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Jul 23, 2019 13:40:10   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Lonewolf wrote:
I'm sorry for that first sentence I'll try again.
The point I was trying to make is our bombing just causes more hatred.
We see ourselves as the knight on a white horse charging in to save the day, that is what I thought as a child. That was when the good guys wore white hats and bad guys black!
At best they tolerate us , because of the arms and equipment we provife!

As to oc talking about reducing military spending I'm not sure I very well might agree with her! Let me ask you something the dept of the navy decided to mothball a aircraft carrier
Because its no longer needed it! And was also not building any new ones.
Then trump orders that the ship not be mothballed but return to service and then ordered a new one built??????
Personally I trust the navy to know what they need!
There's money that could be cut I have no doubt trump has a friend at electric boat or Newport news!
I enjoy your posts and know once in awhile I'm wrong!
I'm sorry for that first sentence I'll try again. ... (show quote)


Navy mothballed ships is not really what a civilian envisions. Those ships are called the "mothballed fleet", which if you know history was very important in the Korean conflict. Had it not been for those ships, we would have had a much more difficult time in the Pacific and the conflict probably would have ended differently. In this category, in Bremerton the Navy has 18 to 21 Perry-class frigates, a pair of older Ticonderoga-class cruisers, and a handful of old amphibious ships. Pearl Harbor has five amphibious ships, and what appears to be a pair of old fleet-support ships, likely oilers or ammunition ships. The Ticonderogas are likely the ships being cannibalized, as there are still approximately 22 newer versions of the cruisers still in service. When this fleet was established, the thought was they could be put back into service during emergencies. This count is way down from the hundreds of ships in mothball during the cold war. Do not confuse these ships with the Navy Reserve, these ships will be slowly eaten by other in-service ships/boats. The cost to rehabilitate these ships would be greater than buying modernized equipment, abating the asbestos and lead paint alone would cost several million dollars. The reason the Kitty Hawk, I assume this is the one you had in mind, was put on the dismantle list ... she simply was not safe.... so she will be dismantled and recycled. We only have 288 ships (all classes) that cover the entire world..... If we engaged in another WWII type of situation, we would not control the water, although we would still dominate the sky. The Navy has requested funding for ships, by 2030 they hope to have 355 or 67 more boats. Most have been funded so no need to request more funds until those ships begin to roll out and then there will be "add on" to flesh them out to current needs that will be determined or unknown facts at this time.

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Jul 23, 2019 13:47:01   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
Lonewolf wrote:
I'm sorry for that first sentence I'll try again.
The point I was trying to make is our bombing just causes more hatred.
We see ourselves as the knight on a white horse charging in to save the day, that is what I thought as a child. That was when the good guys wore white hats and bad guys black!
At best they tolerate us , because of the arms and equipment we provife!

As to oc talking about reducing military spending I'm not sure I very well might agree with her! Let me ask you something the dept of the navy decided to mothball a aircraft carrier
Because its no longer needed it! And was also not building any new ones.
Then trump orders that the ship not be mothballed but return to service and then ordered a new one built??????
Personally I trust the navy to know what they need!
There's money that could be cut I have no doubt trump has a friend at electric boat or Newport news!
I enjoy your posts and know once in awhile I'm wrong!
I'm sorry for that first sentence I'll try again. ... (show quote)


It wasn't ordered by the Navy, it and the 2nd fleet were deactivated by Obama. Trump just had the Navy activate that fleet once again, in 2018, to protect the East Coast. Personally you don't know who ordered the fleet mothballed. You should check for your facts before posting your BS.

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Jul 23, 2019 14:04:48   #
Lonewolf
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Navy mothballed ships is not really what a civilian envisions. Those ships are called the "mothballed fleet", which if you know history was very important in the Korean conflict. Had it not been for those ships, we would have had a much more difficult time in the Pacific and the conflict probably would have ended differently. In this category, in Bremerton the Navy has 18 to 21 Perry-class frigates, a pair of older Ticonderoga-class cruisers, and a handful of old amphibious ships. Pearl Harbor has five amphibious ships, and what appears to be a pair of old fleet-support ships, likely oilers or ammunition ships. The Ticonderogas are likely the ships being cannibalized, as there are still approximately 22 newer versions of the cruisers still in service. When this fleet was established, the thought was they could be put back into service during emergencies. This count is way down from the hundreds of ships in mothball during the cold war. Do not confuse these ships with the Navy Reserve, these ships will be slowly eaten by other in-service ships/boats. The cost to rehabilitate these ships would be greater than buying modernized equipment, abating the asbestos and lead paint alone would cost several million dollars. The reason the Kitty Hawk, I assume this is the one you had in mind, was put on the dismantle list ... she simply was not safe.... so she will be dismantled and recycled. We only have 288 ships (all classes) that cover the entire world..... If we engaged in another WWII type of situation, we would not control the water, although we would still dominate the sky. The Navy has requested funding for ships, by 2030 they hope to have 355 or 67 more boats. Most have been funded so no need to request more funds until those ships begin to roll out and then there will be "add on" to flesh them out to current needs that will be determined or unknown facts at this time.
Navy mothballed ships is not really what a civilia... (show quote)


I am familiar with most of this I worked for the electric boat on the first trident sub.
I was also stationed at the Pihalelpa navy yard which had many old ships.
What I was referring to was trump wanted a new aircraft carrier and the Navy said they didn't need one and was going to decommission the Truman!
trump ordered a new carrier and stopped the decommission on the Truman that he wants to be refitted
and put back in service. So as I see it the Navy will have two carriers it doesn't want like the Army got tanks it didn't want.

https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2019/05/01/trump-reverses-his-own-aircraft-carrier-policy-takes-a-victory-lap/

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Jul 23, 2019 14:10:13   #
Lonewolf
 
Louie27 wrote:
It wasn't ordered by the Navy, it and the 2nd fleet were deactivated by Obama. Trump just had the Navy activate that fleet once again, in 2018, to protect the East Coast. Personally you don't know who ordered the fleet mothballed. You should check for your facts before posting your BS.


look close your not on this topic no one has mentioned mothballing a fleet. We are talking about one ship the Truman and the new one trump ordered but thanks for the hate!

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Jul 23, 2019 14:23:47   #
GmanTerry
 
Lonewolf wrote:
It was on the news not sure what station


If it was CNN, NBC, MSNBC, ABC or CBS it was fake news.

Semper Fi

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Jul 23, 2019 14:28:00   #
Lonewolf
 
GmanTerry wrote:
If it was CNN, NBC, MSNBC, ABC or CBS it was fake news.

Semper Fi


why don't you look it up yourself or listen to trump when he talk sense.

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Jul 23, 2019 14:38:26   #
promilitary
 
proud republican wrote:
https://tatersgonnatate.com/warbird/?fbclid=IwAR1zcskgyxbwM3RldlXAsBT41CnZa31MRcpj8ANk0eX3WrwzcycILi1NM6Q

She needs to spend some time in the military before opening her big fricking mouth!!!!




This nutball bitch needs to get her head out.......our soldiers who are protecting her right to
be an idiot and make about $464 PER FRIGGIN" DAY

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Jul 23, 2019 14:39:34   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
promilitary wrote:
This nutball bitch needs to get her head out.......our soldiers who are protecting her right to
be an idiot and make about $464 PER FRIGGIN" DAY



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Jul 23, 2019 14:42:20   #
Lonewolf
 
promilitary wrote:
This nutball bitch needs to get her head out.......our soldiers who are protecting her right to
be an idiot and make about $464 PER FRIGGIN" DAY


this post is not about OC do who's the idiot

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Jul 23, 2019 14:42:52   #
promilitary
 
proud republican wrote:
https://tatersgonnatate.com/warbird/?fbclid=IwAR1zcskgyxbwM3RldlXAsBT41CnZa31MRcpj8ANk0eX3WrwzcycILi1NM6Q

She needs to spend some time in the military before opening her big fricking mouth!!!!



You are right. Send her to Fort Leonard Wood, MO.....but wait till January! She doesn't have to
actually take basic training; just live with these men and women in the barracks, or in a tent or
wherever they find to rest, and eat with them and shower with them and pull KP duty and clean the toilettes and follow them around every step, every minute of the day.....and night. That includes going through the infiltration course....if they still have that. This snowflake definitely needs re-educating.

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Jul 23, 2019 14:47:22   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
Lonewolf wrote:
this post is not about OC do who's the idiot


This thread is about dingbat AOC talking shit about our brave military men and women!!!..She need to STFU!!!..That ungrateful Bitch!!!

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Jul 23, 2019 14:48:34   #
Lonewolf
 
promilitary wrote:
You are right. Send her to Fort Leonard Wood, MO.....but wait till January! She doesn't have to
actually take basic training; just live with these men and women in the barracks, or in a tent or
wherever they find to rest, and eat with them and shower with them and pull KP duty and clean the toilettes and follow them around every step, every minute of the day.....and night. That includes going through the infiltration course....if they still have that. This snowflake definitely needs re-educating.
You are right. Send her to Fort Leonard Wood, MO.... (show quote)


what happens if she has bone spurs or pays a dr to write that she does just like trump did 5 times

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Jul 23, 2019 14:50:06   #
Lonewolf
 
go to the top this thread it is about aircraft carriers

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Jul 23, 2019 15:19:09   #
Djr2524
 
Checking into this alleged statement by OAC, you will find there is no evidence she ever made it.
Go to Snopes.com and start there.
If you find verifiable evidence she said it please post your source, otherwise it would be better for all of us to not spread or comment about false information.
Thank you

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Jul 23, 2019 15:22:32   #
Lonewolf
 
Djr2524 wrote:
Checking into this alleged statement by OAC, you will find there is no evidence she ever made it.
Go to Snopes.com and start there.
If you find verifiable evidence she said it please post your source, otherwise, it would be better for all of us to not spread or comment about false information.
Thank you


thank you

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