Something you need to know about Trump which the Left said was a lie (Page 3): Absolutely No where in that article states that President Trump was doing any kind of manual labor.. but...

Larai Loc: Fallon, NV

emarine wrote:

Being at ground zero after the dust settled was not dangerous unless you were involved in digging operations in the wreckage … the NYFD sprayed millions of gallons of water for fire & dust suppression shortly after the airborne dust settled ... I personally feel that anyone who volunteered should be helped if they suffered injury... as for trump providing manual labor I doubt it... perhaps one photo of a dirty Donald trump would prove something instead of hearsay …

Absolutely No where in that article states that President Trump was doing any kind of manual labor.. but he supplied plenty...and he also inspired and encouraged on our first responders!...I appreciate Blade posting this, then Rumi!..

Larai Loc: Fallon, NV

EmilyD wrote:

What a sour thing to say! First responders were at... (show quote)

In response to this.. he's right.. they don't usually til the media gets there so they can make a grand entrance.. Obama & George W were famous for that..."Kerik did say politicians did not go to ground zero unless there was a camera present. That was an interesting observation."

To be fair...at the time of 9/11/01, Trump hadn't gotten into politics yet.. he was just an affluent business man at the time... but yes.. there have been plenty of "photo ops" from past presidents..

EmilyD

Larai wrote:

To be fair...at the time of 9/11/01, Trump hadn't gotten into politics yet.. he was just an affluent business man at the time... but yes.. there have been plenty of "photo ops" from past presidents..

Trump didn't get into politics until he announced his candidacy. Of course he was a business man on 9/11. The point is that he was accused of lying that he was there when he actually really was there.

Larai Loc: Fallon, NV

EmilyD wrote:

Trump didn't get into politics until he announced his candidacy. Of course he was a business man on 9/11. The point is that he was accused of lying that he was there when he actually really was there.

Oh I know.. Trust me... but most of us in here are in agreement.. He's been vindicated by that article, by some folks for sure.. I guess I should have stated that quote was indeed interesting..

acknowledgeurma

Larai wrote:

In response to this.. he's right.. they don't usua... (show quote)

Are you faulting President George W Bush for going to ground zero when there were cameras present? When can a POTUS go to any public (and some private) place and not have cameras present?

Kerik's saying, "politicians did not go to ground zero unless there was a camera present" is only a belittling of one of a politicians main functions in a democratic society: to be the face of public support for efforts. The politician who doesn't "show up" is often criticized, perhaps rightly so.

Celebrities can also serve this function, but it can also help to maintain their celebrity.

rumitoid

archie bunker wrote:

Sorry Rumi, it's hard for me to fathom you showing support for the guy after all you've said about him, and those who support him.
My apologies. I didn't realise you were sincere.

Haha, no problem. I understand your reasonable confusion.

emarine

Pennylynn wrote:

President Trump never said he did manual labor.....he said he hired people to work along side of first responders.

Trump says lots of things like giving to charities that he didn't … even his big charitable golf events proved profitable for trump where the real charity came from other vendors & donations … lets not forget that trump had serious money problems in the 90's losing close to a billion...

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acknowledgeurma wrote:

Are you faulting President George W Bush for going... (show quote)

Mayor Guilliani was near the WTC before the South Tower was hit. When the South Tower collapsed, he and his staff ran like hell, were covered with dust, and were trapped for a time. President Bush went down there after he was cleared to return to Washington. Hillary Clinton went on CNN, and where in the hell were Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid or Chuck Schumer or John Brennan or Robert Mueller?

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

emarine wrote:

Trump says lots of things like giving to charities that he didn't … even his big charitable golf events proved profitable for trump where the real charity came from other vendors & donations … lets not forget that trump had serious money problems in the 90's losing close to a billion...

Throughout history, lot's of wealthy people have had serious money problems. Donald Trump does not have a monopoly on bankruptcies and business failures. Even whole nations that enjoyed prosperity have gone bankrupt. Venezuela is a good example. Damned Socialists anyway.

emarine

Blade_Runner wrote:

Throughout history, lot's of wealthy people have had serious money problems. Donald Trump does not have a monopoly on bankruptcies and business failures. Even whole nations that enjoyed prosperity have gone bankrupt. Venezuela is a good example. Damned Socialists anyway.

Blade buddy you know as well as I that after the dust settled only qualified personnel had access to ground zero … this was a crime scene for months... there was a very limited group of outside engineering contractors involved... its not like any builder with a shovel could jump in... I do give trump some credit for moral support in a catastrophic event...

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emarine wrote:

Trump says lots of things like giving to charities that he didn't … even his big charitable golf events proved profitable for trump where the real charity came from other vendors & donations … lets not forget that trump had serious money problems in the 90's losing close to a billion...

I am sure you have a list of those charities..... In the late 90s I also lost money on bad investments.... does that make me a bad person? In fact I know a few business people who almost lost everything in the last depression....are they also bad people? Careful, you do not want to be seen as a person with double standards...

emarine

Pennylynn wrote:

I am sure you have a list of those charities..... In the late 90s I also lost money on bad investments.... does that make me a bad person? In fact I know a few business people who almost lost everything in the last depression....are they also bad people? Careful, you do not want to be seen as a person with double standards...

There comes a point in time where it is imprudent to support lies Pennylynn buddy … I find you personally to be a good, fair Lady more than capable of fact finding... I personally lost a small fortune when the oil price fell over 50 a barre several years ago … got caught with a lot of product I paid fair market for that I had to distribute at a loss... we take chances and there is always risk involved... I still remained solvent & paid everyone on time in full ... I could have gone into bankruptcy and dumped my losses... it was a wake up call personally after many profitable years... It didn't even effect my credit or creditability ... we recovered well in short time mostly from people who believed in me... you know you can learn everything you require about trump if you choose to...

acknowledgeurma

Blade_Runner wrote:

Mayor Guilliani was near the WTC before the South Tower was hit. When the South Tower collapsed, he and his staff ran like hell, were covered with dust, and were trapped for a time. President Bush went down there after he was cleared to return to Washington. Hillary Clinton went on CNN, and where in the hell were Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid or Chuck Schumer or John Brennan or Robert Mueller?

I'm not sure of the relevance of your reply to my post, but here is an article about where Clinton and Trump were during those times an their responses at the time.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/trump-hillary-clinton-september-11-911-attacks-nyc-214236

Larai Loc: Fallon, NV

acknowledgeurma wrote:

Are you faulting President George W Bush for going... (show quote)

I don't accuse Bush... that would be the libtard media.. I think it was a rather odd thing for Kerik to say.. given what he was trying to say regarding Trump's actually having been there... I saw Bush at ground zero.. saw him quite often.. I'm not the one accusing of a photo op the MSM is!.. I also realize that conservative presidents are damned if they do and damned if they don't.. While the last dem president never missed a photo op.. that would be Obama.. I have Never in my entire life seen an American President up in my face Everyday!!.. As far as celebs go.. Gary Sinise, John Voight, Bruce Willis, Sam Elliot..Tommy Lee Jones.. Just a few of my favorite of them, In my opinion wouldn't do any kind of promoting to sell themselves but to ONLY Inspire, Motivate, Keep our first responders going, and cheering them on..

EmilyD

emarine wrote:

Blade buddy you know as well as I that after the dust settled only qualified personnel had access to ground zero … this was a crime scene for months... there was a very limited group of outside engineering contractors involved... its not like any builder with a shovel could jump in... I do give trump some credit for moral support in a catastrophic event...

And yet Trump was allowed to be there...many times.