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Apr 3, 2014 01:22:51   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
I am so glad that I have gotten to know more about you! My daughter, Duckie, found a cat in our barn just when the bad weather was hitting. She talked my brother into allowing the cat inside because she was pregnant. The cat had mated with a wild cat. So, some of her babies were like little bob cats. We found homes for all, because Duckie wanted to keep a kitten. Now we have my Maine Coon/Persian mix and a baby. My cat, Mr. Boot, thinks the kitten belongs to him; he spend time in grooming and playing and at night they curl up on either my bed or Duckie's. I think that my daughter's heart for animals is as soft, if not softer, than mine and I can not tolerate the abuse of any animal.

I love the cat's name. That is just too cute! My husband had a sense of humor, he once rescued a kitten from the river and named it "Mud."

ginger wrote:
Your welcome. I believe all animals should be cared for. I've got a couple stray cats that are now mine. Someone dumped them. One (Bonkers), name fits. Very pretty Manx cat but boy is she warped. Had her five years now. At least the last owner fixed her before dumping her. My youngest daughter found her almost starved to death. Then my oldest daughter brought me Sabrina last summer. Another fixed crazy cat. She's getting use to us finally.

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Apr 3, 2014 07:13:52   #
cant beleve Loc: Planet Kolob
 
ginger wrote:
Watch pit bulls and parolees on animal planet. They are great dogs if treated right.
To counter the starting article: It was on the news the other day about a pit bull that saved his family from a fire. He wouldn't leave until all of the family was out of the house. He was badly burned.
A girl walking down the road with her pit. Man pulls up and tries to kidnap her. She and the pit are fine. The cops are looking for someone with several holes in his leg. I have heard many of these stories.
Watch pit bulls and parolees on animal planet. The... (show quote)


:thumbup: I am with you on his one... I love the family and give quite often to Villalobos animal shelter.... they even take care of my favorite felines. I guess some of us are just animal softies at heart. :thumbup:

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Apr 3, 2014 07:33:44   #
cant beleve Loc: Planet Kolob
 
ginger wrote:
Your welcome. I believe all animals should be cared for. I've got a couple stray cats that are now mine. Someone dumped them. One (Bonkers), name fits. Very pretty Manx cat but boy is she warped. Had her five years now. At least the last owner fixed her before dumping her. My youngest daughter found her almost starved to death. Then my oldest daughter brought me Sabrina last summer. Another fixed crazy cat. She's getting use to us finally.


I have only gotten the best cats by taking them in... beautiful Himalayan and another one a beautiful Russian blue. I take in cats when I can. My health now limits this and I am trying as we speak to make arrangements should me or my partner die and not be able to care for these cats. They have so become the best of friends. After jockeying for Alpha position,(my snowshoe of 20 years got hit by a car, a horrible oversight on my part) he has now accepted the Russian blue as his equal. I have weird names for my cats . The Himalayan is named Kublah like Khan. Boy does he and the Russkie look good with a lion cut. Spring love for me and them :lol:

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Apr 3, 2014 07:52:12   #
Terry Allan Hall Loc: Republic O' Tejas
 
no propaganda please wrote:
On the surface, your idea of checking the DNA sounds good. however, there are so many genes involved in temperament, not a single gene for any behavior in either man of dog. You would have to find all the genes for fear aggression, which are different from those which modify reactive to noise, territorial, food protective, toy hording aggression. The genes may be located in different areas for different breeds, so the crosses might have new locations, not like either parent. Studies to find the gene for primary lense luxation in terriers took years and thousands of dollars and it is only a single gene, no modifiers. Way too much of a task. then you have to add envirorment, epilepsy, brain tumors, diabetes as causes for aggression and you can see what an impossible task it really is. Suggestion for anyone buying a dog. go to a reliable breeder, handle their adult dogs, watch the dogs at dog shows and performance events, check the pedigrees, then train and socialize the dog well, feed it well and make sure that if you bought it as a house dog, not a working dog for livestock or hunting, it lives in the house with you. Make sure the breeder will help you any way they can, and get references from people who have purchased dogs from that person. A bargain dog seldom really is a bargain.
On the surface, your idea of checking the DNA soun... (show quote)


Some very valid points and I agree that determining which gene(s) may cause aggression would be tricky, if not impossible. Besides, there are all those other factors to consider.

I'm thinking, though, it'd be useful, through DNA checking, to determine how many dogs involved with attacks on humans are inbred (brother to sister). Line breeding (parent to offspring), which is SOP in most breeding operations, is another matter.

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Apr 3, 2014 08:55:23   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
Terry Allan Hall wrote:
Some very valid points and I agree that determining which gene(s) may cause aggression would be tricky, if not impossible. Besides, there are all those other factors to consider.

I'm thinking, though, it'd be useful, through DNA checking, to determine how many dogs involved with attacks on humans are inbred (brother to sister). Line breeding (parent to offspring), which is SOP in most breeding operations, is another matter.


Inbreeding is breeding parents to offspring, brother and sister, or half brother to half sister. true line breeding would be breeding back to the grandparent or a half sister or brother to a parent to the parent's daughter or son. In most cases if you are dealing with good breeders they will be looking for a coefficient of inbreeding of around five to ten percent, or an outcross of two lines each with a coefficient of inbreeding around ten percent but unrelated to the other side of the pedigree. In breeds with a limited choice, the coefficient by necessity is going to be higher than in a breed with a wider genetic selection. I would rather have a linebred animal from a line where all have normal hips, elbows, patellas and hearts, plus none are are carriers for Primary Lens Luxation, that a total outcross where nobody has bothered to check and clear any of the above. That also goes for temperament which can often be observed in percentage of the dogs in the pedigree have obedience, rally, agility, tracking or herding titles. To have those titles usually indicated a stable responsive temperament, in addition to someone who knows how to raise dogs.
Those of us who are familiar with therapy dogs used for working with sex abuse victims know how much help they are. Kids can often tell the dog what happened to them while they could never tell their therapist any of it. Therapy dogs are amazing to watch.

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Apr 3, 2014 09:10:47   #
bobgssc
 
no propaganda please wrote:
Dogs that are bred to fight other dogs are not necessarily people aggressive. However, unsocialized dogs, untrained and locked in a room may very well become very aggressive. Of course dogs of this size have extremely powerful jaws and can easily kill someone who is old, or a baby. However, the American Staffordshire terrier, the close relative of the "pit bull" can have a delightful temperament if properly raised and trained. Most of the dogs labeled "pit bulls" are mixes of a number of breeds, often with some Am Staff and mastiff in them, and bred to be aggressive enough to protect the drugs, usually meth or coke, the owner has. Pound per pound most Yorkshire terriers are more aggressive, but they are small enough to pick up and lock in a cage if they get aggressive. Many people who have "pit bulls"
are using then for purposes that require the dogs be aggressive and dangerous. Those people should not have dogs,period. Never ban a breed just have better laws that mandate dogs that seriously harm a person be put down. For instance the "pit bull" that ripped off half a child's face last week, should be euthanized as soon as his rabies observation period is up. Instead a group of moron PETA people are whining and collecting money to save the dog. Donations should be made toward the child's surgery not the damn dogs life.
One of the problems with banning a breed of dog is that most animal control officers or policemen couldn't tell the difference between a French Bulldog and a "Pit bull".
Dogs that are bred to fight other dogs are not nec... (show quote)


Very well said. Ban the owners, not the breed!

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Apr 3, 2014 09:12:42   #
bobgssc
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
I remain firm. I would favor banishment.


And you are totally welcome to that opinion. It's nice to have someone disagree without having to call the other person some degenerate name!

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Apr 3, 2014 09:15:56   #
bobgssc
 
Terry Allan Hall wrote:
Contrary to popular hysteria, pit bulls who've been socialized and are from healthy stock (which is to say, not inbred to make them extra aggressive) are no more dangerous than any other breed of dog.

No idea about the bloodline of the dogs that killed the woman (but have my suspitions), but dogs locked up in a bedroom obviously were never socialized.

Rottweilers are often considered dangerous, as well, but the same applies to them as does pitbulls (and every other breed)...socialization and good breeding makes for loving, lovable dogs, as my son's three Rotties, my 2 Great Danes, my Grandmother's Irish Wolfhound and my daughter's assorted "yappers" prove time and again.
Contrary to popular hysteria, pit bulls who've bee... (show quote)


Rotties are a wonderful breed but my sister in law has two she rescued. One has responded well to a loving home while the other remains insane and should be euthanized (attacks any animal it can get to and has shown aggression to people - has gone through several windows to get at animals or people); unfortunately, she is so liberal she doesn't get that the dog is a danger to everyone but her, including her two newborns.

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Apr 3, 2014 09:21:59   #
bobgssc
 
ginger wrote:
No they were not bred to fight. Just some a**holes train them to.


Correct. They are bred with the physique of a fighter, the temperament is purely based on the owner.

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Apr 3, 2014 09:25:01   #
bobgssc
 
ginnyt wrote:
This often happens when humans start breeding for characteristics. Designer dogs! Take the Lacy, this dog will be able to survive in any situation. They have been bred to take down large animals, as big as bulls. They can survive eating scrub grass and go for days without water. Now they are great dogs, but in 20 years they too may become a hazard to humans and in particular small children. I like mutts. Most of them are a combination of many breeds. I do love animals, and my heart breaks when I turn away a pit bull. But, my family has to come above my rescue efforts.

Thank you for the insight and thought you put into your comment.
This often happens when humans start breeding for ... (show quote)


Do you have any links that show what a "Lucy" dog is? I've done some searches and can't find anything and am just curious as to what one looks like and their breed line.
Thanks

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Apr 3, 2014 09:28:46   #
bobgssc
 
ginger wrote:
You should look up villa lobos rescue in New Orleans. They have a web site. They do just pit bull rescue. They would be able to tell you the closest pit rescue to your location.


Or, she could just watch them on tv, just sayin

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Apr 3, 2014 09:32:47   #
bobgssc
 
ginnyt wrote:
Agree! Not only off subject, but simply ugly!


I don't get it. The comment people are bitching about was in response to someone suggesting that all pit owners be placed somewhere like greenland... no more vitriol than the original comment. So, is it only wrong when you don't agree with the side? And, by the way, other than a few off color remarks, this has been one of the most civil threads I've read on the forum.

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Apr 3, 2014 09:50:08   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Don't have that luxury here, two feet the soil is very wet, three feet it's muddy, we're too close to the water so it's either have the vet take care of it or urn. Running out of space for urns so the three we have will likely be the last. It will seem strange without a cat or dog.


ginnyt wrote:
Yes it is. She is buried under her favorite tree. Each month I go out and trim the grass in the spring and summer, in winter I can still almost see her with the kids and it was not just mine, but my kid's friends; sliding down that hill laughing and the dog at their heels. I remember her with love, because that is what she was. May she rest in peace.

What a wonderful walk down memory lane!!



:thumbup: :thumbup:

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Apr 3, 2014 10:01:35   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Sure, they are Lacy dogs. http://nationallacydog.org/

Real attractive working dogs. Here is a pix or two.

bobgssc wrote:
Do you have any links that show what a "Lucy" dog is? I've done some searches and can't find anything and am just curious as to what one looks like and their breed line.
Thanks





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Apr 3, 2014 10:03:53   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
I am not much into television. I guess because I keep pretty busy.

bobgssc wrote:
Or, she could just watch them on tv, just sayin

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