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Jun 30, 2013 15:32:57   #
Doninvirginia Loc: Bedford County, Virginia
 
Lou wrote:
Sorry , but it is your destiny to remain confused . You didn't watch either show , nor do you know anything of William Buckley ....yet you make your proclamations out of total ignorance , and even that based on the parroting the memes of your demagogues . And just look at who those demagogues are ! Beck , Limbaugh , Cruz , Murdock , Aiken , Coulter , Breitbart , etc.ad nauseum . As for your political stripe ? you have no idea of what you are . So stay confused you're probably better off , and so will everyone else . You remarks prove to me the level of your intellect which is gullible and LOW . The only god thing about people like you , is that demographically you are low in number and are for the most part inconsequential .
Sorry , but it is your destiny to remain confused ... (show quote)


I'M confused? You attacked people on a personal level without a molecule of fact to back up your comments. I ask for examples and you provide bullshit in response. Its amazing to me how often that happens. Just like Barack and Hillary and all the others. Always propaganda and bullshit. I promise to ignore you...and you can ignore my Posts from here on. You need to stay on your meds man. There's something seriously wrong with you.

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Jun 30, 2013 15:55:31   #
Doninvirginia Loc: Bedford County, Virginia
 
Lasher wrote:
Good post!


I can't believe the 'Reply' I got from the guy I was 'Replying' to. Unbelievable!! 'Name calling' seems to be the only thing he knows. There is no way to have a dialogue with a person like that. It's no wonder we have that Commie bastard in the White House and his Party peopled by corrupt morons looking for a HANDOUT!

If I ask for facts and examples all I get is garbled insanity as a response. Needless to say they have NO facts to back up their mindless ramblings. Asking for facts and examples really puts them on the defensive. They start and end with name calling. It's all they know.

Thanks for your comment. :lol: :thumbup:

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Jun 30, 2013 16:36:59   #
Lasher Loc: Georgia
 
Doninvirginia wrote:
I can't believe the 'Reply' I got from the guy I was 'Replying' to. Unbelievable!! 'Name calling' seems to be the only thing he knows. There is no way to have a dialogue with a person like that. It's no wonder we have that Commie bastard in the White House and his Party peopled by corrupt morons looking for a HANDOUT!

If I ask for facts and examples all I get is garbled insanity as a response. Needless to say they have NO facts to back up their mindless ramblings. Asking for facts and examples really puts them on the defensive. They start and end with name calling. It's all they know.

Thanks for your comment. :lol: :thumbup:
I can't believe the 'Reply' I got from the guy I w... (show quote)


TY, another good post.

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Jun 30, 2013 16:54:57   #
mroge Loc: California
 
Doninvirginia wrote:
I'm a Christian. Not the Bible-thumping, fire and brimstone type, but I am a Christian. I don't believe anyone should make comments like this without furnishing examples of the so-called
'Christian conduct' they've witnessed to earn the labels you attached to me and other Christians in your Post.

Give us all some solid examples of what you're referring to...and don't include those Westboro Baptist freaks. Tell me what has taken place to make me a "...stupid" "...laughing stock".
I'm a Christian. Not the Bible-thumping, fire and ... (show quote)


I think you need to read my other comments. I already apologized to one woman on this matter. I was not referring to ALL Christians, only those that are extremists and unfortunately there are a lot of them right now, especially in the Republican party. And in case you are a Republican, again not ALL Republicans are like that. But I do call it as I see it.

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Jun 30, 2013 17:36:36   #
mroge Loc: California
 
Doninvirginia wrote:
I agree. They are a despicable bunch of clowns. OMG!! Global warming? I cut and pasted an article today from one of the online news sites. It quoted a respectable scientist who states that the earth's increase in temperature for the last fifteen years has been .05 of one degree (5/100 of a degree). So much for Global Warming. Anyway, I enjoyed your Post. 8-) :lol: :roll: :oops: :thumbup:


Thank you! As far as global warming is concerned actually I won't say that I am totally convinced, but when they talk about a small increase in temperature they are talking about averages over the entire globe and also averages over time. And I have heard higher statistics. Basically I am not totally dismissing it without doing more research. I do not preach about global warming but for some reason as soon as people learn that I am a democrat then they start attacking me for it, even though I have not brought it up! Furthermore I am apparently a part of a conspiracy to fool people about it! So basically if I give an honest opinion I am accused of being a liar. I got very frustrated with someone recently who attacked me and then claimed that the New York Times had an article refuting global warming. He gave a link to a website that was commenting on the article which only featured parts of the article. Suspecting that it was biased I went to the original article and sure enough, it had been totally misrepresented. No scientist ever said that in the article. In fact they refuted that notion because people were taking it out of context.They were only discussing some anomalies in their research. So what I did was cut and pasted some relevant parts and made a few comments. After going through all that effort and also being polite about it as well he just came back and said "It's obvious that it is your religion!" What was REALLY obvious was that the fool hadn't even read the article! I guess the headline was enough for him!

Anyway I am fine with people like you who disagree politely. What I fail to understand though is why people are so upset about the idea of reducing air pollution. It is a common sense idea and it is prudent even if there is no global warming. The fact is that we really have very little idea of future consequences when we put pollutants into the air. No one anticipated the smog problem or the thinning of the ozone layer. So who knows?

Well nice talking to you! :)

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Jun 30, 2013 18:46:19   #
Lou Loc: Florida
 
Lasher wrote:
The molding of children's minds begins at birth.


That's right , and to make the ludicrous statement that Mister Rogers OR Captain Kangaroo contributed anything more than a purely minimal part in the eventual outcome ,as it relates to politics or work ethic , just shows the types of PRIMITIVE WARPED MINDS that are hard at work expectorating their agenda at Fox . But hey , they have a sizeable audience of brainwashed parrots .

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Jun 30, 2013 19:26:16   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
mroge wrote:
Westboro Baptist doesn't represent ANYTHING that Jesus taught. I know most Christians are not that extreme, but still I have encountered some bad ones. And yeah they make good Christians look bad. I went to their website once and only once and it was like reading Hitler's manefesto. It made me want to vomit. They aren't just misguided people who are going a little overboard. They have absolutely no interest at all in saving anyone. They believe that the whole world is going to hell except them so they are gloating about how everyone else is doomed. They have a "God-Smack" page where they rejoice in every misfortune that happens, even the death of innocent children. They not only hate gays, they also hate Jews and Catholics and say that they are all gay too. This is a cult, not a church. There was a petition out to revoke their tax-exempt status by classifying them as a hate-group, but I don't know whether anything has been done about it. It is sad that people see them as representing all of Christianity, because they don't. It makes it worse that there are so many religious extremists coming out of the woodwork these days and even wanting to get involved in politics. That is why I made the comment that these people should never be allowed to run this country. They absolutely do not believe in separation of church and state. Furthermore they are playing on people's fears which I find disgusting. They promise that if everyone tows the line that all of the problems in this country will magically disappear. They make scapegoats out of gays, women or... (insert favorite minority of the week). Now I get it that not everyone is going to approve of gays but it is shameful that they are being used this way. The same with any other minority. This is really more of a power play than anything else. They are snake oil salesmen offering an easy cure for the desperate.

Didn't mean to make this an essay but boy I just cannot believe the lunacy that is going on right now. I have gone on conservative websites and been treated like I am evil incarnate just because I disagree with them. I am even evil for believing in global warming!

Ah well, I am on so many meds for other stuff that I guess I should have bought some stock! I actually am trying to get off of some of them because I don't think it is too healthy to take a lot of meds.

Nice chatting with a rational person for once ;) Take care.
Westboro Baptist doesn't represent ANYTHING that J... (show quote)


If my memory serves, which sometimes it does not, the Southern Poverty Law Center has classified the Tea Party and Christians as "hate groups"; however, did not name Westboro Baptist Church. Such generalizations create divisiveness. Neither side is totally right or totally wrong. As a brief off topic rant, where was the criticism of the Occupy Wall Street movement's complete lack of civilized behavior? One may disagree with Tea Partiers and Christians, but please point out to me the last time either group purposefully destroyed public property, ie. police cars, defecated in public, and committed other felonious acts?

As to your comment on conservative web sites, I have been on more liberal websites and been called a redneck, gun clinger, Bible thumper, home schooled creationist, racist (when I was not addressing issues with the President). I think the door, so to speak, swings both ways. Disagreement can be productive; however, attempting to insult my education (not home schooled), faith (thumping on a Bible shows disrespect for the book) and other such denigration brings reasoned debate to an end.

Obviously I, also, am doing essays.

As to medications, did you notice once you start one medication (I am on none but have seen others who are.) it leads to a new condition created by the first medication. This then leads to a second medication which leads to a third condition, leading to a third medication and on it goes. If you want to really complain about corporate greed, let us start with the pharmaceutical corporations!!!!!

We may find in the future we disagree on some issues; however, I commit you will not receive any insults. If they occur, call me on them. I have apologized public here before for misinterpreting individuals and have no problem doing it again.

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Jun 30, 2013 19:55:59   #
mroge Loc: California
 
AuntiE wrote:
Excuse me, banjo. He managed to offend Aunti from the very beginning; however, we have resolved the conflict. Having someone trying to be diplomatic while still "standing their ground" is not a bad thing. Civility is not something to be dismissed so lightly. Why should we cure him of not wanting to offend? I mean, really, just because you are a redneck, uneducated, fork confused person does not mean he has to be. :lol: :roll: :P


Thank you Aunti. And it is 'she" by the way. I need to come up with a more imaginative screen name! ;)

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Jun 30, 2013 20:09:46   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
mroge wrote:
Thank you Aunti. And it is 'she" by the way. I need to come up with a more imaginative screen name! ;)


That was a very large error on my part, ie. "she". Usually, I use they or their. Hopefully the gender surgery i gave you is reversable. :D :lol: 8-)

By the way, hopefully you saw the smiley faces in my post to Banjojack. He and I frequently jokingly insult each other. It is meant in good fun.

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Jun 30, 2013 21:05:58   #
Lasher Loc: Georgia
 
[quote=AuntiE]If my memory serves, which sometimes it does not, the Southern Poverty Law Center has classified the Tea Party and Christians as "hate groups"; however, did not name Westboro Baptist Church. Such generalizations create divisiveness. Neither side is totally right or totally wrong. As a brief off topic rant, where was the criticism of the Occupy Wall Street movement's complete lack of civilized behavior? One may disagree with Tea Partiers and Christians, but please point out to me the last time either group purposefully destroyed public property, ie. police cars, defecated in public, and committed other felonious acts?
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The Southern Poverty Law Center was founded by two Zionist Jews named Morris Dees and Joe Levin. It is a notoriously left-wing, socialist, anti-white organization, which some of you will cheer. It has never veered from it's progressive, Jewish origins. Just sayin'.

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Jun 30, 2013 21:46:25   #
mroge Loc: California
 
AuntiE wrote:
If my memory serves, which sometimes it does not, the Southern Poverty Law Center has classified the Tea Party and Christians as "hate groups"; however, did not name Westboro Baptist Church. Such generalizations create divisiveness. Neither side is totally right or totally wrong. As a brief off topic rant, where was the criticism of the Occupy Wall Street movement's complete lack of civilized behavior? One may disagree with Tea Partiers and Christians, but please point out to me the last time either group purposefully destroyed public property, ie. police cars, defecated in public, and committed other felonious acts?

As to your comment on conservative web sites, I have been on more liberal websites and been called a redneck, gun clinger, Bible thumper, home schooled creationist, racist (when I was not addressing issues with the President). I think the door, so to speak, swings both ways. Disagreement can be productive; however, attempting to insult my education (not home schooled), faith (thumping on a Bible shows disrespect for the book) and other such denigration brings reasoned debate to an end.

Obviously I, also, am doing essays.

As to medications, did you notice once you start one medication (I am on none but have seen others who are.) it leads to a new condition created by the first medication. This then leads to a second medication which leads to a third condition, leading to a third medication and on it goes. If you want to really complain about corporate greed, let us start with the pharmaceutical corporations!!!!!

We may find in the future we disagree on some issues; however, I commit you will not receive any insults. If they occur, call me on them. I have apologized public here before for misinterpreting individuals and have no problem doing it again.
If my memory serves, which sometimes it does not, ... (show quote)


Please call me on it too. Obviously I offended more than one person on here so I didn't make my point clear at all. And I have been guilty at times of being too "enthusiastic". Unfortunately the rancor that happens with both religion and politics is often due to the fact that each side resorts to insults which further hardens the other side and then leads to even more insults. And yes we also stereotype each other. I honestly don't think that most people within a particular party agree with each other on everything. I actually until recently was Independent and did not have a strong loyalty to any party. I still don't have a strong loyalty to the democrat party but I have strong feelings about the way the Republican party has changed in ways I don't like.

Miscommunications happen too and it is often difficult to understand people without body language and verbal cues.

I am sure that you are mistaken about the Southern Poverty Law Center. I have read that they have declared Westboro a hate group. I have not heard that they have declared Christians as a hate group. That would be very offensive. Also my impression is that they deal with organizations, not blanket groups of people. They are trying to make a legal definition of it, presumably in order to be able to take legal action later. By themselves they don't have the authority the government has to make laws about hate groups, but I think what they are trying to do is start the process. So they can't say Christians are a hate group, because that isn't an organization. They can call the KKK a hate group because it is.

As far as the Tea Party I have not heard that so I will check that out. You are right about the Occupiers. However the concerns about the Tea Party (and I may get myself in trouble with this) is that there are many of them that are calling for armed revolution. Now maybe some of this is just bluffing, but I find it alarming. Now this is not officially the position, but on political forums individuals are saying this. What is disturbing is that the ones who aren't calling for violence are not calling them out on it. Yes there are things going badly wrong right now in the government, but I think they are fixable. There has been a lot of misinformation about a lot of things. Some allegations are true, some are not. Recently the story changed with Benghazi. Now Republicans are admitting that there was no stand down order. This kind of deception on their part is one of the reasons I don't trust the party anymore.

Does this qualify them as a hate group? I have trouble with that definition. First of all hate groups are defined as those who discriminate or advocate violence against particular groups of people, not the government. What I have heard is concerns about terrorism, but since that has not happened you can't use that either. Unless there is some proof that they intend to do something then they don't qualify for that definition either. And this is not something that is part of the official position. However we don't know what goes on in their private meetings. My opinion is that we need to keep an eye on these people, or at least any factions that might seem dangerous.

I will answer to the objection that may be coming which is that the democrats haven't been honest about a lot of things either. Frankly I hate politics. It is a dirty business and it seems like more often than not it is a matter of choosing the lesser of two evils. For most of my life I have been pretty apathetic about politics for that reason. It often seems pointless to even vote. I might have better luck using the "eeny, meeny, miny, mo" method. But I have decided that there are some positions that I do need to take a firm stand on because they either affect me personally or affect others that I know. Quite frankly I see extreme positions in BOTH parties which makes it very frustrating. They are WAY too polarized.

Well I am spending waaay too much time on the internet lately talking to people. I need to get some other things done. But yeah one of my problems with one of my medications is that it causes restless leg syndrome which means that I have to take another pill to counteract that. And then I found out by accident that this side-effect pill interacts very badly with anti-histamines which means that I can't take them for my allergies! Unfortunately it is very hard to keep track of possible interactions but this was a bit scary. It wasn't life threatening, but it caused me severe confusion, I kept falling down and I even blacked out once for a minute or two. So I am actually trying to get off of some of these medications because it isn't good to take too many.

Ok got to go now. I'll be back later. ;)











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Jun 30, 2013 22:06:44   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Doninvirginia wrote:
I can't believe the 'Reply' I got from the guy I was 'Replying' to. Unbelievable!! 'Name calling' seems to be the only thing he knows. There is no way to have a dialogue with a person like that. It's no wonder we have that Commie bastard in the White House and his Party peopled by corrupt morons looking for a HANDOUT!

If I ask for facts and examples all I get is garbled insanity as a response. Needless to say they have NO facts to back up their mindless ramblings. Asking for facts and examples really puts them on the defensive. They start and end with name calling. It's all they know.

Thanks for your comment. :lol: :thumbup:
I can't believe the 'Reply' I got from the guy I w... (show quote)

Lacking any scintilla of documentation, he resorts to sophomoric, disingenuous insults to try and divert attention from the fact that he is incapable of engaging in meaningful discourse. It is a common practice among those lacking the intelligence and ambition to provide references. They apparently feel that their unsupported, ignorant biases give them carte blanche to attack people whose accomplishments they can never equal. It is the jealousy of the small minded, venal and insecure. It must be terribly deflating to realize that your best efforts at sarcasm are pathetically inadequate, and your attempts to belittle and demean your betters are not even piquant enough to be classed as a flea bite.

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Jun 30, 2013 22:30:18   #
mroge Loc: California
 
donc711 wrote:
Sure God is punishing Colorado. (tongue in cheek) God has been punishing California for centuries with fire and floods along the coast line just north of LA. LOL. Sure never changed California either. It just got more liberal with the increase of Holly Woods stars paychecks.

Maybe it was more like the gun control act Colorado passed this year. More guns would have stopped the forest fires faster than God could light them. HAHAHAHA These pastors are idiots. Even if they are considered to be conservatives. Ever watch a TV evangelist program? Now there is something to make you throwup your guts, and they are classified as conservatives. That is a bunch of BS too.

I classify these bingos as liberals who are just lining their own pockets and as rabble rousers without a cause.
Sure God is punishing Colorado. (tongue in cheek) ... (show quote)


That is a good point. Just because someone carries the label "conservative" doesn't mean that they represent most conservatives. However I wouldn't classify them as liberals either.

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Jun 30, 2013 22:40:07   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
mroge wrote:
That is a good point. Just because someone carries the label "conservative" doesn't mean that they represent most conservatives. However I wouldn't classify them as liberals either.


I am posting here as a message to you. There is a way to do what is called a Private Message; however, I do not know if you are aware of that function as you are new to, as I call it, the Plaza.

You posted a long commentary shortly ago. It had many interesting points; however, my brain may not be up to an adequate response currently. I will read it over again and respond then.

:lol: Did the reversal back to your original gender occur without undue harm?

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Jun 30, 2013 23:29:32   #
mroge Loc: California
 
Doninvirginia wrote:
I can't believe the 'Reply' I got from the guy I was 'Replying' to. Unbelievable!! 'Name calling' seems to be the only thing he knows. There is no way to have a dialogue with a person like that. It's no wonder we have that Commie bastard in the White House and his Party peopled by corrupt morons looking for a HANDOUT!

If I ask for facts and examples all I get is garbled insanity as a response. Needless to say they have NO facts to back up their mindless ramblings. Asking for facts and examples really puts them on the defensive. They start and end with name calling. It's all they know.

Thanks for your comment. :lol: :thumbup:
I can't believe the 'Reply' I got from the guy I w... (show quote)


I agree that he was out of line but at the same time it is also name calling when you accuse him of wanting handouts. I am a democrat and one of the reasons why is because I am legitimately disabled (although I am looking at possible ways of making money writing online). I am terrified in the current lynch-mob climate that I will have my disability taken away. Not ALL democrats are looking for a free handout, and I agree that there are too many people taking advantage of the system. At the same time there are legitimate social programs that are needed. And many can do things that charity cannot.I used to work in the mental health field and there are government funded programs that help the mentally ill get off the streets, get them psychiatric treatment and housing, disability if necessary. This reduces the cost on society by keeping them out of the revolving door system of repeated hospitalizations. Furthermore there are programs offer social and emotional support and help them get back to work as well. This again benefits society. The best that charities can do for these people is to provide them with food and temporary shelter.

I am not saying that you necessarilly think that programs like this are bad, but please think before you speak. People have reasons for voting democrat and one of them is the attitude from the republicans that all social programs are bad. Public education is a social program. So are public libraries.

Root out the bad, keep the good.

Plus guess what? There are plenty of democrats who work and contribute to society.

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