woodguru wrote:
I object to Antifa and their element that is actually not representative of the actual movement at all just as I object to groups like the proud boys. Their objective is to literally fight at protests that they are in opposition to. They train and work out in fighting techniques and they go to fight, which is what a group calling themselves Antifa did. This element of antifa destroys the objective of the Antifa movement, as does any group of people within a group that can't understand the purpose of peaceful protests.
The best way to negate and defuse the proud boys is to ignore them... although I will say that they were in Oregon in a confrontational mindset. Antifa is not nearly the organized entity that the proud boys are, and if Trump wants to talk about declaring Antifa a terrorist group so are the proud boys and other white nationalist groups that incite, train, and prepare for violence.
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Kudos for “objecting” although that’s a little bit shy of a denouncement.
First I’ve never heard of “proud boys” so I’ve been reading their website. For example:
“As evening set in, it was time to pack up and get some beers.
The day had been a success. No fights. No riots. No turf wars. No bull sh**.
“Even while other people marched across the city disrupting daily commutes and business routes.
“Our boys showed people we can stand for America and have fun doing it, without the need for violence or vitriolic rhetoric.
“Proud of your Boy!”
http://proudboysusa.com/western-chauvinism-still-alive-in-portland/On this url
http://proudboysusa.com/aboutus/There is a video of the founder of proud boys claiming they renounce “white nationalism, “alt-right” etc oh, here’s the url for the video:
https://youtu.be/DGrPjx2V_TABut you say, “Their objective is to literally fight at protests that they are in opposition to.”
Prove it! Show me where they say that is their “objective”, or retract the lie.
The leftist MSM making these guys out to be anything like avowed terrorists is, from what I gather from their own position, just more typical MSM fake news.
So, your leftists antifas send out avowed terrorists and if anyone dares defend themselves or their victims they are also terrorists? Why am I not surprised this would be your position. So, you will only “object” to Antifa avowed violence if no conservatives dare defend themselves against them, and if all conservatives also denounce those who would take a defensive position against violence. I personally do not resort to violence because I’m a true Christian. But as an American, I will ideologically and verbally defend a secular person’s right to self-defense, and defense of this country’s constitutional Republic (and it being non-socialistic at that), because that is the law of the land.
Make no mistake, it is the Antifa socialists who are the antagonists (terrorists/bullies) in this country!...
“What is 'Antifa?'
“Antifa is short for "anti-fascist." It is a loosely organized coalition of protesters, left-wing activists, and self-described anarchists
who vow to physically confront "fascists" — meaning anyone who espouses bigoted or totalitarian views.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/who-antifa-meet-radical-neo-nazi-fighting-militia-n793241#anchor-WhatisAntifaAnd
“antifa
“Short for militant leftists, or occasionally far leftists and radical leftists, often used as a generalization of
people who commit to acts of violence against those on the Right side of the political spectrum.”
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=antifaI don’t see where they even have a website where they explain their positions. But it appears that it is quite common knowledge they are committed to violence to get their way. If that isn’t fascism, what is?
Doing a little research, it sounds to me like these antifa’s are, at best, misguided by the leftist false narratives and don’t have a clue that they have become the fascists themselves by their physical terrorist tactics.
What a mess leftists are making of this country! All because they insist on fundamentally changing America to a socialist country.
And you wonder why American patriots are literally “up in arms” in defense of our constitution and Bill of Rights?
You folks really should just leave America if you don’t like it that much. That would be the only peaceful solution at this point...your leftist terrorists are going to make sure of that. There is one other peaceful option, which you leftists also object to, and that is dividing this country geologically into two separate countries, one conservative side, and the other socialist/leftist.
Meanwhile, your thinly veiled “objection” (short of a real denouncement) has been found out. Like everything with leftists, you have the situation upside down and backwards.