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Jun 18, 2019 21:02:04   #
Morgan
 
rumitoid wrote:
Yes, but don't look more than two centuries; have this special lotion. BS something or other. Amazing!


Ok then pass the bottle around, ah nevermind I think I have enough of that here. LOL

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Jun 18, 2019 21:05:09   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
Morgan wrote:
I disagree, Hitler used and exploited people through their nationalism, and their patriotism as he manipulated them through these emotions, their love and loyalty to their country. Myself and many others have seen the similarities between the two. Hitler pinned German's against other Germans as Trump does the same through parties, nationality, religion and other groups.

Socialism is not what gave Hitler his Power who became the government as a dictator. Hitler turned against socialism when he embraced fascism.
I disagree, Hitler used and exploited people throu... (show quote)

Um, I hate to break it to you, but fascism is socialism, just with a few things added in. It is characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce, to put it in a nutshell, just like socialism.

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Jun 18, 2019 21:17:04   #
son of witless
 
Morgan wrote:
I disagree, Hitler used and exploited people through their nationalism, and their patriotism as he manipulated them through these emotions, their love and loyalty to their country. Myself and many others have seen the similarities between the two. Hitler pinned German's against other Germans as Trump does the same through parties, nationality, religion and other groups.

Socialism is not what gave Hitler his Power who became the government as a dictator. Hitler turned against socialism when he embraced fascism.
I disagree, Hitler used and exploited people throu... (show quote)


Socialism and Nazism have the one party system in common. Once Hitler took power he made it impossible for him to ever be voted out. Donald Trump has not sought to outlaw rival political parties.

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Jun 18, 2019 21:21:44   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
son of witless wrote:
Socialism and Nazism have the one party system in common. Once Hitler took power he made it impossible for him to ever be voted out. Donald Trump has not sought to outlaw rival political parties.

True, but you missed the main point: Trump is Hitler! They have to believe that or their whole narrative comes crashing in around their ears. Ain't that pathetic?

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Jun 18, 2019 21:23:18   #
Morgan
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Um, I hate to break it to you, but fascism is socialism, just with a few things added in. It is characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce, to put it in a nutshell, just like socialism.


Um no, you're incorrect. Socialism is an economic structure working within a form of government, in the past under a dictatorship, where people are forced. Fascism is a governmental structure which is a type of one-party dictatorship. Fascists are against democracy. ... Fascism puts nation and often race above the individual. It stands for a centralized government headed by a dictator. Historically, fascist governments tend to be militaristic, and racist.

Hmm.... militaristic, racist and one-party agenda.


Does any of this sound vaguely familiar?

Robert Paxton, a professor emeritus of social science at Columbia University in New York who is widely considered the father of fascism studies, defined fascism as "a form of political practice distinctive to the 20th century that arouses popular enthusiasm by sophisticated propaganda techniques for an anti-liberal, anti-socialist, violently exclusionary, expansionist nationalist agenda.

There's that nationalist word again, is it a red flag or a red herring?

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Jun 18, 2019 21:25:19   #
Morgan
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
True, but you missed the main point: Trump is Hitler! They have to believe that or their whole narrative comes crashing in around their ears. Ain't that pathetic?


FYI Many patriotic Germans loved Hitler. Who's zooming who?

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Jun 18, 2019 21:29:11   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Ricktloml wrote:
We might also remember that any Russian interference in the 2016 election happened under the Obama administration, who was aware since 2014 Russia was making these efforts and did NOTHING, no wait Obama DID do something, he weaponized our intelligence and law enforcement agencies, along with his operatives and appointees, Hillary, the DNC and their collaborators in the media to try to frame President Trump with this false narrative. And the Democrat/socialists, the left in general and the lap-dog media want to smear and question the patriotism of President Trump AND his supporters. Most Americans consider cheating on a massive scale by undercutting the foundations of our Constitution and electoral process like Obama, Hillary and the Democrat/socialist Party did in 2016 is NOT patriotic
We might also remember that any Russian interferen... (show quote)


Bo not doing anything back in 2014 speaks volumes as to why now that we see exactly what is coming out.. That has always been a question I have never understood.. We’ve heard for years now we know Russia has been trying to breach our electrical grid yet nothing has been done .. Bo knew of attempts during the election gear up yet nothing was done..Heck, they wouldn’t even let their own IT people sweep their computers when it first was thought because of those horrendous emails “supposedly leaked.”..What didn’t they want found on their computers that they refused security measures??? Was the ace in the hole the framing of Trump they started so early they were protecting??

I’m not the least bit concerned about what the progressive left thinks of our support for Trump.. I don’t happen to care what their opinion is as I don’t really care about them other than their intentions to further divide, spread hate and decimate our nation.. That is what I do care about... Until we get past this hate and division nothing will ever change other than for it to get worse...Trying to smear Trump or his supporters is a joke.. They simply have nothing else to do since they have done nothing for two years now but try to oust President Trump..

The attack on the Electoral process now is as pathetic...They sure weren’t looking to attack it when it was favorable results for their party.. Likewise its an indicator they feel insecure in their ability “beating Trump” by votes this election coming.. I’ll wait for the SCOTUS to weigh in on its unconstitutional merit not to mention the amendment necessary to change the Constitutional language....

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Jun 18, 2019 21:30:46   #
son of witless
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
True, but you missed the main point: Trump is Hitler! They have to believe that or their whole narrative comes crashing in around their ears. Ain't that pathetic?


Both Hitler and Lenin outlawed rival political parties. As did the Kims in N. Korea, Castro in Cuba, Chavez and Maduro in Venezuela, and Mussolini in Italy. As Socialism fails economically it's leaders seek scapegoats to punish. The Nazis were merely a Socialist variation.

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Jun 18, 2019 21:36:19   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
Morgan wrote:
FYI Many patriotic Germans loved Hitler. Who's zooming who?

Almost. Many Statist Germans thought Hitler had some good ideas, especially in the beginning. Patriotic Germans saw what he was doing and tried to sound the warnings but it was too late as Hitler's blackshirts were very efficient at suppressing dissent, especially from individuals. There were very few patriots in Hitler's Germany, and those that were there kept their mouths shut, he saw to that.

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Jun 18, 2019 21:46:45   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Thank Ron Paul for that. I joined the R<3volution in 2007 and immersed myself into everything from Mises through Rothbard and even the Good Doctor himself. That opened my eyes and made a patriot of me as opposed to a government statist as I was before, having known no better. Ron Paul stood up and spoke as an individual, fearlessly and without a filter. That was very profound to me and I wanted him to win so very badly. Ah, the good old days...


Well you did very well in immersing yourself and obviously finding your preference..

Ron Paul, a true Libertarian in my opinion sure was another that “ bucked the political woo’s” involved and candidly spoke his mind whether it went against the stereotyped political arena or not..

I always wondered why he suddenly exited and figured it was dirt he didn’t want smearing he or family.. A true loss to America when he bowed out..
I do believe I would have voted for him too.. At least I liked his blunt candor then and what he felt would better our country..

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Jun 18, 2019 21:58:46   #
Rose42
 
lindajoy wrote:
Well you did very well in immersing yourself and obviously finding your preference..

Ron Paul, a true Libertarian in my opinion sure was another that “ bucked the political woo’s” involved and candidly spoke his mind whether it went against the stereotyped political arena or not..

I always wondered why he suddenly exited and figured it was dirt he didn’t want smearing he or family.. A true loss to America when he bowed out..
I do believe I would have voted for him too.. At least I liked his blunt candor then and what he felt would better our country..
Well you did very well in immersing yourself and o... (show quote)


I’d have voted for Ron Paul but he would never have been allowed to make it very far

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Jun 18, 2019 21:59:01   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
lindajoy wrote:
Well you did very well in immersing yourself and obviously finding your preference..

Ron Paul, a true Libertarian in my opinion sure was another that “ bucked the political woo’s” involved and candidly spoke his mind whether it went against the stereotyped political arena or not..

I always wondered why he suddenly exited and figured it was dirt he didn’t want smearing he or family.. A true loss to America when he bowed out..
I do believe I would have voted for him too.. At least I liked his blunt candor then and what he felt would better our country..
Well you did very well in immersing yourself and o... (show quote)

After he was so corruptly excluded from the 2012 Republican primaries, he retired and formed his 'Campaign for Liberty' that still soldiers on in his name with him taking a (well deserved) back seat. He still sends out an email from time to time, and it's still good to hear from him. Here's the website:
http://www.campaignforliberty.org/

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Jun 18, 2019 22:07:05   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
Rose42 wrote:
I’d have voted for Ron Paul but he would never have been allowed to make it very far

Mmm-hmm. Didn't want to 'waste your vote', did you?

Riiiight. What if you and the millions of others who fell for that canard had actually voted for him?

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Jun 18, 2019 22:19:57   #
Rose42
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Mmm-hmm. Didn't want to 'waste your vote', did you?

Riiiight. What if you and the millions of others who fell for that canard had actually voted for him?


I couldn’t vote in the primary because I wasn’t a republican.

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Jun 18, 2019 22:27:05   #
Al Armed
 
Morgan wrote:
This is when patriotism gets twisted and morphed into Nationalism. Love for country is still a good thing, blind loyalty to a person is not.


You know "nation" and "country" are, like, synonyms, right?

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