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Jun 23, 2019 06:42:20   #
rebob14
 
Airforceone wrote:
I stopped reading your post when you got to socialism. Meaning one thing you have no idea what the definition of pure socialism is and give me an example of where socialism is being applied in our government. I am getting pretty GD tired of the right wing ignorance to democratic socialism


Use any preface you want................no form of it can exist without corrupt governance!!

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Jun 23, 2019 07:08:33   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
Airforceone wrote:
Yup no where ever has pure socialism worked correct and that’s not what democrats are advocating. but answer the GD question what is the definition of socialism and where in our government is it being used. Then look up pure capitalism and show me where that is being used.

Why is it that you Trump supporters use these words and have no idea What your talking about.

Have you ever studied the economy of Norway and how they tie democratic socialism into Capitalism. My guess is no because you have no idea what it means.

There are 8 different forms of socialism and yes the Scandinavian countries have a form of socialism. Why not do some research instead of making a stupid statement. It’s very difficult to explain on this site 8 different types of socialism because when you deal with ignorance to the meaning of these forms of government.
Yup no where ever has pure socialism worked correc... (show quote)


socialism
1. An economic system where the means of production, distribution and exchange is determined by the state/public sector in some form. Can be centralised, decentralised, democratic or undemocratic.

2. Description of a left-wing political position between social democracy (general acceptance of the market economy but thinks the public sector has a vital role in proividing some goods and services) and communism (marxism). Agrees in the state determining the means of production, distribution and exchange but wants to bring that about peacefully and democratically.

3. General description of the left: the belief that individuals should be judged on how they treat other people rather than on their job/race/sexuality, that people should have equality of opportunity, that in principle wealth should be distributed fairly to everyone who works rather than the minority who own most of the economy and most of the wealth and that an economy owned by a few individuals without a strong public sector to balance that is undemocratic and unjust.

4. A stage in history defined by Marx's theories as coming after capitlalism and before communism where the means of production is owned by the state and run in the interests of the proletariat.

5. A label used by various Marxist-Leninist dictatorships with state-run economies in the 20th Century to justify their totalitarianism.
All marxists are socialists but not all socialists are marxists.

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Jun 23, 2019 09:06:33   #
Airforceone
 
JoyV wrote:
They don't know? I addressed my question to you. Do you know? If so, please convey your superior knowledge.


Any question you proposed would be answered if I missed it please answer again

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Jun 23, 2019 10:11:22   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
Airforceone wrote:
Why don’t you answer the question you use that BS socialism every GD time you post it only means you have no idea what the hell your talking about. Typical Trump supporter can’t answer a simple question wTF is your definition of socialism and where in our government it being used.

Come on trumpeteer I guess you are thrilled your getting another unpaid for war.


This is an example of how well socialism works.
Venezuela should be rolling in money.
These are the countries whose proven oil reserves are in the top 10 globally.
1-Venezuela - 300,878 million barrels.
2-Saudi Arabia - 266,455 million barrels. ...
3-Canada - 169,709 million barrels. ...
4-Iran - 158,400 million barrels. ...
5-Iraq - 142,503 million barrels. ...
6-Kuwait - 101,500 million barrels. ...

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Jun 23, 2019 11:26:58   #
JoyV
 
Airforceone wrote:
Yup no where ever has pure socialism worked correct and that’s not what democrats are advocating. but answer the GD question what is the definition of socialism and where in our government is it being used. Then look up pure capitalism and show me where that is being used.

Why is it that you Trump supporters use these words and have no idea What your talking about.

Have you ever studied the economy of Norway and how they tie democratic socialism into Capitalism. My guess is no because you have no idea what it means.

There are 8 different forms of socialism and yes the Scandinavian countries have a form of socialism. Why not do some research instead of making a stupid statement. It’s very difficult to explain on this site 8 different types of socialism because when you deal with ignorance to the meaning of these forms of government.
Yup no where ever has pure socialism worked correc... (show quote)


Norway has a capitalist economy. The wealth generated by capitalism funds social programs. The same is true to a lesser extent in the US. Neither is a socialist economy or even a partial socialist economy. Cuba and Venezuela have socialist economies. They both eliminated capitalism in their countries. The left likes to use Norway as an example of a successful socialist country. But it is NOT a socialist country nor a partially socialist country. It is a capitalist country with vast social programs. And the populace has indicated it has more trust in conservatism as they have re-elected Prime Minister Erna Solberg of the Conservative Party in 2017.

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Jun 23, 2019 11:30:50   #
JoyV
 
debeda wrote:
Sweden actually started cutting back on socialist programs about 10 years ago. And I will give you an example of socialism NOT working. Medicare is a program seniors are required to enroll in, and premiums are deducted from their social security checks. There is a new program now where your premiums are still deducted from your check, but a private health insurance company manages your care. Straight government Medicare coverage has gotten worse and worse every year. Until it covered almost nothing. The new coverage, in my case Humana, is EXCELLENT, for the same price, with many perks. Pretty much anything that requires fiscal responsibility should NEVER be given to our current form of government to be run. So what I have given you is an example of a failed US socialist program. Imagine, for a minute, if there were no longer any private health insurance companies to step in and save the day? Pretty much if you were a senior, and had no money, you'd get pathetic medical care.
Sweden actually started cutting back on socialist ... (show quote)


Actually, they don't tell you so few realize, but it is not a requirement to join medicare. You are automatically enrolled unless you opt out. But you must make an official request to opt out. You will be discouraged by warnings of never being allowed back in along with other scare tactics. But if you hold firm, you can keep off of medicare.

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Jun 23, 2019 11:40:53   #
JoyV
 
badbob85037 wrote:
Bill Clinton was a big supporter of the UN's Desertification Act. It put 70% of American land under UN control. The people said no way and it was not passed. Then one night when the people though this bill was dead a Republican Congress tossed the bill in with a few other bills and with a show of hands the bill was passed.

Right away signs went up at all Federal Parks 'Under UN Control'. The American people were furious and the signs came down but that is as far as it went and changed nothing. It is past the point of believing one party good one party evil mentality as both will sell this country out to obtain ill gotten gain.

Now I know there are a lot of idiots in America but what allowed obama to commit so many Constitutional violations and abuses of power? The Republicans who turned a blind eye daily to his lawlessness. It's said if you don't know your rights you have none which is why we got to this point. When an unconstitutional is passed the other party says elect me and I will have this lawless law repealed. But unless you are 100 years old you have never seen it happen. It wasn't my fault we are trillions in debt and my taxes goes to pay interest to the Feds who counterfeit trillions in worthless paper .

First we declare the national debt null and void, round up these banksters and charge with crimes against humanity. After all they have started every war since the French Revolution profiting from both sides. This includes all government that has made their profit possible. Only then should we jail and string up the little fish.
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That is why until the campaign for the 2016 election, I was neither registered Democrat or Republican. I re-registered as Republican before the primaries so I could vote for Trump. Of those two parties, I prefer the Republican Party. But I have little faith in politicians regardless of party. The elites of all parties are the same. It saddens me that they get elected again and again despite proving they are out for their own interests and not the interests of their constituents. There are very few exceptions, but more since Trump has been in office. I don't 'like' his personality. But I love his results. I expected good results because I knew paid attention to what he accomplished in NY and knew people, as well as knew of more people, who were helped by him. But his results have been beyond my expectations!

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Jun 23, 2019 11:43:10   #
JoyV
 
rebob14 wrote:
It IS possible! We got our city to reject the renewal of the federal grant that paid the salaries of the “consensus builders”. They lost their influence and we were no longer a STAR community. Two election cycles later, the middle class chose to go back to sleep and civic responsibility was diminished in city government. The human drive to “manage” fellow citizens is sociopathic and unrelenting but can be kept in check through diligence and truthful information.


Yup. Diligence! It takes making an effort. But well worth the effort to keep us free!

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Jun 23, 2019 11:46:27   #
JoyV
 
America 1 wrote:
socialism
1. An economic system where the means of production, distribution and exchange is determined by the state/public sector in some form. Can be centralised, decentralised, democratic or undemocratic.

2. Description of a left-wing political position between social democracy (general acceptance of the market economy but thinks the public sector has a vital role in proividing some goods and services) and communism (marxism). Agrees in the state determining the means of production, distribution and exchange but wants to bring that about peacefully and democratically.

3. General description of the left: the belief that individuals should be judged on how they treat other people rather than on their job/race/sexuality, that people should have equality of opportunity, that in principle wealth should be distributed fairly to everyone who works rather than the minority who own most of the economy and most of the wealth and that an economy owned by a few individuals without a strong public sector to balance that is undemocratic and unjust.

4. A stage in history defined by Marx's theories as coming after capitlalism and before communism where the means of production is owned by the state and run in the interests of the proletariat.

5. A label used by various Marxist-Leninist dictatorships with state-run economies in the 20th Century to justify their totalitarianism.
All marxists are socialists but not all socialists are marxists.
socialism br 1. An economic system where the mean... (show quote)


"All marxists are socialists but not all socialists are marxists."

Yup. Hitler and the NAZI party are a prime example of a totalitarian socialist government which was anti-Marxist.

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Jun 23, 2019 11:48:35   #
JoyV
 
Airforceone wrote:
Any question you proposed would be answered if I missed it please answer again


I asked you to provide any examples of successful PURE socialist countries. But here I will broaden the criteria to ANY successful socialist country.

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Jun 23, 2019 11:53:28   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, CO
 
Airforceone wrote:
I stopped reading your post when you got to socialism. Meaning one thing you have no idea what the definition of pure socialism is and give me an example of where socialism is being applied in our government. I am getting pretty GD tired of the right wing ignorance to democratic socialism



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Jun 23, 2019 17:37:12   #
maryjane
 
MR Mister wrote:
Good job, but it stills comes down to the IQ of the voters. In 1969 California had an item on its ballot. It took the pay to county supervisors away from the legislator and gave it to the county supervisors! Yes, it gave them the right to set there own pay!! I thought "you got to be kidding"
It passed with 98% yes. The next day every county supervisor gave themselves a 98% pay raise, lol.
Well, the voters were all up in arms! Recalls where filed, lawsuits where filed.
So, I have little faith in votes doing right. Most do not pay attention to what is going on all around them.
Good job, but it stills comes down to the IQ of th... (show quote)


So true and exactly why we have so many ignorant, self-serving, unscruplous members of our US Congress in that office for decades.

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Jun 23, 2019 18:17:09   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
Airforceone wrote:
I stopped reading your post when you got to socialism. Meaning one thing you have no idea what the definition of pure socialism is and give me an example of where socialism is being applied in our government. I am getting pretty GD tired of the right wing ignorance to democratic socialism


Yet you seem to be fascinated with your own ignorance of pretty much everything.

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Jun 24, 2019 13:07:41   #
MR Mister Loc: Washington DC
 
Airforceone wrote:
Why don’t you answer the question you use that BS socialism every GD time you post it only means you have no idea what the hell your talking about. Typical Trump supporter can’t answer a simple question wTF is your definition of socialism and where in our government it being used.

Come on trumpeteer I guess you are thrilled your getting another unpaid for war.



The problem we have with every war since WWll is your party has put rules in with it. Harry Truman turn Korea into a police action. The best general in the world was stopped from winning it by Truman "D"
So time after time we try to keep the bad guys from taking over the world and end up rebuilding there electric grid and water system instead of killing the creeps. Maybe someday you will have an "awakening".

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Jun 24, 2019 13:20:06   #
debeda
 
MR Mister wrote:
The problem we have with every war since WWll is your party has put rules in with it. Harry Truman turn Korea into a police action. The best general in the world was stopped from winning it by Truman "D"
So time after time we try to keep the bad guys from taking over the world and end up rebuilding there electric grid and water system instead of killing the creeps. Maybe someday you will have an "awakening".


Good post Mr

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