JoyV

Absolutely!!!!

debeda

I worked for an educational reform foundation, that worked with mid sized school systems around the country. We had many interns from princeton, Harvard, u of Michigan, etc. One of the biggest complaints of teachers was that they weren't treated as professionals. Finally I had heard enough, and as our staff and some of the interns were echoing and bemoaning this, I suggested that if teachers wanted to be considered professionals like doctors and lawyers they shouldn't be union workers. Their response? "Well doctors have the AMA and lawyers have the Bar Assn". I asked them if they really thought those organizations were collective bargaining entities and they just looked at me as tho I had 2 heads

debeda

acknowledgeurma

I would say the AMA and Bar Assn are more like guilds.

debeda

acknowledgeurma

guild: a medieval association of craftsmen or merchants, often having considerable power

rumitoid

Prove public education has been a failure for several decades. It is not a given, given the Right's hate of it.

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

Way to go! JoyV

debeda

Yes, I know what it is. But honestly, the closest thing nowadays to a guild would be trade labor unions. Apprentice, then journeyman.

acknowledgeurma

How would you define white supremacy? And what would you call a white supremacist's fellow traveler? What would you call one who uses white supremacists to gain and hold power?

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

I sincerely doubt the FBI counts border patrol agents as purveyors of violence.
Calling people names, and I mean both sides, is not violence. That may be unproductive and short sighted, but it's not violence.

The question was raised whether the right is ready to use violence. My answer was that some are quite ready and are doing so now.

acknowledgeurma

As for "having considerable power", I think trade labor unions, now days, could be left out of that category, what with so called "right to work" laws.

Intern, resident, then fellow.

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

Personally, I believe that the right is far behind the left in committing violence. Seems like every day we hear about antifa beating somebody up. are they considered left? Extreme left? How many lefts and rights are there? I have not seen any democrats or liberals or leftists, whatever you want to call them, I have not seen any condemn antifa, but I have seen almost unanimous condemnation of the El Paso shooter. The MSM almost refuses to mention Dayton, Ohio because the shooter was a leftist. Where is the cry for fair and honest journalism?
Are we to consider these violations of human rights, beatings, and even murder, actually mass murder as a part of our parties? Conservatives want NO part of the El Paso shooter, just like Elizabeth Warren wants no part of the Dayton, Ohio shooter.
Instead of letting things evolve into more violence, let's trim our party lines and define exactly what it means to be left or right. Lets get rid of the extremists on BOTH sides.

debeda

well said

acknowledgeurma

You might want to about who is behind whom:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_terrorism#United_States
Wherein:
A report in The Washington Post, published on November 25, 2018, showed violent right-wing-related incidents up, and left-wing-related incidents down. Total domestic terrorism incidents was down to 41 in 2001, from a high of 468 in 1970, but then went up to 65 in 2017. Of those 65 events in 2017, 36 were right-wing-related (with 11 fatalities), 10 were left-wing-related (with 6 fatalities), 7 were related to Islamist extremism (with 16 fatalities), and 12, including the 2017 Las Vegas shooting, were categorized as "Other/Unknown" (with 62 fatalities, including 58 from the Las Vegas incident). The report found that 2018 was a particularly deadly year, with 11 people dying in the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting, 2 others in an incident in Kentucky, and two more in a shooting in Tallasshee. All three incidents were right-wing related.[88]

The Post reported that the upsurge in right-wing violence began during the Barack Obama administration and picked up steam under the presidency of Donald Trump, whose remarks after the Unite the Right rally in Charlotteville, Virginia in 2017 that there were "some very fine people on both sides" is widely seen as giving confidence to the right that the administration looked favorably on their goals, providing them with "tacit support". A former FBI assistant director for counterintelligence, is quoted as saying that "[political leaders] from the White House down, used to serve as a check on conduct and speech that was abhorrent to most people. I see that eroding. ... The current political rhetoric is at least enabling, and certainly not discouraging, violence."[88]

According to analysis by the newspaper of data from the Global Terrorism Database, 92 of 263 domestic terrorism events – 35% – that occurred from 2010 to 2017 were right-wing related, while 38 (14%) were Islamist extremist-related, and 34 (13%) were left-wing related. Not only that, but a criminologist from John Jay College stated that right-wing attacks were statistically more likely to result in fatalities.[88]