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Apr 1, 2014 21:30:42   #
bobgssc
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
I would support a ban on pit bulls.


The owners of the problem dogs would simply switch to something else, Mastiff maybe? The problem dog owners need to be banned, not simply a dog that was bred to have heavy muscle and strong jaws. The breeding was intended for fighting and even most fighting pits are not aggressive to humans. The problem is simply that unbalanced people produce unbalanced dogs, regardless of breed. Ever seen a damn little chihuahua biting at someone's heels? It can't do much damage, but it would if it could because it's insane. The owners need special places where they can be kept safely away from society (maybe reopen Alcatraz, give them some bags of cement and tell them they should probably get to work if they want to keep a roof over their heads) Of course, this would also be a good place for gang members and certain politicians.

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Apr 1, 2014 21:34:21   #
bobgssc
 
MrEd wrote:
They are outlawed in some places, but most of the time they are treated like any other dog. Now I love dogs and I would never normally go against any breed, but this one I do draw the line on. I have been around them and have never felt comfortable in the same room with them. I was around a half wolf and half German Shepard and felt better around him then I did a Pit Bull.

I'm sorry to say this, but I would not be unhappy to see this breed go. This is the only breed that I have ever seen that can draw blood just being playful, and yes I had that done to me. I have been around several other breeds that are considered dangerous and I have never felt threatened, but I did the first time I met a Pit Bull.

I can see people saying that other breeds draw blood too and I agree, but it is by accident with them. I have had my Yourkie draw blood, but not by biting me several times like that Pit Bull did. I just can't justify keeping that breed around for anything other then war dogs and I am not sure they would be very good for that either.
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In the 60's the german sheppard was the dog that should be banned, in the 70's it was the Doberman Pincher, the 80's had the rottweiler and now we have the pit. Of course, there really isn't a Pit bull breed, it is a grouping of dogs including the American Boxer. I also remember stories of each of those dogs eating corpses or attacking their owners. It really isn't the dog, but the owner. I know people that have them and they are generally some of the sweetest dogs I've ever met. On the other hand, just like a gun in the hands of the wrong person, yes they can be very dangerous.

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Apr 1, 2014 21:39:27   #
Brian Devon
 
bahmer wrote:
Did your bagle hound come with cream cheese. OMG I am getting silly I guess I have been on to long now.



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You beat me to it. My Labrador is a bagle hound too. Actually she is a hound for any food that has a vague suggestion of protein, unfortunately, including cat and dog turds.

The good news is that she doesn't like to lick our faces.

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Apr 1, 2014 21:39:47   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
I remain firm. I would favor banishment.

bobgssc wrote:
The owners of the problem dogs would simply switch to something else, Mastiff maybe? The problem dog owners need to be banned, not simply a dog that was bred to have heavy muscle and strong jaws. The breeding was intended for fighting and even most fighting pits are not aggressive to humans. The problem is simply that unbalanced people produce unbalanced dogs, regardless of breed. Ever seen a damn little chihuahua biting at someone's heels? It can't do much damage, but it would if it could because it's insane. The owners need special places where they can be kept safely away from society (maybe reopen Alcatraz, give them some bags of cement and tell them they should probably get to work if they want to keep a roof over their heads) Of course, this would also be a good place for gang members and certain politicians.
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Apr 1, 2014 22:59:38   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
I work rescue and one day we had a call about a Mastiff who needed to be socialized and fostered. I brought this dog home with me; he was a big dog! But, he was smart and easy to train. Loving disposition; considering that he had been found tied and the rope had cut into his neck so deep that we had to have it cut out and then stitched. We called him Glücklicher Hund; meaning happy dog. Because he was so happy to have space to run and people to scratch his belly. He went to a neighbor, I see him often. Still happy to see me and his eyes show nothing but love!

no propaganda please wrote:
If I were to have a Setter it would be an Irish RED AND WHITE they are still sane capable hunting dogs with few genetic problems and not so much coat as to be a problem in the field.

Never heard of them? Look them up on the AKC site. and no, I don't have an Irish red and white, but do have a mastiff, great dog but requires space and a strong hand to train them.

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Apr 2, 2014 04:07:25   #
73STNGLKABEE
 
some people were born to fight, outlaw them?
Pitbull stigma is a myth. Ive had several and still do. Actually, breaking up fights and supervising play and even getting bitten, as crazy as it sounds, changes you as a human. I believe it could help in interactions with unfriendly dogs or humans in the future, letting you keep a cooler head in emergencies. I am a life time owner, they can be aggressive, but so can any organism/mammal/human/insects etc. stop picking on pitbulls, their plight is difficult enough. Some people just shouldn't have dogs or kids for that matter as well.

She Wolf wrote:
I agree. These animals are not pets. They were bred to fight.

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Apr 2, 2014 08:49:22   #
JONDO
 
Blacksheep wrote:
"pit bulls in home, police say
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An 85-year-old woman was apparently attacked by pit bulls inside her Kaufman, Texas, home.

The body of an 85-year-old Texas woman was found in her home Monday after police say she was apparently attacked by two large and aggressive pit bulls in the home. The dogs are what they are and human beings made them what they are, You can blame the breeders for that.If your going to buy a dog, think of all the contacts he will have out in the yard, the dog is usually good to the people that own him and thats risky enough. But the Neighbors, the Meter Man, the Postman, Company, anyone that walks by is at risk, Is it worth it and the fact you will have to watch the dog like a hawk all day long. I had a Chow and i didn't trust him at all, I was lucky i had the right place for him in a fenced in yard in the country, he was black and pretty mean looking that alone was enough that people just naturally stayed away.Finally people with common sense.

Dorothy Hamilton's body was discovered in the home Monday by her son, police said. The dogs belonged to her son and were normally locked in a bedroom. Police believe the dogs broke through the door to get at the woman, Kaufman police told MyFoxDFW.com."


The more helpless the victim, the more likely the attack. Pit bulls are constantly killing babies, toddlers and the old and infirm. Yet owners of this vile breed keep insisting on what loving and wonderful pets they are. Some may be, right up until they decide to attack, because what separates pit bulls from other breeds is their tendency to suddenly attack non-threatening targets without warning. The breed should be outlawed.
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Apr 2, 2014 09:33:19   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Not all of these dogs are bad, and yes dogs are a product of many things such as breed and how they are handled and trained. I hope that your dog(s) never harm you or someone else. For me, well I do not want them within a hundred miles of my family. I wish you nothing but happiness and a long life.

73STNGLKABEE wrote:
some people were born to fight, outlaw them?
Pitbull stigma is a myth. Ive had several and still do. Actually, breaking up fights and supervising play and even getting bitten, as crazy as it sounds, changes you as a human. I believe it could help in interactions with unfriendly dogs or humans in the future, letting you keep a cooler head in emergencies. I am a life time owner, they can be aggressive, but so can any organism/mammal/human/insects etc. stop picking on pitbulls, their plight is difficult enough. Some people just shouldn't have dogs or kids for that matter as well.
some people were born to fight, outlaw them? br Pi... (show quote)

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Apr 2, 2014 09:42:02   #
Terry Allan Hall Loc: Republic O' Tejas
 
Contrary to popular hysteria, pit bulls who've been socialized and are from healthy stock (which is to say, not inbred to make them extra aggressive) are no more dangerous than any other breed of dog.

No idea about the bloodline of the dogs that killed the woman (but have my suspitions), but dogs locked up in a bedroom obviously were never socialized.

Rottweilers are often considered dangerous, as well, but the same applies to them as does pitbulls (and every other breed)...socialization and good breeding makes for loving, lovable dogs, as my son's three Rotties, my 2 Great Danes, my Grandmother's Irish Wolfhound and my daughter's assorted "yappers" prove time and again.

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Apr 2, 2014 09:44:05   #
Terry Allan Hall Loc: Republic O' Tejas
 
OldSchool wrote:
Sorry, I disagree. The Pit Bull has a bad reputation only because they're the favorites of illegal dog fighting and for protecting drug stashes. My son has a Pit Bull (one of many he has had) and she is a sweetheart. This may be one of the most misunderstood breeds. It is the owners who are the bad culprits, not the breed. If you have ever watched Caesar Milan on the "Dog Whisperer" TV program, he loves Pit Bulls and states the same fact that it is the owners, not the breed. The media has amplified the bad press on this breed.

There is far more to the story you just quoted.
Sorry, I disagree. The Pit Bull has a bad reputat... (show quote)


Well stated! Kudos.

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Apr 2, 2014 09:55:52   #
Terry Allan Hall Loc: Republic O' Tejas
 
no propaganda please wrote:

One of the problems with banning a breed of dog is that most animal control officers or policemen couldn't tell the difference between a French Bulldog and a "Pit bull".


Sadly true. :(

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Apr 2, 2014 10:02:57   #
Brian Devon
 
73STNGLKABEE wrote:
some people were born to fight, outlaw them?
Pitbull stigma is a myth. Ive had several and still do. Actually, breaking up fights and supervising play and even getting bitten, as crazy as it sounds, changes you as a human. I believe it could help in interactions with unfriendly dogs or humans in the future, letting you keep a cooler head in emergencies. I am a life time owner, they can be aggressive, but so can any organism/mammal/human/insects etc. stop picking on pitbulls, their plight is difficult enough. Some people just shouldn't have dogs or kids for that matter as well.
some people were born to fight, outlaw them? br Pi... (show quote)




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Like your parents???

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Apr 2, 2014 10:06:39   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
All dogs can be dangerous. Take for example the Saint Bernard. They were inbreed into insanity back in the 60s. The Doberman, again inbred for skull shape. Madness was a result in some of these dogs. And the list goes on. Of course, there are some good pit bulls, but there are those pit bulls that have been trained and treated well that have still killed babies, their owners, and other dogs for no reason. Before banning these animals, some research has to be done to figure out what has gone wrong with these animals. It is possible that there has been too much inbreeding to perfect the attack personality. Pit bulls have very muscular bodies and heavy steel trapped jaws that can exert a pressure of over 1800 pounds per square inch. They usually attack silently, even without being provoked. The majority of there victims have been family members. Most animals will give warning that they are going to attack. Not pit bulls, they will just turn and snap; killing easily their target. It has even gotten to the point where many insurance companies are now refusing to cover pit bulls, and a few other very aggressive dogs. I would rather been in a room with a rattle snake than a pit bull. And you do know that people select animals that closely match their own personalities. This is an interesting read: http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/1112518215/dogs-and-their-owners-have-matching-personalities/

Terry Allan Hall wrote:
Contrary to popular hysteria, pit bulls who've been socialized and are from healthy stock (which is to say, not inbred to make them extra aggressive) are no more dangerous than any other breed of dog.

No idea about the bloodline of the dogs that killed the woman (but have my suspitions), but dogs locked up in a bedroom obviously were never socialized.

Rottweilers are often considered dangerous, as well, but the same applies to them as does pitbulls (and every other breed)...socialization and good breeding makes for loving, lovable dogs, as my son's three Rotties, my 2 Great Danes, my Grandmother's Irish Wolfhound and my daughter's assorted "yappers" prove time and again.
Contrary to popular hysteria, pit bulls who've bee... (show quote)

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Apr 2, 2014 10:16:40   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
Brian Devon wrote:
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You beat me to it. My Labrador is a bagle hound too. Actually she is a hound for any food that has a vague suggestion of protein, unfortunately, including cat and dog turds.

The good news is that she doesn't like to lick our faces.


Brian
That's why I never let any dog lick my face, I know where their mouths have been.

by the way, except for the labs that are out hunting a great deal of the time, the breed has such a tendency to get fat that most vets will tell you that 80% of labs kept as house dogs are obese.

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Apr 2, 2014 10:30:18   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
ginnyt wrote:
All dogs can be dangerous. Take for example the Saint Bernard. They were inbreed into insanity back in the 60s. The Doberman, again inbred for skull shape. Madness was a result in some of these dogs. And the list goes on. Of course, there are some good pit bulls, but there are those pit bulls that have been trained and treated well that have still killed babies, their owners, and other dogs for no reason. Before banning these animals, some research has to be done to figure out what has gone wrong with these animals. It is possible that there has been too much inbreeding to perfect the attack personality. Pit bulls have very muscular bodies and heavy steel trapped jaws that can exert a pressure of over 1800 pounds per square inch. They usually attack silently, even without being provoked. The majority of there victims have been family members. Most animals will give warning that they are going to attack. Not pit bulls, they will just turn and snap; killing easily their target. It has even gotten to the point where many insurance companies are now refusing to cover pit bulls, and a few other very aggressive dogs. I would rather been in a room with a rattle snake than a pit bull. And you do know that people select animals that closely match their own personalities. This is an interesting read: http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/1112518215/dogs-and-their-owners-have-matching-personalities/
All dogs can be dangerous. Take for example the S... (show quote)


A dog bred for fighting would be useless if it wasted time growling before starting to fight. A dog bred for vermin hunting would be useless if it growled before killing the rat or badger that it was bred to hunt. Ask anyone who runs an obedience class or even seriously trained dogs and they will tell you that, in their opinion, 1/4 of the dog owners should not have any dog at all, just a stuffed one for the end of the bed, and I agree with their statement.

Mastiffs are protection dogs, but a number of them are therapy dogs, and they have been used quite successfully for helping children who are autistic, as well as programs that use dogs to help unsure children learn to read. One of the greatest uses for many dogs, from Mastiffs to terriers (terriers are a group of dogs, not a breed, there are about 40 different terrier breeds) is as therapy dogs for helping children who have been physically and/or sexually abused learn to cope and begin trusting anyone or anything again. They need to be trained and have stable temperaments, and usually have been acquired from good breeders, not pet shops. Well bred dogs chosen for stable temperaments are required for therapy work.

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