Radiance3

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I am caught in surprise. I am not fooling you. Much more God. What dishonesty are you talking about? Can you please specify. As far as I am concerned, everything I've said has been sincere and honest otherwise, I won't waste my time having this lengthy conversation with you.

Your perceptions of what I believe are the opposite of mine, reasons why you become defensive. I understand we have a 180 degree variance which is very difficult to reconcile because your theory and belief system has deeply embedded in your mind and heart. I though I could sway you to something towards God's love. Do you have hope at all?

I believe when you care for someone, honesty is most important so you could nourish and nurture the relationship to fruition. I would appreciate if you could please specify something that misled you. Perhaps I could explain what was not clear to you.

You know being dishonest is one way of violating God's command which says: "Thou shall not bear false witness against they neighbor, number 8th command.

Talk to you later about your music.

Singularity

Too much wine?

You went on about my Priest friend being in some 1%age disgraced group of your imagination, not knowing him. Understanding the honest truth of the Catholic Clergy pedophilia problem, I explained there was no hint of disgrace or dishonor about the gentleman. I felt honor bound to defend him after your rant about bad priests.

Also, I hope you see the dishonesty to promote a slogan is true when not in fact. You know I don't believe in God. How could it be true that WE trust in God. You trust in God. But it is dishonest to try to believe or claim it is true of all. You keep wanting it to be true in some special sense because you like to see it? If you believe it, why do you need the constant reminder?

I trust in the truth of what I can rationally believe and sit in wonder and joy, occasionally abject terror, but never a dull moment as the only life I have confidence I can experience unfolds as I take it tooth and nail, and experience it as fully and ravenously as I possibly can.

Again, I know you are busy and I am responding ahead of you. I need to rest and recover from mowing grass this morning. I will let you have a pleasant dinner, perhaps check back at bedtime. Or as you please, of course.

I am chiding, not condemning about the lack of honest congruence in your assertions. It is the mythical God who condemns.

Radiance3

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Statistics have emerged that many who have deep faith in God, addiction to that demon opioid epidemics have been healed.
https://www.hhs.gov/blog/2018/09/17/bringing-hope-and-healing-in-the-midst-of-the-opioid-crisis.html

Even doctors believe that faith in God heals.

Re: Your music seem to have a mix of resentment. Hatred and sins, broken marriage, signified that ring. Why did that all end in pain, suffering, and hatred? Why?

I listened to your music and here is my take.
Had you listened to the love of God, all those could have vanished, I am certain about that. Your marriage perhaps could have happy ending. But that demon addiction had ruined his life and yours to the point of no return. The Satanic influence is so strong in you if you insist staying that way.

I am sorry. I care and love all human being but very little I can do, if they are not willing to change for good.

May peace be with you.

Singularity

Okay one more reply since I'm too stiff to sleep, but too tired to cook. Pizza at the door in 45 minutes. Papa Murfey. Will cook it later and eat some fresh hot at the best point for my appetite!

My point of the first music is that in the silence and disconnection that creeps in when one focuses one's conversation inward, neglecting outward exploration, well eventually, in that distance one imagines Badlands and demons and hobgoblins. And by bravely connecting, taking one's hands, taking one's arms, reaching, teaching, a richer truer harmony can be reached and taught. And more often than not the demons we glimpse in the dark at a distance may turn out to just be grumpy kitty's or sleepy bunnies.

Second song, my point isthe true monsters give plenty of warning, we just often love someone too much to trust our senses and heed the warnings. "MY WHAT BIG TEETH YOU HAVE, GRANNY" said Red Riding Hood..

Ya know? So I end up in my kitchen, not making a sandwich and a gun barrel fills my visual field. Stopped living in fantasy and faced reality. Its been slow going at times, but I'm trusting the process.

This second song by same author was also a defense of this man the artist, separate and before my defense of my neighborhood priest. He has a powerful ministry, is a man of faith. I admire the discipline he exudes. Willing to give up his years long wearing of the weird jewelry to improve his reach. I am mostly uneasy around undisciplined men. So few seem even truly housebroken, lol.

By the time my ex husband set his feet back on the ground and headed home, I had taken the children to safety. The ring and the lighted window belonged to his next victim by then. And I had accepted him back too many times to trust that happy ending scene. I was attending Mass daily and taking classes to be baptized and confirmed at that time. Praying to be granted faith. My response to a request to make an affirmation, "Father, by faith I accept your assertion." Lukewarm, nauseating. Father was fine with it. In all honesty he might be a tad hard of hearing.

As my children's father's recovery has progressed over the years, we do connect. Talked to him today about a need of one of our sons.

I was not aware of your inclination towards softer gentler music. When you said that and I said uh oh..... I was worried you might not like it, but my point was the people he ministers to would not find his appearance unusual or worrisome. Like your Jesus, not everyone who hangs out with strange looking people is a similar miscreant. I guess maybe I'm trying to tell you I understand we both feel the rougher edge of each others judgement from time to time and we don't know one another well enough to predict ahead of time. Thankfully you are trying to be gracious and ask for explanations instead of "Shock and Awe" attacks as sometimes happens with some people.

And it is progress, not perfection to which we may rationally aspire!

I hope the last musical selection suits you for relaxation.

Here is another example of disciplined expression.

The broken hallelujah is my theme song.

https://youtu.be/LRP8d7hhpoQ

Singularity

And here is another more emotional, but softer version of the same song.

https://youtu.be/P_NpxTWbovE

AHO-C

The National Anthem is about an occurrence that happened in 1812, transcribed into a poem called 'Defence of Fort McHenry' in 1814, set to lyrics to a tune that was originally written in 1771 and re-named the Star Spangled Banner, was recognized for official use by the Navy in 1889, then by Woodrow Wilson in 1916, and finally codified as the National Anthem in 1931, Contains the following phrases in the 4th and closing stanza of our anthem:
"O, thus be it ever when freemen shall stand,
Between their lov'd homes and the war's desolation;
Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the heav'n-rescued land
Praise the Pow'r that hath made and preserv'd us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust"
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
My advice...quit whining !!! You don't want to be part of the 'We' ...then don't ....you don't believe in God...then don't....BUT your personal lack of faith does not translate into a 'truth crisis' of monumental proportions in the USA ....Incidentally, God is not mentioned in the US Constitution....but ironically God or some other reference to a deity is included in every State Constitution....So a 'Motto' is not a Government law, nor is it a lie ( ie a false statement made with a deliberate intent to deceive )....Good Luck, stay healthy. I'm leaving it fuzzy ( because by definition Faith is fuzzy) or worse....I'm a religious fanatic bent on saying you are condemned to hell ....whatever you wish....Your quarrel is not with me ....nor do I care that you are playing a high stakes game of 'Eternity Poker' with what you perceive is the Winning Hand... remember stay true to your beliefs ...and don't blink or fold when you throw down your cards for the last hand of your life and ALL your chips are on the table...and the Dealer ,who you really can't make out visually, says ....'The House Always Wins....We never argue about God!!'

Cochise (Chief) 1812 - 1874 Apache:[b] We never quarrel about the Great Spirit.[/b]

Radiance3

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Well done AHO. I hope Sing will have the opportunity to explain her side concerning her lack of faith and confidence in Our God We Trust. Does that indicate she does not want to be part of our independence? With whom is she going to associate?

"The Declaration of our Independence" stated in most paragraph that the Founders relied in God's blessings as they separated from the mother-land.

Here is an excerpt.
"When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. "

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

No.

Only you would know that.

How about it?

Glad tidings from South Dakota, why would I be angry?

What is?

No, I don't think I obfuscated.

Say what?

debeda

Sounds like south Dakota is KICKING it!! Hurrah for their governor

debeda

debeda

TRUE STORY

Singularity

Aren't you an unpleasant piece of work!?

And to the rest of you as well, . .

I believe you totally understand my argument and my work is done. I chide you for your inconsistant assertions, but if you don't want to meet the discussion honestly, I have no quarrel and we can talk music or something else or move on each as we wish. It is the god who condemns. Bearing false witness of me by implying I or other people who don't agree with you actually somehow do, is one of its big ten.

If you don't feel your dishonest in wanting to assert a lie of unity of trusting opinion and it isnt a problem, I will leave it between you and your God and its hellfire condemnation. You could repent, I suppose, but doesn't seem likely.

Blade, you admit you know I don't believe. I don't trust in God either; that would be logically absurd, now wouldn't it, Blade?

So, logically, you would know the person, like you, Blade, who asserts the positive belief that WE trust in God, if that group contains individuals they definitely know, like me, who do not believe, therefore cannot possibly trust in God, bears false witness.

Right, Blade? Nod your head. Thanks.

The fact that I believe you know I'm right will give me pleasure every time I imagine you wince inwardly and think of me. Every single time you see that motto for the rest of your born days. You will think of me, and wince inwardly at your dishonesty or scratch your head and reassure yourself that you believe I'm wrong. But you will think of me. Every time. For the rest of your born days.

Try not to.

I'm done.

Singularity

You've created a strawman argument, Radbot. Don't worry, they rarely threaten any one and come a good strong wind, it will all blow down and be done with. Hope you pass a pleasant evening.

This is a lullaby, very sweet, by the deep bass singer from the a Capella group earlier.

https://youtu.be/xlppyBJhLnc

AHO-C

Exactly, belief in a deity is one of the tenets essential to the success and propagation of the Human Race...prior to modern medicine and even well before the birth of Jesus it was the norm for tribes to have codes governing behavior,sanitation, respect for people, their deity, and morals.
God is not a new concept that was developed by and is exclusive to the USA...Although the USA is unique in its allowance for Freedom of Religion ....which also includes having no religion at all !!
The Government cannot prevent you from practicing your religion nor does it tell you that you cannot be an atheist....However, being a Judeo-Christian Country it is to be expected that there will be open displays of Judeo-Christian ideals.
I never hear atheists complain about Islam which by definition encompasses ALL countries where Muslims are the dominant 'Religion'...in fact where the Roman Catholic Church and the various Protestant denominations are Religions and may try to convert people...they are not referred to as the Nation of ( Name your denomination)....the Nation of Islam on the other hand is an actual Political entity...where obedience by everyone to Sharia Law is required....and Sharia Law is as strict or loose as each individual judge determines it to be.
Atheists always seem to focus on Christians because they know that Christianity requires a voluntary compliance and at most Christians will actually love and forgive those that belittle their beliefs the most ....At the least a Christian will tolerate those that mock them ....In both instances a Christian will pray for those who are non-believers.
Me, on the other hand, fail in both of those requisites far too often and I will fall into the sin of benign neglect...feeling that neither enlightenment nor an epiphany can be gleaned from any of my words and I only hope that just before their final moment of 'Human' life they experience the intense love and peace that awaits them...if they only give Him the chance...for God is all loving and will accept you if you will just allow yourself to love Him....it is not a 'Pride' thing with God, it is more a mutual experience of Creator and created experiencing the pinnacle of the existence he had always planned for you and Him to share with all the others that were saved.

AHO-C

Actually, I'm AHO-C ....not Blade.....but for what it's worth,I'm perfectly fine with you being an Atheist....I have enough 'fun' just trying to be a decent person without thinking I can change your mind about anything.....Heck!! I can't even change my own mind before I get in trouble !!
But I'll tell you one thing ....I will think about you quite a bit for at least the next 24 hours and hope you relax a little ....think about the Cosmos and Carl Sagan/ Stephen Hawkings/ other atheists and stay in your 'true conviction ' zone.....Relax a little, you take life and anonymous criticism too seriously.
If it makes you feel better and release some steam you can lash out at me anytime ...feel free to call me anything you want....please do not let anything on this site bother you as much as I seem to have ticked you off. It was not my intent to have you go 'Full Hulk' with anything I said.
Look at my picture talk about pathetic !!

This is my good smile !!