I have a suggestion of what you, also, can do. It involves your lips on my backside.

Any human reasonable person who follows this issue surely must sense the injustice of keeping a people imprisoned in these places.

What kind of life is it when one can't leave or enter the areas where they are forced to live, without being given permission? On top of that, when their imprisonment becomes unbearable and when they protest out of sheer frustration, due to conditions that can only be imagined by those not subjected to such treatment, they are used as ginny pigs for testing the latest crowd control weapons.

However, the question no one seems to be asking that I'm hearing: what is to become of the Palestinian people? Those who deal in reality realize a two-state solution ain't gonna happen. If the Jews continue their quest for a Greater Israel, and that's what they're up to, then where are the Palestinians supposed to go?

Perhaps, as has been shown throughout history, their plans will be foiled. The countries that contain portions of the land that Israel covets, for their dreams of a Greater Israel, will probably have something to say about that.

I also suspect that the people of the US will, at some point, wake up and refuse to be used as Israel's enabler. Listening to the Democratic debates, we heard Tulsi Gabbard explain her thoughts on the wars in the Middle East. That the US wakes up could be nearer than thought, especially when considering those who have hijacked the Democratic party.

You know, there really is a large difference, in an awful lot of instances, between what the mainstream media (and I'm talking that of both Europe and the U.S.) reports and the actual realities on the ground.

Having worked in Israel, Pakistan and a few real shitholes, then read what the MSM has to say, I can assure you that all you're getting is political bias. In many cases, the "reporters" who file the stories are supplying second hand information because either they don't have the balls to set foot in certain area deemed highly dangerous or government authorities, ours or locals, won't permit them in. Somehow that never seems to figure into their stories. Often what they "report" is hearsay from sources with some political axe or other to grind.

Then, of course, there is their news venue's own political biases and other factors. Our own mainstream media, for example, deals with a Democratic Party that will not tolerate any reporting that contradicts their party line; in some cases, reporting the truth could find a news company "on the outs" with the very party they support.

That said, having been to some countries and done work in a field that's pretty much inside certain issues that make the news, I've found much of the MSM accounts regarding events in those places to be less than accurate.

Now, in addition to having been there myself when I was 17 and again s couple of times in the first 12 years of this century, I have a number of relatives of Polish descent, a "wing" of my family from my grandmother's side, who have been living in Israel since the late 1940s. They have been soldiers, business people, kibbutzniks, tradesmen and one was a professor at the University of Tel Aviv. When I was there working, I took time to get together with some of those in my relative age group, their children and grandchildren and we talked a lot about "goings-on" there.

To be perfectly blunt and speaking as someone who has been there and worked with Israeli security people, specifically, in part, Shabak (what you may know as the Shin Beth, the General Security Service) what you posted to start this thread was total bullshit published by folks with an extreme anti-Israel bias.

What I would recommend before you post something regarding anything happening on the other side of the world and then express an opinion is that you go there first and see for yourself, thereby saving yourself the dubious experience of being just another conduit for a lie. 😎

Any human reasonable person who follows this issue surely must sense the injustice of keeping a people imprisoned in these places.

What kind of life is it when one can't leave or enter the areas where they are forced to live, without being given permission? On top of that, when their imprisonment becomes unbearable and when they protest out of sheer frustration, due to conditions that can only be imagined by those not subjected to such treatment, they are used as ginny pigs for testing the latest crowd control weapons.

Toda raba 😁

It just becomes really frustrating reading a lot of totally inaccurate, downright lying, mega-biased bullshit reported by anti-Israel media on a daily basis and knowing that a lot of useful idiots are eating it up as though it was even remotely related to the truth, then having these same people turn their backs when a number of third world dictatorships with murderous, oppressive, political prisoner torturing governments who somehow sit on the U.N. "Human Rights" Commission condemn Israel for the "crime" of self defense; while the people whose "cause" they champion are just like they are -- oppressive, murderous and allowing of zero "human rights" among their own people.

These know-nothings who trumpet the pterodactyl feces they read in biased media are as much a part of the propaganda chain and therefore as much a threat to peace and stability as a tango who blows himself up in a nursery school, and every bit as complicit.

This article shouldn't surprise anyone who has been following Israel's actions. However, the point being made that Israel is imbolden in its egregious actions because of the Trump Presidency isn't an imagined one.

Not only are the Palestinians being shit on, but the Jewish Lobby is also attempting to crap on America's First Amendment. There's a push for America's legislators to create a law making it illegal to protest Israel's actions, when-and-if participating in the BDS boycott movement. The punishment, if a law is enacted, is a fine and prison time.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/07/31/with-criticism-crushed-in-the-west-israel-can-enjoy-its-impunity/

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/in-america-the-right-to-boycott-israel-is-under-threat-1.5457148

Wow, what a slanted article!! You notice it goes only to the Palestine side. Here is what was left out. Are the Israelis heavily armed? Many always are, it's called survival. They didn't mention Hezbollah and the Palestinians lobbing rockets into Israel killing innocent women and children. While the Israeli children go to school (some semblance of normal life) but with armed guards, Palestinian kids are learning to be killers. "Palestinians being shit on?" Well, they really should have expected repercussions from the over 50 years of trying to slaughter the Israelis and ignoring their invitations to peace talks. After the last one Netanyahu said, "The gloves are off." So they aren't the innocents you think.

Ha'aretz is Israel's left wing newspaper, sort of like our own NYT, and they spew nothing but anti-conservative drivel on every level.

It's pitiful that letftists, to pursue their own dubious agendas, ignore the real causes of problems wherever it's convenient in order to condemn those who would truly fix the problems if given enough leeway to do so.

The "Palestinian" leadership, especially in Gaza, is infinitely more "oppressing" of their own people, including "small," "insignificant" items like censorship, brutal imprisonment and torture, they are more responsible for poverty and disease among their own people than the Israelis could ever be, but their warlike agenda of pushing out the Jews dictates that they promote misery and blame it on Israel.

Their propaganda works really well on profoundly stupid, gullible western "liberals" who remain utterly clueless as to the true state of affairs over there and therefore support the terrorists of Hamas, Islamic Jihad and others by ignoring reality and focusing on bullshit.

Just out of curiosity, have you ever spent any time in Israel?

Wow, what a slanted article!! You notice it goes only to the Palestine side. Here is what was left out. Are the Israelis heavily armed? Many always are, it's called survival. They didn't mention Hezbollah and the Palestinians lobbing rockets into Israel killing innocent women and children. While the Israeli children go to school (some semblance of normal life) but with armed guards, Palestinian kids are learning to be killers. "Palestinians being shit on?" Well, they really should have expected repercussions from the over 50 years of trying to slaughter the Israelis and ignoring their invitations to peace talks. After the last one Netanyahu said, "The gloves are off." So they aren't the innocents you think.

You know, there really is a large difference, in an awful lot of instances, between what the mainstream media (and I'm talking that of both Europe and the U.S.) reports and the actual realities on the ground.

Having worked in Israel, Pakistan and a few real shitholes, then read what the MSM has to say, I can assure you that all you're getting is political bias. In many cases, the "reporters" who file the stories are supplying second hand information because either they don't have the balls to set foot in certain area deemed highly dangerous or government authorities, ours or locals, won't permit them in. Somehow that never seems to figure into their stories. Often what they "report" is hearsay from sources with some political axe or other to grind.

Then, of course, there is their news venue's own political biases and other factors. Our own mainstream media, for example, deals with a Democratic Party that will not tolerate any reporting that contradicts their party line; in some cases, reporting the truth could find a news company "on the outs" with the very party they support.

That said, having been to some countries and done work in a field that's pretty much inside certain issues that make the news, I've found much of the MSM accounts regarding events in those places to be less than accurate.

Now, in addition to having been there myself when I was 17 and again s couple of times in the first 12 years of this century, I have a number of relatives of Polish descent, a "wing" of my family from my grandmother's side, who have been living in Israel since the late 1940s. They have been soldiers, business people, kibbutzniks, tradesmen and one was a professor at the University of Tel Aviv. When I was there working, I took time to get together with some of those in my relative age group, their children and grandchildren and we talked a lot about "goings-on" there.

To be perfectly blunt and speaking as someone who has been there and worked with Israeli security people, specifically, in part, Shabak (what you may know as the Shin Beth, the General Security Service) what you posted to start this thread was total bullshit published by folks with an extreme anti-Israel bias.

What I would recommend before you post something regarding anything happening on the other side of the world and then express an opinion is that you go there first and see for yourself, thereby saving yourself the dubious experience of being just another conduit for a lie. 😎

You know, there really is a large difference, in an awful lot of instances, between what the mainstream media (and I'm talking that of both Europe and the U.S.) reports and the actual realities on the ground.

Having worked in Israel, Pakistan and a few real shitholes, then read what the MSM has to say, I can assure you that all you're getting is political bias. In many cases, the "reporters" who file the stories are supplying second hand information because either they don't have the balls to set foot in certain area deemed highly dangerous or government authorities, ours or locals, won't permit them in. Somehow that never seems to figure into their stories. Often what they "report" is hearsay from sources with some political axe or other to grind.

Then, of course, there is their news venue's own political biases and other factors. Our own mainstream media, for example, deals with a Democratic Party that will not tolerate any reporting that contradicts their party line; in some cases, reporting the truth could find a news company "on the outs" with the very party they support.

That said, having been to some countries and done work in a field that's pretty much inside certain issues that make the news, I've found much of the MSM accounts regarding events in those places to be less than accurate.

Now, in addition to having been there myself when I was 17 and again s couple of times in the first 12 years of this century, I have a number of relatives of Polish descent, a "wing" of my family from my grandmother's side, who have been living in Israel since the late 1940s. They have been soldiers, business people, kibbutzniks, tradesmen and one was a professor at the University of Tel Aviv. When I was there working, I took time to get together with some of those in my relative age group, their children and grandchildren and we talked a lot about "goings-on" there.

To be perfectly blunt and speaking as someone who has been there and worked with Israeli security people, specifically, in part, Shabak (what you may know as the Shin Beth, the General Security Service) what you posted to start this thread was total bullshit published by folks with an extreme anti-Israel bias. What I would recommend before you post something regarding anything happening on the other side of the world and then express an opinion is that you go there first and see for yourself, thereby saving yourself the dubious experience of being just another conduit for a lie. 😎

No, I haven't been to Israel. I suppose it depends on what one wants to believe, but there are presently laws in Germany against protesting against Israel. Perhaps other European countries, as well. I don't think it's a stretch of the imagination that the same types of laws are being talked about, by the Jewish Lobby, here in the US.

Accusing the Palestinians of causing their own misery just to present a picture of being persecuted is a bit of a stretch. Also, just because one is a liberal doesn't mean they automatically lie.

I also think there are too many accounts of the type of treatment being dished out by the IDF against the people held in those little more than outdoor prisons, to be ignored.

Perhaps, you can provide some material to back up your positions of the treatment dished out by Palestinian leadership against their own people.