RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC

But if YOU were telling the truth, you would have pointed out that that occurred in 1988, 15 years before we invaded Iraq.

Ve'hoe

If I do, I will just embarrass you again,,,,,rubbing your nose in your diaper....

Ve'hoe

And if YOU were telling the truth you would point out that it was continued violation of the no fly zone restrictions the dreaded UN established,,, and fears based on the 1988 Gas attacks,,,

Here is what was happening in and around the kurds;



On the evening of February 24,1991 several days before the Gulf War ceasefire was signed, the Saudi Arabia-based Voice of Free Iraq radio station, allegedly funded and operated by the CIA, broadcast a message to the Iraqi people telling them to rise up and overthrow Saddam. The speaker on the radio was Salah Omar al-Ali, an exiled former member of the Ba'ath Party and the Ba'athist Revolutionary Command Council. Al-Ali's message urged the Iraqis to overthrow the "criminal tyrant of Iraq" and asserted that Saddam "will flee the battlefield when he becomes certain that the catastrophe has engulfed every street, every house and every family in Iraq."
He said:
“Rise to save the homeland from the clutches of dictatorship so that you can devote yourself to avoiding the dangers of the continuation of the war and destruction. Honorable Sons of the Tigris and Euphrates, at these decisive moments of your life, and while facing the danger of death at the hands of foreign forces, you have no option in order to survive and defend the homeland but put an end to the dictator and his criminal gang."

In addition, the Gulf War ceasefire agreement of March 3 1991 prohibited the Iraqi military's use of fixed-wing aircraft over the country, but allowed them to fly helicopters because most bridges had been destroyed. They used the helos against the kurds,, several times. The outgunned rebels had little heavy weapons and few surface-to-air missiles, which made them almost defenseless against helicopter gunships and indiscriminate artillery barrages when the Ba'athists responded to the uprisings with crushing force. According to Human Rights Watch, "in their attempts to retake cities, and after consolidating control, loyalist forces killed thousands of anyone who opposes them whether a rebel or a civilian by firing indiscriminately into the opposing areas; executing them on the streets, in homes and in hospitals; rounding up suspects, especially young men, during house-to-house searches, and arresting them with or without charge or shooting them en masse; and using helicopters to attack those who try to flee the cities."

There were several reports of chemical warfare attacks, including of a nerve agent being used during the assault on Basra. Following an investigation, the United Nations (UN) found that there was no evidence that Iraq used chemical weapons to repress the uprisings, but did not rule out the possibility that Iraq could have used phosgene gas which would not have been detectable after the attack. According to the U.S. government's Iraq Survey Group, Iraqi military did in fact use the nerve agent sarin, as well as non-lethal CS gas, on a massive scale when "dozens" of improvised helicopter bombing sorties were flown against rebels in Karbala and the surrounding areas in March 1991; evidence of apparent mustard gas attacks have been also reported in the areas of Najaf and Karbala by the U.S. forces that have been stationed there at the time.
The death toll was high throughout the country. The rebels killed many Ba'athist officials and officers. In response, thousands of unarmed civilians were killed by indiscriminate fire from loyalist tanks, artillery and helicopters, and many historical and religious structures in the south were deliberately targeted under orders from Saddam Hussein. Saddam's security forces entered the cities, often using women and children as human shields, where they detained and summarily executed or "disappeared" thousands of people at random in a policy of collective responsibility. Many suspects were tortured, raped, or burned alive.
Many of the people killed were buried in mass graves. Mass burial sites containing thousands of bodies have been uncovered since the fall of Saddam Hussein in April 2003. Of the 200 mass graves the Iraqi Human Rights Ministry had registered between 2003-2006, the majority were in the South, including one believed to hold as many as 10,000 victims.
The trial of 15 former aides to Saddam Hussein, including Ali Hassan al-Majid (also known as "Chemical Ali"), over their alleged role in the murder of 60,000 to 100,000 people during the 1991 suppression took place in Baghdad in 2007 and 2008. According to the prosecutor, "the acts committed against the Iraqi people in 1991 by the security forces and by the defendants were among one of the ugliest crimes ever committed against humanity in modern history." Al-Majid was already sentenced to death in June 2007 for genocide regarding his role in the 1988 Operation Anfal when he was also convicted for his role in the events of 1991 and given another death sentence; he was executed in 2010. The issue was also given much attention during the trial of Saddam Hussein.

So...... wrong again Von Clausewitz


Amazing you were allowed to retire..........

cold iron Loc: White House

And you have the right to be stupid.

cold iron Loc: White House

Everyone has the right to be stupid. Don't be sad.

Retired669

Especially you morons that watch faux propaganda outlet and believe the crap they feed you.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :thumbup:

Have you Dolts figure out yet why your guy isn't in the White House?.....

Hmmmmmmmmmm?... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :thumbup:

Ve'hoe

Dolts??? You must be wanting to speak with some of the libs here,,,, speak slowly,,, they are not smart, but hell you know that cause you are one of them!!

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

Is it the continuous air flow through their ears that keeps them 'cool'?

Retired669

Dolts, Dullards, Dense, Dumb all fit you and your kind perfectly. Isn't it about time one of you morons posted another conspiracy or two? :mrgreen: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

You do quite well posting BS.

robert66

That and the big bush.

jjab68

Your language shows lack of intelligent and ignorant, as far as the Kurds, they were supposedly killed prior to the 2003 invasion, back in 80's while we were helping Sadam build his Chemical stockpile to attack Iran.

Retired669

I posted the truth oldtimer, it's you morons that post nonstop conspiracy bullshit. If you could pay attention you'd see that since it's very obvious. :mrgreen: :thumbup: :thumbup:

jjab68

we claimed we attacked Iraq for violating the UN charter, since Russia violated the UN also lets attack them! oh I forgot we only attack the one we know we can beat.

JimMe

Yes... We figured out why Our Guy isn't in the White House... Because YOU put YOUR GUY in the White House... Which means YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE HORRENDOUS STATE OUR USA's IN TODAY...

TY For Admitting This...