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Sep 13, 2019 22:28:28   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
I basically agree but background checks for private sales sounds great, but is absolutely unworkable. I also have numerous hand guns and concealed carry. Unless I’m carrying they are always locked up or within reaching distance.
cbpat1 wrote:
I have purchased a half dozen handguns and have had to go through a background check every single time. I have my carry permit which allows me to take the weapon home with me the same day if I pass my background check, otherwise, I would have to wait three days before I would be allowed to take the weapon home.

I think the background check is enough right now, anymore would be getting pretty intrusive. I think they need to close the loopholes so everyone that purchases a weapon needs to go through a background check. Even with private sales, although I don't know how that would be possible to enforce.

One thing I do know is that taking everyone's weapons away would only insure that the bad guys are the only ones that have weapons. There will always be weapons on the black market. I have been asked twice in the last ten or so years by a couple people that I know were bad dudes if I wanted to buy a handgun, I declined, because of the type of people that asked me and knew the guns were more than likely stolen. There is no way to control background checks in those type situations, further adding proof to the adage that only bad people are going to have guns if the government does a mayor buyback.
I have purchased a half dozen handguns and have ha... (show quote)

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Sep 13, 2019 22:32:52   #
Mikeyavelli
 
whitnebrat wrote:
One of the few times I agree with Mikey...
What I would like to see is:
1) Cities and towns have the right to enforce gun laws within their jurisdictions (city/town limits - urban growth boundary).
2) Citizens within those borders may be restricted in the carrying of firearms such as:
Any firearms outside the home and in transit to a dealer or shooting range must be carried in
a locked case, with ammunition stored separately, both being inaccessible to any people inside
the vehicle.
3) Open carry may be prohibited within their borders, and concealed carry only with registration, background check and training.
4) Violation should be a mandatory 1 year sentence for first offenders, 5 years for a second offense. No parole or time off for good behavior.
5) Outside the boundaries, no restrictions. Out here in the boonies, guns are tools for not only self-protection, but for dealing with predators, and vermin. If we get restricted in these tools, we open ourselves to being prey for criminal trespass and home invasion due to the isolation of homesteads, but we also open ourselves to livestock losses, and an increase in crop losses due to various critters.

In populated areas, firearms outside the home are not good, because of the density of homes and houses. Out here in the countryside, they are a necessity.
One of the few times I agree with Mikey... br What... (show quote)

An address isn't a requirement for keeping a gun.
The Second Amendment stands as written, a law NOT GRANTING RIGHTS TO OWN A GUN, but a law SUPPORTING AND ENSURING THE RIGHT TO OWN A GUN.

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Sep 13, 2019 22:44:09   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
By that logic lets say mass shootings are acceptable and just what goes along with the territory.
That statement was based on statistics. Didn't bother with reading the study, did you?

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Sep 13, 2019 23:00:17   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Medical records show that Beta O'Rourke is a half a gene away from a hare lip.

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Sep 14, 2019 06:40:29   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
An address isn't a requirement for keeping a gun.
The Second Amendment stands as written, a law NOT GRANTING RIGHTS TO OWN A GUN, but a law SUPPORTING AND ENSURING THE RIGHT TO OWN A GUN.

I never said that you couldn't own a gun. I said that there are places (towns,cities) that can regulate how you transport and use them. You can own a gun, but be restricted in how and where you can use it under certain circumstances.

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Sep 14, 2019 07:08:58   #
Idaho
 
vernon wrote:
My thoughts about this is we need to go back punishment. The use of a weapon in a unlawful act
should get a person a minimum of 20 years. To use a firearm and kill or wound some body they should get death and within days not years.
Are you going to have this post erased like the one the other day.


Absolutely right! You stated the words before I got there - I’d say 10 years first offence, 20 years second offence, 30 years for third offence, etc. For a crime in conjunction with any weapon. Mandatory death sentence for anyone committing homocide with ANY weapon - except in the cases of self defence or under castle laws.

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Sep 14, 2019 09:03:34   #
Mikeyavelli
 
whitnebrat wrote:
I never said that you couldn't own a gun. I said that there are places (towns,cities) that can regulate how you transport and use them. You can own a gun, but be restricted in how and where you can use it under certain circumstances.


Infringing on the Second Amendment.
All guns are safe, it's the intent of the person who decides to use a gun that is the danger.
My guns should not be restricted.
Restrictions only apply to those who obey, and criminals laugh at restrictions.

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Sep 14, 2019 10:36:44   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
JFlorio wrote:
Of course they’re not acceptable Tom. There isn’t a gun law that’s gonna stop mass murder. Period.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/1927-bombing-remains-americas-deadliest-school-massacre-180963355/


So nothing should be attempted?

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Sep 14, 2019 11:23:13   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
woodguru wrote:
The fight by the hard right, and I say hard right, is that anything is a slippery slope. They object to anything and everything...that is going down like a porn star fluffer. Moderate republicans, and there are a lot of them agree with the middle of the road, background checks that include police reports, mental health, histories of violence and anger issues.

So the dialog is about what is reasonable, if you are part of the pure opposition that fights against everything you will not have a voice, this will be done without you.

The ground that needs to be discussed are the things that can make differences, it isn't about anything being able to completely eliminate mass murders, it's about the things that can make a difference.

Background checks along with a wait period sufficient to check databases, that's the common sense ground that is being reported as having support out at as high as 90%. Ground for debate exists with what does background checks include... Those databases should include...
...police reporting of domestic violence reports, restraining orders, and general red flag behavior
...felonies

Red flag laws, which allow the police and FBI to intervene when unhinged behavior and threats are reported or detected on social media.

Magazine size limits, they actually are effective in that they make it harder to carry larger numbers of mags that have only ten shots in them. Their effectiveness is curtailed whe they are limited in some states but not others. Everyone I know that wants 20/30/and even 40 round mags has them because it's easy enough to get them in Nevada.

I am a gun owner, I recently bought an AR in a tiny caliber (.204 Ruger) for coyote and target shooting. I am against people being forced to give up an array of assault oriented rifles, I favor the approach California took when they banned assault rifles It banned new ones. It was later relaxed to a standard of safety features and magazine size limits, also better than a forced taking of all of them, that is a line too far. I oppose total bans and prefer allowing the modified ARs that are available in california, although total bans are what they are as long as they don't come with being forced to turn in existing ones, mine is a custom super accurate one that cost $2500. California did not try to take people's AR's when they banned them, they grandfathered in the ones people already owned.

The right rants on about the government wanting to take our guns, it's not all of them so that is a fear mongering rhetoric. The country has a long history of having bans on different military grade weapons, also things such as fully automatic and suppressors, which are prohibited in many states.

Rather than talking about the negative and what you are afraid is a slippery slope, talk about what is reasonable and acceptable to you. I'm curious how many people on the right will say what's acceptable, although I know that to say so is to be labeled by the hard right as a traitor.
The fight by the hard right, and I say hard right,... (show quote)


A gun in every pot! For our protection!

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Sep 14, 2019 11:25:11   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
National Council for Behavioral Health: Mass Violence in America, Causes, Impacts, and Solutions

Despite the fear and public scrutiny they evoke, mass shootings are statistically rare events. Mass
shootings accounted for less than two-tenths of 1 percent of homicides in the United States between
2000 and 2016. Even school shootings, the most tragic of such events, are infrequent. People are more
likely to intentionally kill themselves with a gun than to be killed by a gun in a mass shooting or other
type of homicide.
url=https://www.thenationalcouncil.org/wp-content... (show quote)


Mass drugs are the problem! We need more mental health checks, less drugs, more God

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Sep 14, 2019 12:01:52   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
So nothing should be attempted?


Attempt what? Another worthless law that infringes on law abiding citizens so you liberals will feel better about yourself? Did you not read what I said about the study? It's not a gun problem, It's a moral problem. Government cannot legislate morality. More killed every week in Chicago alone with handguns than the Texas mass shooting yet no outrage from the left. Either minorities don't matter to them or they can't score enough political points off of single shootings. Exactly why us 2nd Amendment "nuts" believe there is a slippery slope. We know an "assault weapons" ban won't work. So what's the next logical step by the gun grabbers? Think about it.

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Sep 14, 2019 13:08:16   #
waltmoreno
 
woodguru wrote:
The fight by the hard right, and I say hard right, is that anything is a slippery slope. They object to anything and everything...that is going down like a porn star fluffer. Moderate republicans, and there are a lot of them agree with the middle of the road, background checks that include police reports, mental health, histories of violence and anger issues.

So the dialog is about what is reasonable, if you are part of the pure opposition that fights against everything you will not have a voice, this will be done without you.

The ground that needs to be discussed are the things that can make differences, it isn't about anything being able to completely eliminate mass murders, it's about the things that can make a difference.

Background checks along with a wait period sufficient to check databases, that's the common sense ground that is being reported as having support out at as high as 90%. Ground for debate exists with what does background checks include... Those databases should include...
...police reporting of domestic violence reports, restraining orders, and general red flag behavior
...felonies

Red flag laws, which allow the police and FBI to intervene when unhinged behavior and threats are reported or detected on social media.

Magazine size limits, they actually are effective in that they make it harder to carry larger numbers of mags that have only ten shots in them. Their effectiveness is curtailed whe they are limited in some states but not others. Everyone I know that wants 20/30/and even 40 round mags has them because it's easy enough to get them in Nevada.

I am a gun owner, I recently bought an AR in a tiny caliber (.204 Ruger) for coyote and target shooting. I am against people being forced to give up an array of assault oriented rifles, I favor the approach California took when they banned assault rifles It banned new ones. It was later relaxed to a standard of safety features and magazine size limits, also better than a forced taking of all of them, that is a line too far. I oppose total bans and prefer allowing the modified ARs that are available in california, although total bans are what they are as long as they don't come with being forced to turn in existing ones, mine is a custom super accurate one that cost $2500. California did not try to take people's AR's when they banned them, they grandfathered in the ones people already owned.

The right rants on about the government wanting to take our guns, it's not all of them so that is a fear mongering rhetoric. The country has a long history of having bans on different military grade weapons, also things such as fully automatic and suppressors, which are prohibited in many states.

Rather than talking about the negative and what you are afraid is a slippery slope, talk about what is reasonable and acceptable to you. I'm curious how many people on the right will say what's acceptable, although I know that to say so is to be labeled by the hard right as a traitor.
The fight by the hard right, and I say hard right,... (show quote)


Sorry woodie, what you're saying about gun rights in Cali is just plain wrong.
I purchased a brand new legal AR-15 to replace the AR-15 I previously owned after finding out that it had been declared illegal by a subsequent law. Thinking I was now legal, I was recently stunned to learn that my newly purchased Colt AR-15 is now also illegal. It seems that I'd missed the deadline for a new law requiring it to be registered online. And even though I'd tried to register it online, the site kept crashing. And I never even knew I'd become a felon if I failed to complete the registration. There's even a lawsuit against Cali, complaining that NOBODY could register their ARs online cuz the site kept crashing. And Cali provided no other way for citizens to register them than online.
Doncha just luv it? Only in Cali, where they make it incredibly difficult for citizens to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights.

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Sep 14, 2019 13:15:07   #
Mikeyavelli
 
waltmoreno wrote:
Sorry woodie, what you're saying about gun rights in Cali is just plain wrong.
I purchased a brand new legal AR-15 to replace the AR-15 I previously owned after finding out that it had been declared illegal by a subsequent law. Thinking I was now legal, I was recently stunned to learn that my newly purchased Colt AR-15 is now also illegal. It seems that I'd missed the deadline for a new law requiring it to be registered online. And even though I'd tried to register it online, the site kept crashing. And I never even knew I'd become a felon if I failed to complete the registration. There's even a lawsuit against Cali, complaining that NOBODY could register their ARs online cuz the site kept crashing. And Cali provided no other way for citizens to register them than online.
Doncha just luv it? Only in Cali, where they make it incredibly difficult for citizens to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights.
Sorry woodie, what you're saying about gun rights ... (show quote)

That is a crime to deny rights that are enforced, not granted by the Second Amendment (2A)

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Sep 14, 2019 13:27:06   #
Gatsby
 
JFlorio wrote:
Attempt what? Another worthless law that infringes on law abiding citizens so you liberals will feel better about yourself? Did you not read what I said about the study? It's not a gun problem, It's a moral problem. Government cannot legislate morality. More killed every week in Chicago alone with handguns than the Texas mass shooting yet no outrage from the left. Either minorities don't matter to them or they can't score enough political points off of single shootings. Exactly why us 2nd Amendment "nuts" believe there is a slippery slope. We know an "assault weapons" ban won't work. So what's the next logical step by the gun grabbers? Think about it.
Attempt what? Another worthless law that infringes... (show quote)


Biden let that cat out of the bag, he advocates banning all "magazines".

If you like your single shot, you can keep your single shot.

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Sep 14, 2019 13:48:55   #
daveasm3
 
The best solution to regulating who can possess guns, is to have a national listing of those who are prohibited from owning guns which would be available to everyone. It would include as much information as possible about those prohibited individuals so they could be easily identified by anyone. We live in a technologically sophisticated world and this would be easy. Anyone selling to someone on the list would then be a possible accessory to any crime which is committed by that person with that tool. This would be the only "enhanced background check" needed. Every adult should be able to carry an equalizer if they desire to do so and are not prohibited. Anyone choosing to carry an equalizer, or any other tool, is responsible for how that tool is used. That is enough.

We also, in reality, have a national right to carrying equalizers by all Americans of age if they are not on a list of prohibited individuals, if our Constitution truly is the supreme ruling document of our Country [which it is]. It is absurd that our foundation document, which clearly states that the right of The People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, can be infringed locally. Our Bill of Rights is for our entire nation and home rule does not apply. [Isn't this obvious?]

All other laws infringing on our Second Amendment rights should be null and void. Good people should be allowed to have any arms they wish, as our forefathers intended. Our forefathers intended for we, The People, to have control of our public servants.

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