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Apr 3, 2014 11:09:03   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
skott wrote:
Hey forgot one of my favorite principles: You don't judge yourself when you die, God does.

Absolutely true. And everyone should remember that with every breath they take. Most do not.

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Apr 3, 2014 11:30:38   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
skott wrote:
That was about Jesus getting water at a well by a girl from a different tribe. It was considered sinful. It's hard to read the bible if you think it talks about today, when the meanings were different when it was written. That's the strong suit of the Catholic church. I was Baptist growing up. I was told drinking was not allowed, and dancing was not allowed. Neither of those are scriptural.
I have plenty of principles. They just may be different than yours. Honesty is a principle for me, I am just too honest for most people. I believe that science tends to fit with the bible, its not against it unless you are misinterpreting it. I believe that politically we should work together instead of acting like our country works best when everyone is just for themselves. What are your principles?
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My principles?
I don't lie, cheat, or steal.
I try to be totally honest with myself.
I believe in personal responsibility. Life for my birth family was hard, and we learned how valuable good things actually are.
I believe individual freedoms are one of the few things worth fighting for.
I don't believe the Constitution should change with the times. I believe the times should change for the Constitution. Why mess with what isn't broken?
I believe in the Golden Rule and follow it in fact: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
I don't claim to be what I am not.
I believe many things in our nation are unconstitutional, but I still obey unconstitutional laws, and I hate myself every time I do it.
I am a strong defender of innocent life, and I believe in the death penalty for criminals who have done heinous crimes.
If I've missed something, I'll let you know.

Oh, I definitely believe in evolution. It is a fact, provable. What I do NOT believe is that people evolved from apes. What neither scientists nor religious people seem to see is that evolution is our Creator's creation. Same as the planets, the solar system, etc. If God wills it, it is THERE! Be of good cheer, skott. Life is good, sometimes hard, but good. And it is short. Make the most of it!!!

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Apr 3, 2014 11:41:21   #
skott Loc: Bama
 
Tasine wrote:
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My principles?
I don't lie, cheat, or steal.
I try to be totally honest with myself.
I believe in personal responsibility. Life for my birth family was hard, and we learned how valuable good things actually are.
I believe individual freedoms are one of the few things worth fighting for.
I don't believe the Constitution should change with the times. I believe the times should change for the Constitution. Why mess with what isn't broken?
I believe in the Golden Rule and follow it in fact: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
I don't claim to be what I am not.
I believe many things in our nation are unconstitutional, but I still obey unconstitutional laws, and I hate myself every time I do it.
I am a strong defender of innocent life, and I believe in the death penalty for criminals who have done heinous crimes.
If I've missed something, I'll let you know.

Oh, I definitely believe in evolution. It is a fact, provable. What I do NOT believe is that people evolved from apes. What neither scientists nor religious people seem to see is that evolution is our Creator's creation. Same as the planets, the solar system, etc. If God wills it, it is THERE! Be of good cheer, skott. Life is good, sometimes hard, but good. And it is short. Make the most of it!!!
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Seeing evolution as God's path is the Catholic view. Officially from the church. I agree with most of what you listed, but I believe we have to support our poor. I've been to countries where they don't, and we do not want to live that way.
We share about 98% of our genes with apes and about 95% with turtles. We are similar, but not necessarily evolved directly from either.
I like people who don't believe in evolution, but get a flu shot every year. Are they lying to themselves or to me?

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Apr 3, 2014 12:27:56   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
ginnyt wrote:
Times change. At the time the bible was written, slavery was an acceptable normal part of life. God did not create us to stagnate in our growth. He made us with the ability to think, to mature, and evolve in his love. Had He intended for us to stay primitive, then he would have created us without the ability to discern good from evil. But, he created us with free will, ability to think and reason, the ability to grow and understand His laws. We are still children, we have not learned everything and still have much growing to do. In a thousand years, do you think that it is possible for humans to look back on this time and ponder how barbaric it is to wage war? How about advancement in medicine, do you think that we will develop ways to cure diseases such as Aids and consider our present methods as akin to practicing witchcraft? Do you think that they may think that abortion may be considered a horrendous act committed against children or even might see it as primitive sacrifice to a god called selfishness? And might it be possible that many of the laws and taxes we endure may be viewed as a form of slavery?
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Apr 3, 2014 12:32:44   #
skott Loc: Bama
 
ginnyt wrote:
Times change. At the time the bible was written, slavery was an acceptable normal part of life. God did not create us to stagnate in our growth. He made us with the ability to think, to mature, and evolve in his love. Had He intended for us to stay primitive, then he would have created us without the ability to discern good from evil. But, he created us with free will, ability to think and reason, the ability to grow and understand His laws. We are still children, we have not learned everything and still have much growing to do. In a thousand years, do you think that it is possible for humans to look back on this time and ponder how barbaric it is to wage war? How about advancement in medicine, do you think that we will develop ways to cure diseases such as Aids and consider our present methods as akin to practicing witchcraft? Do you think that they may think that abortion may be considered a horrendous act committed against children or even might see it as primitive sacrifice to a god called selfishness? And might it be possible that many of the laws and taxes we endure may be viewed as a form of slavery?
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I think being able to sell someone else's child is real slavery, not having to pay taxes. We need real perspective in this country. I think in the future people will continue to pay taxes and complain about it.

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Apr 3, 2014 12:46:02   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
skott wrote:
Seeing evolution as God's path is the Catholic view. Officially from the church. I agree with most of what you listed, but I believe we have to support our poor. I've been to countries where they don't, and we do not want to live that way.
We share about 98% of our genes with apes and about 95% with turtles. We are similar, but not necessarily evolved directly from either.
I like people who don't believe in evolution, but get a flu shot every year. Are they lying to themselves or to me?


Oh, I am definitely in favor of helping the poor. Help comes in various ways; however, and I believe individuals should help others as they see fit - not as some bureaucrat sees fit. For instance, when we moved into this house, it needed a LOT of emergency work. We hired unemployed men to do what they were competent to do. My partner even taught one of them how to lay ceramic tile properly - now that young man has an opportunity to earn a decent living without having to lead a hand to mouth life. I pay the gal who cleans my house $15.00 an hour and would pay more if I could. I pay her this much because I know her family needs all the additional income they can acquire. I also recommended her to a friend who also hired her. THIS is what I call help - not confining people to welfare roles. Color me obstinate, but please do not confuse "help" with "charity" or the "public dole". The public dole has NOTHING to do with "help" - it consigns people to a lifetime of feeling inadequate.

Flue shots? NOT I!!!! Haven't had one since 1962. Knock on wood - I never get the flu any more.

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Apr 3, 2014 13:18:37   #
She Wolf Loc: Currently Georgia
 
skott wrote:
According to you conservatives on this sight, if I can find it in the bible then it must be good. Well I have a problem with that. It's called slavery. The bible seems to be for it. It tells us how to treat our slaves. I think our society has changed in the last few thousand years and slavery is evil. How can you love others as you love yourself, and be allowed to sell their children. Maybe the bible should not be our only source for morality.


We have slavery in this country. It's called minimum wage. We never abolished slavery, we just changed masters.

If you work for a major corporation you are a slave. Your masters are the stock holders and the inbred children of the rich.

Most large fortunes in this country were amassed by crime.

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Apr 3, 2014 13:28:00   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
She Wolf wrote:
We have slavery in this country. It's called minimum wage. We never abolished slavery, we just changed masters.

If you work for a major corporation you are a slave. Your masters are the stock holders and the inbred children of the rich.

Most large fortunes in this country were amassed by crime.


Like the Kennedy's?

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Apr 3, 2014 13:36:52   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Old_Gringo wrote:
Like the Kennedy's?


And the Rockefellers, Heinze, Vanderbilts, Soros, Fords, etc.

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Apr 3, 2014 13:45:24   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
Tasine wrote:
And the Rockefellers, Heinze, Vanderbilts, Soros, Fords, etc.


Are you referencing Henry Ford? If so, what did he do that was illegal? I really don't know.

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Apr 3, 2014 14:22:36   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Old_Gringo wrote:
Are you referencing Henry Ford? If so, what did he do that was illegal? I really don't know.


I wasn't think about the illegal factor - just got going on families with money. Just ignore me today - brain not altogether on track today. Ford not a criminal as far as I know. He did the country a great service. Too bad he's gone.

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Apr 3, 2014 22:35:08   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Okay. I am sure that you are one of those individuals that has decided not to move on, you pack the garbage from your past and those dating all the way back to when time started and lug it with you each step into the future. You probably would be able to walk with a lighter heart and mind if you could find a way to deal with your problems, yes it is your problem. I do not take responsibility for what has or will happen to you and your people. So, you want to always live in the past and feel sorry for yourself, go for it. No skin from my nose.

skott wrote:
I think being able to sell someone else's child is real slavery, not having to pay taxes. We need real perspective in this country. I think in the future people will continue to pay taxes and complain about it.

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Apr 4, 2014 08:48:35   #
skott Loc: Bama
 
ginnyt wrote:
Okay. I am sure that you are one of those individuals that has decided not to move on, you pack the garbage from your past and those dating all the way back to when time started and lug it with you each step into the future. You probably would be able to walk with a lighter heart and mind if you could find a way to deal with your problems, yes it is your problem. I do not take responsibility for what has or will happen to you and your people. So, you want to always live in the past and feel sorry for yourself, go for it. No skin from my nose.
Okay. I am sure that you are one of those individ... (show quote)


Ginnyt when you say me and my people, what are you assuming?

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Apr 4, 2014 10:48:03   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
I am assuming that you are a liberal and your people are those that think like you. Why? Did you assume something else? My entire point is,

1. Yesterday is gone. Nothing can change about what is gone. We can learn from it, but it should never rule how you act or behave today.

2. Tomorrow may never come. You should plan for it, take steps so tomorrow can be better than today. But, there is no assurance that you will live to see it.

3. Today, right this second is what you have. You can live it in fullness, laugh, love, and share those things with others. Or you can elect to look backward and cry because life was not fair yesterday or last year or even a hundred years ago. Or you can bank on a promise of a future that you can have no assurance will come.

God gave us ability to make decisions. We need to learn from past mistakes, learn how to live with one another, and do something right this second to make things better. We elected to eat of the tree of knowledge, therefore we know what is right and wrong. No excuses; you are capable of making the right moves. It is not what momma did or papa, it is not a bad teacher or anyone's else's decision, it is yours and yours alone. So, I am finished with paying for the past, those bad choices of the first settlers, for slave owners, for the A Bombs; I elect to be here now. Baggage should be packed lightly, with just what is needed.

skott wrote:
Ginnyt when you say me and my people, what are you assuming?

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Apr 4, 2014 10:52:10   #
trucksterbud
 
Tasine wrote:
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I don't believe most of us think the only source for morality is the Bible. But a goodly number of us think the Bible is a good source for morality, and personally I believe that morality, which I sometimes incorrectly term "Christianity", is the glue that held our country together for a couple of centuries. Now that so much corruption and evil has taken hold, our country is in its death throes. In other words, we are our worst enemy when we negate morality. We are destroying ourselves - not with poor eating habits, not with dangerous stunts, not with no health care, but with debauchery and sleaze.

Caveat: I am a conservative, not a Republican, and I am not a church goer or a Bible reader.
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I'm not going to take sides in this argument / conversation. However I will point out that while "Involuntary Servitude" (slavery) was outlawed in the US in the late 1800's, "Voluntary Servitude" was never outlawed (you declaring yourself a slave).... Soooo,
this is how it works. When you are born, the State issues a "Birth Certificate", or a "Certificate of Live Birth". You can look at your own to find out. As such, when you "Enter the Sea of Commerce" by "Live Birth", the international bankers now issue a certain $$$$ value to your life's efforts, from your first day on this world. After that, everything you do is taxed, monitored, controlled....... So by the very design of the system, from the "Criminally Insane" controllers at the top, down to the lowly IRS pisspots, you are considered to be "Chattel" or property of the international bankers. This was the basic reason for the war of 1812, King George of England wanted some form of chattel for his efforts in financing the new country, and he sent in the "Hessian" soldiers to confiscate the "Birth Certificates" of the people of the New America. After which they burnt down the Halls of Congress (this is all historical record). After which, the new politico of the day decided to build the new capitol building out of stone as then it couldn't be burnt down.

My point in all this, you and I have been "Slaves" and "Chattel" to the international bankers since birth, and this was done to you and I without our knowledge or consent - making it "INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE" of the highest order, thus rekindling the slavery discussion. And this is the basic reason that "WE" are considered to be "LESSER PERSONS" than an IRS agent (servant of the international bankers), or a police officer of one of the "Corporate Entity's" of the country and how this all plays into being controlled by "Roman Civil Law" instead of "Private International Law".....

Gordon Maxwell makes this point easier to understand, you can find his video's at www.GordonMaxwell.com or go to YouTube and type in Gordon Maxwell.

I've studied the Accepted for Value process, the Soverign Citizenship issue, the Corporate Citizen issue (what you are if you are a US Citizen - a slave to the corporation known as UNITED STATES, INC) and they all point to one thing - we are and always have been - slaves to the international money changers. Who are really the criminally insane rulers of this planet.

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