fullspinzoo

How come you're not yelling it's Trump's fault, that's your usual narrative?

debeda

PeterS

It was covered by NYTimes, NBC, CBS, ABC, and NPR. If that doesn't satisfy you that is your problem...

https://www.google.com/search?q=Deangelo+Parnell%2C+17&oq=Deangelo+Parnell%2C+17&aqs=chrome..69i57.2958j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

son of witless

So far there is very little information about the shooter, but that does not stop people from weighing in and inferring talking points.

boofhead

There are millions of crimes prevented every year by good people using guns (not necessarily firing them or shooting anyone; just by having a gun and using it to prevent a crime). How many of those possible crimes would have resulted in mass death otherwise? How many peoples' lives have been saved already? There is no doubt that if a good guy with a gun had been there the criminal would have been stopped and lives saved. There is no doubt also that because there was not a good guy with a gun available, people died.
Take away the guns from the good people and we have Chicago or LA or any of the Democrat hell-holes covering the entire country.
Did you see the Kate Steinle latest? Does it not make you sick? Is that what you want for your country?

Tug484

That's the reason I carried one with my money bag.
I wasn't giving up the money if I had to deal with that situation.

Tug484

He was the wrong color so it's nothing to see here, so move on.
When they say white man, that could be wrong also.
That also fits some Cuban people.

debeda

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

In this posting, PeterS again demonstrates his sophistry and demagoguery. The thing to remember is that The Second Amendment affirms that the right to keep and bear arms existed before the Constitution was even written. It is therefore incumbent upon PeterS and his ilk to prove that the right should be limited & NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

No one has to go to court to prove his innocence. The state must prove guilt. We don’t have to answer that his questions. PeterS must prove the necessity of any of his proposals and do it BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.

Further, he and they MUST DO IT with infallible logic and examples. He must take a shooting and demonstrate precisely how his proposal would have avoided the incident.

Neither PeterS nor any of the other progressives can.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Hold on one second, let's back up and take a closer look at this SPREE shooting.

The incident began when Texas Department of Public Safety officers attempted to make a traffic stop. The suspect, who was driving a gold car, pointed a rifle toward the rear window of his car and fired several shots toward the DPS patrol officers. One of them was wounded. So, the first people to encounter this maniac were men with guns--yeah, cops who immediately broadcast shots fired, officer down, resulting in an immediate response by local and state police. The chase was on.

The shooter hauled ass after he shot at the DPS officers. He was on the run. High speed shit. He flees west to Odessa to East Loop 338 to 42nd Street, then goes west on 42nd Street. Near Willis and Young Middle School, he kills a young postal worker (who was unarmed) and hijacks her van. He heads back east on 42nd Street, firing out the window of his fast moving vehicle at cops along the way, wounding two, and at people and cars in a shopping mall. He manages to hit lots of people, killing some and wounding others.

Let's think about this for a minute, reason it out, apply some basic logic. Several things immediately come to mind.

1) Had anyone in the path of this rampaging maniac, either on foot or in a vehicle, had a firearm, how quickly would they have been able to respond to stop him? By the time anyone could have sortied a gun, the shooter, in his fast moving mail van, would have been out of range.

2) No doubt that folks along the route and in the mall parking lot, seeing and hearing gun fire coming from the van, seeing people getting hit, were scrambling for cover and would have gotten on their cell phones and called 911. Cops responding from all directions would have gotten updates from the dispatchers. The cops on the chase were obviously putting a lot of pressure on the shooter, he had to keep moving.

3) Lots of good guys and gals with guns in fast police cars were closing in on this Sonovbitch, they cornered him in the Cinergy theater in Odessa, had a little shoot out and killed him.

A bad guy with a gun shooting from a fast vehicle with police on his ass and more closing in isn't what you'd call a citizen self-defense scenario.

Such scenarios do present themselves from time to time: again in Texas, a man convicted of domestic violence in a military court martial--a conviction that prohibited him from purchasing or possessing firearms, a conviction that military authorities never uploaded to the FBI NICS database--entered a church in Sutherland Springs, TX and opened fire. He killed 26 and wounded 20 others.

When he exited the church, a citizen, former NRA firearms instructor Stephen Willeford, got a gun (a semi-auto AR15), and confronted him, shot him twice, once in the leg and once in the upper left torso. The bad guy dropped his rifle and returned fire with a handgun as he got in his vehicle and sped away, the NRA instructor put one more round through the back window of his car.

Willeford then hooked up with a guy in a pickup and they gave chase. They pursued the bad guy at high speed for about five to seven minutes, driving at speeds up to 95 miles per hour. During the chase, the driver, Johnnie Langendorff, called 911 and reported their location to the operator as they assumed that the police were on their way to the church.

Due to serious gunshot wounds, the bad guy lost control of his vehicle, crashed into a road sign, careened across a ditch and stopped around 30 feet out into a field.

Langendorff stopped his pickup on the highway and Willeford exited with gun in hand. They saw no movement in the bad guy's car, so Willeford simply kept a bead on the car until the cops arrived a few minutes later.

When the cops checked, the bad guy, Devin Patrick Kelley, was dead.

Crickets, Pete? Crickets my ass. Your obsession with semi-auto firearms is pathological, it has seriously hindered any ability you may have had to apply reason, logic and common sense to tragedies like this. In your mind, they are all the same and they all demand your irrational solution--get rid of semi-autos and these things won't happen.

Tug484

A lady got away and thought the three shots she heard were a backfire.
Then he pulled up beside her at a light. He pointed his gun at her.
The two cars in front of her weren't moving through the green light. She laid on the horn and got around them.
The cars parted and he fired three more shots. She doesn't know if he hit anyone, but he was pursuing her.
She made it to MCM Elegante on E. University Blvd. and exited to zig zag through residential.
He stopped his pursuit.
He was shooting through car windows and doors.
One man had scrapnel in his arm, but couldn't have it removed because the hospitals were locked down.
One more person has passed.
Honestly, I'm surprised he didn't get more people. I live close and 1-20 and SH 191 are always packed with cars.
There is always heavy traffic there and on 42nd where he was also.
He was on Loop 338 also and it's always busy. That's the route I take to get to JBS Parkway and 42nd St.

Ricktloml

For 240 some odd years America has had access to guns. Mass shootings didn't start until the 1960s, and the number has increased every year. When the left started corrupting the culture, PEOPLE starting reacting to the cheapening of life, the pornification of society, the debasement of the culture. If these debased individuals didn't have guns, they would find some other way to kill people.

debeda

Good point, Rick

peg w

If i hear another dense politition say the shooter was nuts, and thats why he shot up the countyside, i am going to barf. We need to get military weapons out of the hands of civilians

I am John Galt