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Jul 4, 2019 22:18:53   #
JoyV
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Some people's dishonesty is getting out of control now, not that it wasn't out of control before.




When Trump say's, "I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.", obviously he means "I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by the FBI." according to some. While Trump has suggested he was joking, he has back peddled and suggested he wanted Russia to turn them over to the FBI, neither are really the case as is obvious to many.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfzVKTv1XvI (Wall Street Journal)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b71f2eYdTc (BBC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EZFBB-MntE (EuroNews)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1bck95XXu4 (Fox News)


Yeah, Trump Definitely DIDN'T say "I will tell you this, Russia: If you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing, I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.", did he? Obviously I was able to find no proof of that statement, as its evidenced by the four links I provided above.



And it would seem some appear to think that Putin wanted Hillary to win or had no preference and was solely trying to "sow chaos", which is a very valid assertion even though is isn't the whole truth. Yes, Putin wants to destroy confidence in our elections, this is true. Yes, Putin wants us to distrust election results and our elections process. Both of those will sow the seeds of chaos, distrust and animosity of opposing parties, But that is far from the whole story. Putin wanted trump to win for more than one reason and he even admitted to his preference, not to his direct and indirect actions to sway our 2016 elections, but merely admitted to his preference. Putin has a distrust and dislike for Hillary Clinton as SoS and that carries over to presidential candidate as her "agenda" would not change just because her title would have. Putin also wanted Trump to win for several reasons tied to Trump alone, I would list them here but I already know the response Trump supporters would have and I am not looking to listen to all that crying and denials.


https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/16/putin-trump-win-election-2016-722486

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ooeuJlU6UY (ITV)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDLudPA-Rdo (EWTN, Eternal Word Television Network, Catholic news channel, slogan: "The Global Catholic Network Live Truth. Live Catholic.")


Yes, obviously with all this evidence of Putin's own admissions, we have to assume that Putin wanted hillary to win as some fools like to think, right?
Some people's dishonesty is getting out of control... (show quote)


I was watching the rally where he said it. He said, "the FBI would love to get them!", or was it "have them!"

Putin may have wanted what the white paper our intelligence agencies put out BEFORE the uproar. It stated that Russia was attempting to so discord by sending false and negative information about both the democratic and republican candidates. But if they had to choose just one, it would be smart to pick the one already involved with questionable deals like Uranium One, which they could use over her if she decided to quit playing ball. She could have done like Obama and made a show of being tough and imposing sanctions which hurt American companies but did nothing against Russia.

But IF Putin wanted a back door secret deal with a US president, would he publicly praise the candidate and act buddy buddy? It would make things easy for us to get the upper hand with our enemies if they were that clueless. But nothing points to Putin being that dumb. In fact he is often called sly. Sly people use subterfuge and misdirection, which Putin has been known to do. But suddenly the left trusts Putin is honest and straightforward?

I made an error when I tried to post a quote without checking. It wasn't the FBI Trump said Putin should turn Hillary's missing emails to, but the press. His exact words were,
“By the way, if they hacked, they probably have her 33,000 emails. I will tell you this: Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. Let’s see if that happens."

The MSM said he was asking Putin to hack Hillary. But since Hillary already deleted the emails, and Comey said they couldn't be recovered, how would hacking her at that time get those emails? Only if they had previously hacked her server. So the MSM claim makes no sense even if you don't believe Trump was using parody or satire. So is it OBVIOUS to MANY that you can't hack a server and get emails off it that not only were deleted and bleach bitted, but which were currently in the hands of the FBI?

Putin has a mistrust and dislike for Hillary so much that he invited her and Bill to his home for dinner and an evening she and he said was a social visit. Do you generally have social visits with people you distrust and dislike? His dislike only came out during the campaign. Before that they were friendly. Did I say Putin was sly?

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Jul 4, 2019 22:37:56   #
JoyV
 
son of witless wrote:
Tell me again why Hillary would have been worse for Vlad than Trump ? It is getting close to my bedtime and I love to hear a great fairy tale. I liked to listen to Obama talk about Obama care in the evenings when I had insomnia.


You want fantasy? How about Obama making fun of Trump suggesting Russia or China might try to use cyber warfare to try to interfere in our election.

Obama, in Oct 2016 said, "I have never seen in my lifetime or in modern political history any presidential candidate trying to discredit the elections and the election process before votes have even taken place. It’s unprecedented. It happens to be based on no facts. … [T]here is no serious person out there who would suggest somehow that you could even rig America’s elections, in part, because they are so decentralized and the numbers of votes involved. There is no evidence that that has happened in the past or that there are instances in which that will happen this time. And so I’d invite Mr. Trump to stop whinin’ and go try to make his case to get votes."

A month later he and his followers were saying just the opposite because the 'wrong' candidate won!

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Jul 4, 2019 22:44:04   #
Mikeyavelli
 
JoyV wrote:
You want fantasy? How about Obama making fun of Trump suggesting Russia or China might try to use cyber warfare to try to interfere in our election.

Obama, in Oct 2016 said, "I have never seen in my lifetime or in modern political history any presidential candidate trying to discredit the elections and the election process before votes have even taken place. It’s unprecedented. It happens to be based on no facts. … [T]here is no serious person out there who would suggest somehow that you could even rig America’s elections, in part, because they are so decentralized and the numbers of votes involved. There is no evidence that that has happened in the past or that there are instances in which that will happen this time. And so I’d invite Mr. Trump to stop whinin’ and go try to make his case to get votes."

A month later he and his followers were saying just the opposite because the 'wrong' candidate won!
You want fantasy? How about Obama making fun of T... (show quote)


Yep, Russia didn't happen until Seth Rich sent a thumbnail to Wikileaks and got murdered for it.
Now Seth Rich is known as Russia.

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Jul 4, 2019 22:47:41   #
son of witless
 
JoyV wrote:
You want fantasy? How about Obama making fun of Trump suggesting Russia or China might try to use cyber warfare to try to interfere in our election.

Obama, in Oct 2016 said, "I have never seen in my lifetime or in modern political history any presidential candidate trying to discredit the elections and the election process before votes have even taken place. It’s unprecedented. It happens to be based on no facts. … [T]here is no serious person out there who would suggest somehow that you could even rig America’s elections, in part, because they are so decentralized and the numbers of votes involved. There is no evidence that that has happened in the past or that there are instances in which that will happen this time. And so I’d invite Mr. Trump to stop whinin’ and go try to make his case to get votes."

A month later he and his followers were saying just the opposite because the 'wrong' candidate won!
You want fantasy? How about Obama making fun of T... (show quote)


Excellent point.

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Jul 5, 2019 00:17:23   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
Trump NEVER suggested foreign entities would tamper with the election, his actual claims amounted to "Zombie Democrats", "Phony" polling, "Backstabbing Republicans" and "liberal" media colluding against him to rig the election in Hillary's favor.

Some people really need to work on breaking free from their dishonest impulses, all telling lies will do is trash their credibility worse than it already is. Just because your "messiah" is a compulsive liar, that doesn't make lying any more favorable or less despicable.

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Jul 5, 2019 02:09:06   #
Larai Loc: Fallon, NV
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Trump NEVER suggested foreign entities would tamper with the election, his actual claims amounted to "Zombie Democrats", "Phony" polling, "Backstabbing Republicans" and "liberal" media colluding against him to rig the election in Hillary's favor.

Some people really need to work on breaking free from their dishonest impulses, all telling lies will do is trash their credibility worse than it already is. Just because your "messiah" is a compulsive liar, that doesn't make lying any more favorable or less despicable.
Trump NEVER suggested foreign entities would tampe... (show quote)


Watching Dinesh D'souza's Obama's America!! Wow... Why did the American people NOT see his anti-colonialism and why did we not stop it..WTF happened to the republican party when this shit was going on. I hate to say this about my party.. but Where the FK were you!!!.. Obama was bad news from JUMP where were the GOP.. how did this Muslim POS get elected as our president and No longer need to ask how muslims got into our gov't.. OBAMA!! Straight UP.. he INVITED THEM HERE!! The GOP did NOTHING. Especially in light of what the Demoncrats are doin now to Demonize Trump... At least Trump isn't inviting our ENEMIES AND those that blew us UP to come on down and join us.. OMFG!!! Freakin dems..piss me off....I Voted, Where...Where were the rest of the Conservative party during the voting.. I KNOW if all of us had of gotten out there to vote Obummer wouldn't had stood a snowballs chance in hell of winning and NOW we are having to undo the Fuckery that was OBUMMER!!!.. and even Now Obummer is a treasonous bastard along with that stupid nazi twitch that is Hitlary!!... Grrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Jul 5, 2019 02:10:56   #
Larai Loc: Fallon, NV
 
Larai wrote:
Watching Dinesh D'souza's Obama's America!! Wow... Why did the American people NOT see his anti-colonialism and why did we not stop it..WTF happened to the republican party when this shit was going on. I hate to say this about my party.. but Where the FK were you!!!.. Obama was bad news from JUMP where were the GOP.. how did this Muslim POS get elected as our president and No longer need to ask how muslims got into our gov't.. OBAMA!! Straight UP.. he INVITED THEM HERE!! The GOP did NOTHING. Especially in light of what the Demoncrats are doin now to Demonize Trump... At least Trump isn't inviting our ENEMIES AND those that blew us UP to come on down and join us.. OMFG!!! Freakin dems..piss me off....I Voted, Where...Where were the rest of the Conservative party during the voting.. I KNOW if all of us had of gotten out there to vote Obummer wouldn't had stood a snowballs chance in hell of winning and NOW we are having to undo the Fuckery that was OBUMMER!!!.. and even Now Obummer is a treasonous bastard along with that stupid nazi twitch that is Hitlary!!... Grrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!
Watching Dinesh D'souza's Obama's America!! Wow...... (show quote)


*SMILES SWEETLY*

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Jul 5, 2019 02:23:57   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
Larai wrote:
Watching Dinesh D'souza's Obama's America!! Wow... Why did the American people NOT see his anti-colonialism and why did we not stop it..WTF happened to the republican party when this shit was going on. I hate to say this about my party.. but Where the FK were you!!!.. Obama was bad news from JUMP where were the GOP.. how did this Muslim POS get elected as our president and No longer need to ask how muslims got into our gov't.. OBAMA!! Straight UP.. he INVITED THEM HERE!! The GOP did NOTHING. Especially in light of what the Demoncrats are doin now to Demonize Trump... At least Trump isn't inviting our ENEMIES AND those that blew us UP to come on down and join us.. OMFG!!! Freakin dems..piss me off....I Voted, Where...Where were the rest of the Conservative party during the voting.. I KNOW if all of us had of gotten out there to vote Obummer wouldn't had stood a snowballs chance in hell of winning and NOW we are having to undo the Fuckery that was OBUMMER!!!.. and even Now Obummer is a treasonous bastard along with that stupid nazi twitch that is Hitlary!!... Grrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!
Watching Dinesh D'souza's Obama's America!! Wow...... (show quote)


Ah, another conspiracy theorist. I have said this repeatedly but this will be the first time I have said it to you directly, please take note, I do not do conspiracy theory, especially when it has already been debunked. If you wish to discuss things with me, leave out the conspiracy theory. Obama was NOT a Muslim, he was a Protestant, yet the nut jobs refuse to acknowledge the truth.

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Jul 5, 2019 02:55:50   #
Larai Loc: Fallon, NV
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Ah, another conspiracy theorist. I have said this repeatedly but this will be the first time I have said it to you directly, please take note, I do not do conspiracy theory, especially when it has already been debunked. If you wish to discuss things with me, leave out the conspiracy theory. Obama was NOT a Muslim, he was a Protestant, yet the nut jobs refuse to acknowledge the truth.


Firstly, Have you even bothered to watch anything from Dinesh D'souza?? If not.. then Hush.. you know Nothing...IF you are calling ME a "conspiracy theorist" someone you don't even know nor have ever talked to a derogatory name such as that..we probably have zero to say to each other.. But I will leave you with this..

If that was so why did Obama's admin and he himself feel Dinesh D'souza was a threat enough to get him thrown in jail on such a bullshit charge as he donated too much as a persoanal donation to his friend to help her campaign ..

Obama hasn't justified any of his own Personal contributions so wtf.. I really don't care. what ya think dear.. your "common sense" comes across more as liberal party line and there is no common sense in the liberal machine. It's all about control. I bet you even think that it was republicans that were the inventors of the KKK and the bringers of the civil war..and the segregation of blacks n whites I bet you think that the GOP held women back from voting..guess what...Never happened that was ALL Democrat.. (or at the time of the KKK Dixiecrat) but the opposite is true I'd suggest you look at more than just the lame stream media for your History & Information and stop calling names..as in calling me a "conspiracy theorist". The moment that the name calling begins all intelligent conversation has left the building...it either means you've run out of intelligent things to say..OR you do Not have the vocabulary to carry it off...Oh and Obama describes in his own words, His own Voice, in this Documentary..with Voice clips taken from various campaign speeches from his senate bid as well as his presidential bid..All HIS Voice!!!.. I'm, contrary to popular belief, Not Deaf!!! I know Obama's voice, as he was in my living room EVERY Freakin Day & Night for 8 freaking years!!..So Dinesh D'souza's Documentary Obama's America is an accurate telling of what it was about and just what he and his muslim father from kenya believed in, Also, IN His own words!! He worshipped his father & wanted to model himself after him.. but come election time he denounced his Muslim family in order to get the vote..He denounced his white mother after he got the vote..He disavowed his pastor of 20 + years that was practically a father figure bc said pastor was racist and inflamatory..had to "distance himself" as soon as he won he was inviting extremist muslims into this country . Hence the Muslim enclaves/training camps in this country.. pfft.. conspiracy... get a grip.. *smiles sweetly*

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Jul 5, 2019 04:06:13   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
Larai wrote:
Firstly, Have you even bothered to watch anything from Dinesh D'souza?? If not.. then Hush.. you know Nothing...IF you are calling ME a "conspiracy theorist" someone you don't even know nor have ever talked to a derogatory name such as that..we probably have zero to say to each other.. But I will leave you with this..

If that was so why did Obama's admin and he himself feel Dinesh D'souza was a threat enough to get him thrown in jail on such a bullshit charge as he donated too much as a persoanal donation to his friend to help her campaign ..

Obama hasn't justified any of his own Personal contributions so wtf.. I really don't care. what ya think dear.. your "common sense" comes across more as liberal party line and there is no common sense in the liberal machine. It's all about control. I bet you even think that it was republicans that were the inventors of the KKK and the bringers of the civil war..and the segregation of blacks n whites I bet you think that the GOP held women back from voting..guess what...Never happened that was ALL Democrat.. (or at the time of the KKK Dixiecrat) but the opposite is true I'd suggest you look at more than just the lame stream media for your History & Information and stop calling names..as in calling me a "conspiracy theorist". The moment that the name calling begins all intelligent conversation has left the building...it either means you've run out of intelligent things to say..OR you do Not have the vocabulary to carry it off...Oh and Obama describes in his own words, His own Voice, in this Documentary..with Voice clips taken from various campaign speeches from his senate bid as well as his presidential bid..All HIS Voice!!!.. I'm, contrary to popular belief, Not Deaf!!! I know Obama's voice, as he was in my living room EVERY Freakin Day & Night for 8 freaking years!!..So Dinesh D'souza's Documentary Obama's America is an accurate telling of what it was about and just what he and his muslim father from kenya believed in, Also, IN His own words!! He worshipped his father & wanted to model himself after him.. but come election time he denounced his Muslim family in order to get the vote..He denounced his white mother after he got the vote..He disavowed his pastor of 20 + years that was practically a father figure bc said pastor was racist and inflamatory..had to "distance himself" as soon as he won he was inviting extremist muslims into this country . Hence the Muslim enclaves/training camps in this country.. pfft.. conspiracy... get a grip.. *smiles sweetly*
Firstly, Have you even bothered to watch anything ... (show quote)


You just keep failing in your openings. No, I do not watch videos put out by conspiracy theorists. What part of "I do not do conspiracy theory" are you having trouble understanding? I would offer to use simpler words or perhaps slow it down for you but that statement is in some of the easiest English words already and if you need it slowed down, just take your time reading that statement. until we get this misunderstanding worked out, we can not discuss ANYTHING at all. You figure out how to come to grips with the fact that I don't do conspiracy theory and let me know, then we can work on finding things to discuss. Does that work for you or will I have to hire a tutor to come by your place and help you understand simple English?





Edit: I will answer this question for you though as it pertains to the very issue we need to resolve. If you believe in conspiracy theories, then you ARE a conspiracy theorist. You will probably need someone to explain that one to you, take your time and find someone intelligent enough to understand that statement and hopefully they can explain it in simpler terms for you to understand better.

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Jul 5, 2019 05:12:40   #
Larai Loc: Fallon, NV
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
You just keep failing in your openings. No, I do not watch videos put out by conspiracy theorists. What part of "I do not do conspiracy theory" are you having trouble understanding? I would offer to use simpler words or perhaps slow it down for you but that statement is in some of the easiest English words already and if you need it slowed down, just take your time reading that statement. until we get this misunderstanding worked out, we can not discuss ANYTHING at all. You figure out how to come to grips with the fact that I don't do conspiracy theory and let me know, then we can work on finding things to discuss. Does that work for you or will I have to hire a tutor to come by your place and help you understand simple English?





Edit: I will answer this question for you though as it pertains to the very issue we need to resolve. If you believe in conspiracy theories, then you ARE a conspiracy theorist. You will probably need someone to explain that one to you, take your time and find someone intelligent enough to understand that statement and hopefully they can explain it in simpler terms for you to understand better.
You just keep failing in your openings. No, I do n... (show quote)


Boy.. you are a waste of my time.. you deem a documentary as conspiracy theory without watching it Bc you deem it a waste of your time Is NOT my problem have a nice day sir.. have a nice time.. I for one am not a party to socialism!!.. this country is better than that... no matter what you say. The fact that you won't even acknowledge that this is a factual portrail of events is not my problem I am NOT trying to change your point of view NOR did I say to do so.. but I find it highly amusing that you won't even acknowledge there is truth in what he says.. so go away and don't bother rebutting this statement much as I said in my last post NOR did I ask you to comment on it!!.. I will never get why people find it necessary to comment on shit they don't agree with why not just scroll on by and ignore it, that is after all what libs do every day.. Ignore the will of the people. Period. Now go away.. bye!

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Jul 5, 2019 05:18:48   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
Larai wrote:
Boy.. you are a waste of my time.. you deem a documentary as conspiracy theory without watching it Bc you deem it a waste of your time Is NOT my problem have a nice day sir.. have a nice time.. I for one am not a party to socialism!!.. this country is better than that... no matter what you say. The fact that you won't even acknowledge that this is a factual portrail of events is not my problem I am NOT trying to change your point of view NOR did I say to do so.. but I find it highly amusing that you won't even acknowledge there is truth in what he says.. so go away and don't bother rebutting this statement much as I said in my last post NOR did I ask you to comment on it!!.. I will never get why people find it necessary to comment on shit they don't agree with why not just scroll on by and ignore it, that is after all what libs do every day.. Ignore the will of the people. Period. Now go away.. bye!
Boy.. you are a waste of my time.. you deem a docu... (show quote)


I don't do conspiracy theory. I shouldn't have to keep repeating that statement but it seems you are too intellectually deficient to understand it and too stubborn to have someone help explain it to you. Since he is a well know conspiracy theorist, I will not trouble myself to listen to him speak nor read anything he may write. If at sometime in the future, I decide to research conspiracy theories, then perhaps at that time I may ask you to provide a link to his best theories, until such time, don't bother.

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Jul 5, 2019 05:30:14   #
Larai Loc: Fallon, NV
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
I don't do conspiracy theory. I shouldn't have to keep repeating that statement but it seems you are too intellectually deficient to understand it and too stubborn to have someone help explain it to you. Since he is a well know conspiracy theorist, I will not trouble myself to listen to him speak nor read anything he may write. If at sometime in the future, I decide to research conspiracy theories, then perhaps at that time I may ask you to provide a link to his best theories, until such time, don't bother.
I don't do conspiracy theory. I shouldn't have to ... (show quote)


What part of go away did you not understand?

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Jul 5, 2019 05:56:50   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
Larai wrote:
What part of go away did you not understand?


If you wish someone to leave you alone, you must first stop making accusations against them. You can not perform a drive by accusation and not expect a reply. But again, I am neglecting to keep your limited intellect in mind, that is my own fault. you can get back to your keeping up on the latest theories, I will not bother you again without you pestering me first, as you did this time around. I was ignoring you as I had you pegged as just another nut job, conspiracy theorist the first day you posted on this site.

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Jul 5, 2019 06:17:22   #
Larai Loc: Fallon, NV
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
If you wish someone to leave you alone, you must first stop making accusations against them. You can not perform a drive by accusation and not expect a reply. But again, I am neglecting to keep your limited intellect in mind, that is my own fault. you can get back to your keeping up on the latest theories, I will not bother you again without you pestering me first, as you did this time around. I was ignoring you as I had you pegged as just another nut job, conspiracy theorist the first day you posted on this site.
If you wish someone to leave you alone, you must f... (show quote)


Dude you are crackin me up and your insulting my intelligence is not a new thing contrary to the snowflake gallery.. I happen to have a thicker skin than you are apparently use to.. I haven't accused you personally of anything short of calling me a conspiracy theorist which is as good as excuse of anything for your closed mindedness.

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