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And
“To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.”
14th Amendment, Section 4:
“The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.”
The Insurrection Act of 1807:
ß 331. Federal aid for State governments
Whenever there is an insurrections in any State against its government, the President may, upon the request of its legislature or of its governor if the legislature cannot be convened, call into Federal service such of the militia of the other States, in the number requested by that State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to suppress the insurrection.
ß 332. Use of militia and armed forces to enforce Federal authority
Whenever the President considers that unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion against the authority of the United States, make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any State or Territory by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, he may call into Federal service such of the militia of any State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to enforce those laws or to suppress the rebellion.
ß 333. Interference with State and Federal law
The President, by using the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by any other means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy, if it–
(1) so hinders the execution of the laws of that State, and of the United States within the State, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or
(2) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.
In any situation covered by clause (1), the State shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the laws secured by the Constitution.
ß 333. Major public emergencies; Iinterference with State and Federal law
(a) USE OF ARMED FORCES IN MAJOR PUBLIC EMERGENCIES.
(1) The President , by using the militia ormay employ the armed forces , or both, or by any other means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to, including the National Guard in Federal service, to–
(A) restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States, the President determines that–
(i) domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order; and
(ii) such violence results in a condition described in paragraph (2); or
(B) suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if it– such insurrection, violation, combination, or conspiracy results in a condition described in paragraph (2).
(2) A condition described in this paragraph is a condition that–
(1) (A) so hinders the execution of the laws of a State or possession, as applicable, and of the United States within that State or possession, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State or possession are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or
(2)(B) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.
(3) In any situation covered by clause (1) paragraph (1)(B), the State shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the laws secured by the Constitution.
(b) NOTICE TO CONGRESS.
The President shall notify Congress of the determination to exercise the authority in subsection (a)(1)(A) as soon as practicable after the determination and every 14 days thereafter during the duration of the exercise of the authority.
ß 334. Proclamation to disperse
Whenever the President considers it necessary to use the militia or the armed forces under this chapter, he shall, by proclamation, immediately order the insurgents to disperse and retire peaceably to their abodes within a limited time.
ß 334. Proclamation to disperse
Whenever the President considers it necessary to use the militia or the armed forces under this chapter, he shall, by proclamation, immediately order the insurgents or those obstructing the enforcement of the laws to disperse and retire peaceably to their abodes within a limited time.
ß 335. Guam and Virgin Islands included as "State"
For purposes of this chapter, the term "State" includes the unincorporated territories of Guam and the Virgin Islands.
“The Insurrection Act of 1807 is a United States federal law (10 U.S.C. §§ 251–255) (until 2016, found at 10 US Code, Chapter 15, §§ 331–335, renumbered to 10 USC, Chapter 13, §§ 251–255) that governs the ability of the President of the United States to deploy military troops within the United States to put down lawlessness, insurrection, and rebellion. The general purpose is to limit presidential power, relying on state and local governments for initial response in the event of insurrection. Coupled with the Posse Comitatus Act, presidential powers for domestic law enforcement are limited and delayed.”
The Insurrection Act of 1807’s Relation to Posse Comitatus Act:
The entire text of the Posse Comitatus Act (as amended in 1956), is as follows:
18 U.S.C. § 1385 – Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus
Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
Accordingly, actions taken under the Insurrection Act, as an "Act of Congress", have always been exempt from the Posse Comitatus Act.
IF, you took the time to read all of this - which I doubt, please show me where the mention of our “personal right to bear arms” is located. Show me where, in the Constitution, the words relating directly to our personal right to bear arms, are. You can’t because they aren’t there. Recent rulings of the SCOTUS, allowing citizens the right to carry firearms are simply the interpretations of “activist, CONSERVATIVE justices.” Funny how you guys disparage liberal justices for their rulings yet applaud the conservative justices for doing the very same thing, “interpreting the Constitution.” So much for the GOPTP concept of “Constitutional originalism.”