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Jun 17, 2019 15:03:09   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
https://www.prageru.com/video/national-debt-who-cares/

In the 1958 movie, The Blob, starring a young Steve McQueen, a giant, expanding mass – a blob – threatens to destroy an entire town and everyone in it. It keeps growing and growing, and no one can stop it.

The United States debt is like that blob. Unlike the fictional blob, it threatens to destroy more than an entire town; it threatens the entire nation.

Where is Steve McQueen when you need him?

Here are some numbers.

The national debt currently stands at $22 trillion dollars. That's trillion – with a 'T.' Ten years ago, it was $10 trillion dollars. Ten years from now, it's projected to be $34 trillion.

The interest payment on our debt is currently $300 billion dollars per year, heading towards a projected $1 trillion dollars within a decade. At that point, a fifth of all federal taxes will go towards the interest on the debt, not education, infrastructure, and defense – you know, the stuff government is supposed to do. And that's with historically low interest rates. Imagine if those rates normalized. Well, maybe you don't want to imagine it because that picture is very dark.

In a better world, voters would be marching on Washington, demanding that our politicians dig us out of this hole before we're buried in it.

In the real world... almost no one cares. But we should care. And any thinking person, left or right, understands why. No individual and no nation can accumulate debt indefinitely. Europe was able to bail out Greece with some loans a few years ago. But Greece is a small country. If the US goes 'boom,' there's going to be no one to bail us out. So what's driving the debt? And, more importantly, how do we drive ourselves out of it?

The debt has been growing for decades. It got supercharged by the 2008 recession. Revenues fell while spending soared. Under President Obama, the debt doubled from $10 trillion dollars to $20 trillion. In the first two years of the Trump Administration, we've added another $2 trillion dollars.

So what are we to do?

First, we need to identify the primary source of the problem. It's pretty basic. You can talk about defense spending, welfare spending, or bloated budgets all you want, but it really comes down to two programs: Social Security and Medicare. Unless we get a handle on these monsters, the debt blob will continue to expand until it overwhelms us.

According to data from the Congressional Budget Office, these two programs alone face a $100 trillion-dollar shortfall over the next three decades. How is that possible?

Well, for starters, you've got 74 million Baby Boomers rolling into retirement age – 10,000 a day. On top of that, Medicare recipients typically receive benefits that are triple the size of what they paid into the system. Without some serious adjustments, these programs are going to fail. This is not the fault of retirees. It is simple demographics and math.

Paying all promised benefits would require either raising the payroll tax from its current 15.3% to 33% or imposing a 34% national sales tax. No – squeezing the rich, slashing defense, or eliminating welfare won't come close to paying the bill. Neither will any plausible level of economic growth. The 100 trillion-dollar hole is too big.

So let's talk fairness. If Mom and Dad can't make the mortgage payment, they don't tell the kids to get full-time jobs to make up the shortfall. They move to a different house that matches their budget.

Likewise, when America promises senior citizens benefits far exceeding what they paid into the system, we should not tell young working families that their taxes must be doubled or tripled. We should instead pare back those benefits to an affordable level. That's only fair and sensible, right? But when it comes to the debt, neither of these qualities seems to figure in. So what can we can do? More to the point, what can you do?

First, be sure to save for your own retirement. Do not overly depend on a government that has promised more than it can possibly pay out to take care of you.

Second, tell Washington to get a spine and deal with Social Security and Medicare.

People live a lot longer than they did when Social Security was first conceived in 1935. We need to gradually raise the Social Security eligibility age to reflect that. It's now 66. We need to get it to 68, and then 70.

That's pretty straightforward. Medicare is trickier. But a good solution already exists, amazingly within the Medicare system – the prescription drug program. Almost unprecedented among government programs, this one has come in below initial projected costs. Why? Because insurance companies have to compete for seniors' prescription drug business. So let's give seniors more options to shop around for the Medicare plans they want. More choice and competition would stabilize costs, and give us a fighting chance to keep Medicare solvent.

So are any of these ideas being seriously discussed in the halls of government?

We all know the answer to that question. Here comes The Blob.

I'm Brian Riedl, Senior Fellow at the Manhattan Institute, for Prager University.

https://www.newsmax.com/finance/patrickwatson/social-security-medicare-nestorcongress/2014/02/26/id/554807/
Supreme Court: No Right to Social
Security
By Patrick Watson
Wednesday, 26 February 2014 07:30 AM
In a little-noticed decision, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Congress and the president could cut off your
Social Security benefits any time they please.
The first victim was a man named Ephram Nestor.
Nestor paid Social Security taxes for 19 years and was already receiving benefits when the government
stopped paying him. As you might imagine, Nestor was outraged and appealed all the way to the Supreme
Court. He argued that, having paid all those taxes, the government owed him "his" Social Security benefits.
Nestor lost. So will you and me, if we live long enough.
Why was this not front-page news? It was — back in 1960 when the high court ruled in Flemming vs.
Nestor. You can read the decision yourself online or at any law library.
The court's reasoning was quite simple: Social Security is not insurance. There is no contractual agreement
between taxpayer and government, like there would be with an insurance policy. The fact that Nestor paid
into the system was irrelevant. Congress can give, and Congress can take away.
This long-settled precedent is still in force today. As a strictly legal matter, Americans who spend a lifetime
watching "FICA" reduce their paychecks are simply paying one more tax. The fact that you paid this tax
creates no obligation on the government to give you anything in return.
Nestor's particular mistake was that he joined the U.S. Communist Party from 1933 to 1939. He then retired
in the midst of Cold War anti-communist fever in 1955. He was deported from the United States in 1956.
The Social Security Act specifically says no benefits can go to anyone deported for being a communist, but
Comrade Nestor may yet have the last laugh. He forced our highest court to rule that Social Security
benefits are not "property." The Fifth Amendment's Takings clause does not apply.
The Constitution's Due Process clause does apply, but is little comfort. "Due process," in this context,
simply means that Congress can change its mind anytime it wants.
The government can cancel the whole program tomorrow. They can stop paying benefits to retirees, but
continue withholding taxes from workers. They can do whatever they want because we elected them. That's
what due process means.
Now, realistically, no one needs to worry about Social Security disappearing. Congress knows better than
to kick that hornet's nest. Nevertheless, the Flemming vs. Nestor decision ought to make us re-think the
status of Social Security taxes and benefits.
Because FICA and Medicare liabilities start with your very first dollar earned, most Americans pay more
on those taxes than on income tax. There are no deductions or exemptions. If you earn a living legally, you pay the tax.
The common belief that FICA and Medicare taxes "earn" you some kind of benefit is completely false.
They are simply a regressive wage income tax. This mechanism lets politicians tax the poor much more
heavily than they admit.
On the other end of the bargain, people currently receiving Social Security benefits are not reaping the
reward of a long working life. The benefits are a gift that Washington officials dole out because they
believe they are is politically expedient. In other contexts, we call such payments "welfare."
Am I saying retirees don't deserve their benefits? No. I am criticizing politicians who routinely portray
Social Security as something that our "rule of law" long ago decided it is not. They are either lying or
ignorant of the facts.
Like so many other aspects of our government, reality and perception are two different things. Congress
likes it that way.

Reply
Jun 17, 2019 15:13:04   #
Liberty Tree
 
dtucker300 wrote:
https://www.prageru.com/video/national-debt-who-cares/

In the 1958 movie, The Blob, starring a young Steve McQueen, a giant, expanding mass – a blob – threatens to destroy an entire town and everyone in it. It keeps growing and growing, and no one can stop it.

The United States debt is like that blob. Unlike the fictional blob, it threatens to destroy more than an entire town; it threatens the entire nation.

Where is Steve McQueen when you need him?

Here are some numbers.

The national debt currently stands at $22 trillion dollars. That's trillion – with a 'T.' Ten years ago, it was $10 trillion dollars. Ten years from now, it's projected to be $34 trillion.

The interest payment on our debt is currently $300 billion dollars per year, heading towards a projected $1 trillion dollars within a decade. At that point, a fifth of all federal taxes will go towards the interest on the debt, not education, infrastructure, and defense – you know, the stuff government is supposed to do. And that's with historically low interest rates. Imagine if those rates normalized. Well, maybe you don't want to imagine it because that picture is very dark.

In a better world, voters would be marching on Washington, demanding that our politicians dig us out of this hole before we're buried in it.

In the real world... almost no one cares. But we should care. And any thinking person, left or right, understands why. No individual and no nation can accumulate debt indefinitely. Europe was able to bail out Greece with some loans a few years ago. But Greece is a small country. If the US goes 'boom,' there's going to be no one to bail us out. So what's driving the debt? And, more importantly, how do we drive ourselves out of it?

The debt has been growing for decades. It got supercharged by the 2008 recession. Revenues fell while spending soared. Under President Obama, the debt doubled from $10 trillion dollars to $20 trillion. In the first two years of the Trump Administration, we've added another $2 trillion dollars.

So what are we to do?

First, we need to identify the primary source of the problem. It's pretty basic. You can talk about defense spending, welfare spending, or bloated budgets all you want, but it really comes down to two programs: Social Security and Medicare. Unless we get a handle on these monsters, the debt blob will continue to expand until it overwhelms us.

According to data from the Congressional Budget Office, these two programs alone face a $100 trillion-dollar shortfall over the next three decades. How is that possible?

Well, for starters, you've got 74 million Baby Boomers rolling into retirement age – 10,000 a day. On top of that, Medicare recipients typically receive benefits that are triple the size of what they paid into the system. Without some serious adjustments, these programs are going to fail. This is not the fault of retirees. It is simple demographics and math.

Paying all promised benefits would require either raising the payroll tax from its current 15.3% to 33% or imposing a 34% national sales tax. No – squeezing the rich, slashing defense, or eliminating welfare won't come close to paying the bill. Neither will any plausible level of economic growth. The 100 trillion-dollar hole is too big.

So let's talk fairness. If Mom and Dad can't make the mortgage payment, they don't tell the kids to get full-time jobs to make up the shortfall. They move to a different house that matches their budget.

Likewise, when America promises senior citizens benefits far exceeding what they paid into the system, we should not tell young working families that their taxes must be doubled or tripled. We should instead pare back those benefits to an affordable level. That's only fair and sensible, right? But when it comes to the debt, neither of these qualities seems to figure in. So what can we can do? More to the point, what can you do?

First, be sure to save for your own retirement. Do not overly depend on a government that has promised more than it can possibly pay out to take care of you.

Second, tell Washington to get a spine and deal with Social Security and Medicare.

People live a lot longer than they did when Social Security was first conceived in 1935. We need to gradually raise the Social Security eligibility age to reflect that. It's now 66. We need to get it to 68, and then 70.

That's pretty straightforward. Medicare is trickier. But a good solution already exists, amazingly within the Medicare system – the prescription drug program. Almost unprecedented among government programs, this one has come in below initial projected costs. Why? Because insurance companies have to compete for seniors' prescription drug business. So let's give seniors more options to shop around for the Medicare plans they want. More choice and competition would stabilize costs, and give us a fighting chance to keep Medicare solvent.

So are any of these ideas being seriously discussed in the halls of government?

We all know the answer to that question. Here comes The Blob.

I'm Brian Riedl, Senior Fellow at the Manhattan Institute, for Prager University.

https://www.newsmax.com/finance/patrickwatson/social-security-medicare-nestorcongress/2014/02/26/id/554807/
Supreme Court: No Right to Social
Security
By Patrick Watson
Wednesday, 26 February 2014 07:30 AM
In a little-noticed decision, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Congress and the president could cut off your
Social Security benefits any time they please.
The first victim was a man named Ephram Nestor.
Nestor paid Social Security taxes for 19 years and was already receiving benefits when the government
stopped paying him. As you might imagine, Nestor was outraged and appealed all the way to the Supreme
Court. He argued that, having paid all those taxes, the government owed him "his" Social Security benefits.
Nestor lost. So will you and me, if we live long enough.
Why was this not front-page news? It was — back in 1960 when the high court ruled in Flemming vs.
Nestor. You can read the decision yourself online or at any law library.
The court's reasoning was quite simple: Social Security is not insurance. There is no contractual agreement
between taxpayer and government, like there would be with an insurance policy. The fact that Nestor paid
into the system was irrelevant. Congress can give, and Congress can take away.
This long-settled precedent is still in force today. As a strictly legal matter, Americans who spend a lifetime
watching "FICA" reduce their paychecks are simply paying one more tax. The fact that you paid this tax
creates no obligation on the government to give you anything in return.
Nestor's particular mistake was that he joined the U.S. Communist Party from 1933 to 1939. He then retired
in the midst of Cold War anti-communist fever in 1955. He was deported from the United States in 1956.
The Social Security Act specifically says no benefits can go to anyone deported for being a communist, but
Comrade Nestor may yet have the last laugh. He forced our highest court to rule that Social Security
benefits are not "property." The Fifth Amendment's Takings clause does not apply.
The Constitution's Due Process clause does apply, but is little comfort. "Due process," in this context,
simply means that Congress can change its mind anytime it wants.
The government can cancel the whole program tomorrow. They can stop paying benefits to retirees, but
continue withholding taxes from workers. They can do whatever they want because we elected them. That's
what due process means.
Now, realistically, no one needs to worry about Social Security disappearing. Congress knows better than
to kick that hornet's nest. Nevertheless, the Flemming vs. Nestor decision ought to make us re-think the
status of Social Security taxes and benefits.
Because FICA and Medicare liabilities start with your very first dollar earned, most Americans pay more
on those taxes than on income tax. There are no deductions or exemptions. If you earn a living legally, you pay the tax.
The common belief that FICA and Medicare taxes "earn" you some kind of benefit is completely false.
They are simply a regressive wage income tax. This mechanism lets politicians tax the poor much more
heavily than they admit.
On the other end of the bargain, people currently receiving Social Security benefits are not reaping the
reward of a long working life. The benefits are a gift that Washington officials dole out because they
believe they are is politically expedient. In other contexts, we call such payments "welfare."
Am I saying retirees don't deserve their benefits? No. I am criticizing politicians who routinely portray
Social Security as something that our "rule of law" long ago decided it is not. They are either lying or
ignorant of the facts.
Like so many other aspects of our government, reality and perception are two different things. Congress
likes it that way.
https://www.prageru.com/video/national-debt-who-ca... (show quote)


The problem with the debt has always been spending and not revenue. The more revenue Congress gets the more it spends. Those in Congress get reelected based on.their ability to "bring home the bacon". Everyone wants Congress to curb spending but not in his/her favorite program.

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Jun 17, 2019 15:40:53   #
debeda
 
dtucker300 wrote:
https://www.prageru.com/video/national-debt-who-cares/

In the 1958 movie, The Blob, starring a young Steve McQueen, a giant, expanding mass – a blob – threatens to destroy an entire town and everyone in it. It keeps growing and growing, and no one can stop it.

The United States debt is like that blob. Unlike the fictional blob, it threatens to destroy more than an entire town; it threatens the entire nation.

Where is Steve McQueen when you need him?

Here are some numbers.

The national debt currently stands at $22 trillion dollars. That's trillion – with a 'T.' Ten years ago, it was $10 trillion dollars. Ten years from now, it's projected to be $34 trillion.

The interest payment on our debt is currently $300 billion dollars per year, heading towards a projected $1 trillion dollars within a decade. At that point, a fifth of all federal taxes will go towards the interest on the debt, not education, infrastructure, and defense – you know, the stuff government is supposed to do. And that's with historically low interest rates. Imagine if those rates normalized. Well, maybe you don't want to imagine it because that picture is very dark.

In a better world, voters would be marching on Washington, demanding that our politicians dig us out of this hole before we're buried in it.

In the real world... almost no one cares. But we should care. And any thinking person, left or right, understands why. No individual and no nation can accumulate debt indefinitely. Europe was able to bail out Greece with some loans a few years ago. But Greece is a small country. If the US goes 'boom,' there's going to be no one to bail us out. So what's driving the debt? And, more importantly, how do we drive ourselves out of it?

The debt has been growing for decades. It got supercharged by the 2008 recession. Revenues fell while spending soared. Under President Obama, the debt doubled from $10 trillion dollars to $20 trillion. In the first two years of the Trump Administration, we've added another $2 trillion dollars.

So what are we to do?

First, we need to identify the primary source of the problem. It's pretty basic. You can talk about defense spending, welfare spending, or bloated budgets all you want, but it really comes down to two programs: Social Security and Medicare. Unless we get a handle on these monsters, the debt blob will continue to expand until it overwhelms us.

According to data from the Congressional Budget Office, these two programs alone face a $100 trillion-dollar shortfall over the next three decades. How is that possible?

Well, for starters, you've got 74 million Baby Boomers rolling into retirement age – 10,000 a day. On top of that, Medicare recipients typically receive benefits that are triple the size of what they paid into the system. Without some serious adjustments, these programs are going to fail. This is not the fault of retirees. It is simple demographics and math.

Paying all promised benefits would require either raising the payroll tax from its current 15.3% to 33% or imposing a 34% national sales tax. No – squeezing the rich, slashing defense, or eliminating welfare won't come close to paying the bill. Neither will any plausible level of economic growth. The 100 trillion-dollar hole is too big.

So let's talk fairness. If Mom and Dad can't make the mortgage payment, they don't tell the kids to get full-time jobs to make up the shortfall. They move to a different house that matches their budget.

Likewise, when America promises senior citizens benefits far exceeding what they paid into the system, we should not tell young working families that their taxes must be doubled or tripled. We should instead pare back those benefits to an affordable level. That's only fair and sensible, right? But when it comes to the debt, neither of these qualities seems to figure in. So what can we can do? More to the point, what can you do?

First, be sure to save for your own retirement. Do not overly depend on a government that has promised more than it can possibly pay out to take care of you.

Second, tell Washington to get a spine and deal with Social Security and Medicare.

People live a lot longer than they did when Social Security was first conceived in 1935. We need to gradually raise the Social Security eligibility age to reflect that. It's now 66. We need to get it to 68, and then 70.

That's pretty straightforward. Medicare is trickier. But a good solution already exists, amazingly within the Medicare system – the prescription drug program. Almost unprecedented among government programs, this one has come in below initial projected costs. Why? Because insurance companies have to compete for seniors' prescription drug business. So let's give seniors more options to shop around for the Medicare plans they want. More choice and competition would stabilize costs, and give us a fighting chance to keep Medicare solvent.

So are any of these ideas being seriously discussed in the halls of government?

We all know the answer to that question. Here comes The Blob.

I'm Brian Riedl, Senior Fellow at the Manhattan Institute, for Prager University.

https://www.newsmax.com/finance/patrickwatson/social-security-medicare-nestorcongress/2014/02/26/id/554807/
Supreme Court: No Right to Social
Security
By Patrick Watson
Wednesday, 26 February 2014 07:30 AM
In a little-noticed decision, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Congress and the president could cut off your
Social Security benefits any time they please.
The first victim was a man named Ephram Nestor.
Nestor paid Social Security taxes for 19 years and was already receiving benefits when the government
stopped paying him. As you might imagine, Nestor was outraged and appealed all the way to the Supreme
Court. He argued that, having paid all those taxes, the government owed him "his" Social Security benefits.
Nestor lost. So will you and me, if we live long enough.
Why was this not front-page news? It was — back in 1960 when the high court ruled in Flemming vs.
Nestor. You can read the decision yourself online or at any law library.
The court's reasoning was quite simple: Social Security is not insurance. There is no contractual agreement
between taxpayer and government, like there would be with an insurance policy. The fact that Nestor paid
into the system was irrelevant. Congress can give, and Congress can take away.
This long-settled precedent is still in force today. As a strictly legal matter, Americans who spend a lifetime
watching "FICA" reduce their paychecks are simply paying one more tax. The fact that you paid this tax
creates no obligation on the government to give you anything in return.
Nestor's particular mistake was that he joined the U.S. Communist Party from 1933 to 1939. He then retired
in the midst of Cold War anti-communist fever in 1955. He was deported from the United States in 1956.
The Social Security Act specifically says no benefits can go to anyone deported for being a communist, but
Comrade Nestor may yet have the last laugh. He forced our highest court to rule that Social Security
benefits are not "property." The Fifth Amendment's Takings clause does not apply.
The Constitution's Due Process clause does apply, but is little comfort. "Due process," in this context,
simply means that Congress can change its mind anytime it wants.
The government can cancel the whole program tomorrow. They can stop paying benefits to retirees, but
continue withholding taxes from workers. They can do whatever they want because we elected them. That's
what due process means.
Now, realistically, no one needs to worry about Social Security disappearing. Congress knows better than
to kick that hornet's nest. Nevertheless, the Flemming vs. Nestor decision ought to make us re-think the
status of Social Security taxes and benefits.
Because FICA and Medicare liabilities start with your very first dollar earned, most Americans pay more
on those taxes than on income tax. There are no deductions or exemptions. If you earn a living legally, you pay the tax.
The common belief that FICA and Medicare taxes "earn" you some kind of benefit is completely false.
They are simply a regressive wage income tax. This mechanism lets politicians tax the poor much more
heavily than they admit.
On the other end of the bargain, people currently receiving Social Security benefits are not reaping the
reward of a long working life. The benefits are a gift that Washington officials dole out because they
believe they are is politically expedient. In other contexts, we call such payments "welfare."
Am I saying retirees don't deserve their benefits? No. I am criticizing politicians who routinely portray
Social Security as something that our "rule of law" long ago decided it is not. They are either lying or
ignorant of the facts.
Like so many other aspects of our government, reality and perception are two different things. Congress
likes it that way.
https://www.prageru.com/video/national-debt-who-ca... (show quote)


Wow. Interesting pieces.

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Jun 17, 2019 16:24:59   #
peg w
 
What about millionaires not paying for their fair share of taxes, instead of attacking Medicare and Social Security? We know how much these programs are going to cost. We should raise fair taxes to pay for them. Every April there are lists of large business who are paying nothing in taxes. Like Amazon this year. Stop the loopholds and we will have no problem paying our debts.

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Jun 17, 2019 16:34:35   #
Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Like so many other aspects of our government, reality and perception are two different things. Congress likes it that way.


yeppers...great post...here's more intel
https://home.solari.com/the-federal-government-cant-account-for-21-trillion-does-anybody-care/
https://missingmoney.solari.com/

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Jun 17, 2019 16:46:41   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
peg w wrote:
What about millionaires not paying for their fair share of taxes, instead of attacking Medicare and Social Security? We know how much these programs are going to cost. We should raise fair taxes to pay for them. Every April there are lists of large business who are paying nothing in taxes. Like Amazon this year. Stop the loopholds and we will have no problem paying our debts.


Oh boy, here we go again!

How about everyone pays their fair share?
How many Millionaires do you think there are in the U.S?
What must a person have to be a millionaire?
What is the purpose of taxes?
What is the purpose of government?
How do you define fair share? ...Fair taxes?
Do you know how Social Security and Medicare are funded?
How many large businesses pay no taxes, and why?
What are these loopholes you speak of?
Do you have any idea how to stop the loopholes?
Do you have a magic wand you can wave that will eliminate all the unfair aspects of the tax code?

Either you are new to OPP or you have refused to read previous threads about taxes, debt, monetary and fiscal policy, budgets, and on and on or learn anything from these posts. Do you have any idea of how these work? You should run, don't walk, to your nearest college and enroll in a macro-economics class. And if that is too much trouble, go to hillsdalecollege.edu where you can take a free online economics 101 course. Do it post haste! You won't regret it and you will learn some useful information at the same time.

Medicare and Social Security are not paid for by taxes, other than FICA and Medicare withholdings (which in other words is a tax).

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Jun 17, 2019 18:52:52   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
dtucker300 wrote:
https://www.prageru.com/video/national-debt-who-cares/

In the 1958 movie, The Blob, starring a young Steve McQueen, a giant, expanding mass – a blob – threatens to destroy an entire town and everyone in it. It keeps growing and growing, and no one can stop it.

The United States debt is like that blob. Unlike the fictional blob, it threatens to destroy more than an entire town; it threatens the entire nation.

Where is Steve McQueen when you need him?

Here are some numbers.

The national debt currently stands at $22 trillion dollars. That's trillion – with a 'T.' Ten years ago, it was $10 trillion dollars. Ten years from now, it's projected to be $34 trillion.

The interest payment on our debt is currently $300 billion dollars per year, heading towards a projected $1 trillion dollars within a decade. At that point, a fifth of all federal taxes will go towards the interest on the debt, not education, infrastructure, and defense – you know, the stuff government is supposed to do. And that's with historically low interest rates. Imagine if those rates normalized. Well, maybe you don't want to imagine it because that picture is very dark.

In a better world, voters would be marching on Washington, demanding that our politicians dig us out of this hole before we're buried in it.

In the real world... almost no one cares. But we should care. And any thinking person, left or right, understands why. No individual and no nation can accumulate debt indefinitely. Europe was able to bail out Greece with some loans a few years ago. But Greece is a small country. If the US goes 'boom,' there's going to be no one to bail us out. So what's driving the debt? And, more importantly, how do we drive ourselves out of it?

The debt has been growing for decades. It got supercharged by the 2008 recession. Revenues fell while spending soared. Under President Obama, the debt doubled from $10 trillion dollars to $20 trillion. In the first two years of the Trump Administration, we've added another $2 trillion dollars.

So what are we to do?

First, we need to identify the primary source of the problem. It's pretty basic. You can talk about defense spending, welfare spending, or bloated budgets all you want, but it really comes down to two programs: Social Security and Medicare. Unless we get a handle on these monsters, the debt blob will continue to expand until it overwhelms us.

According to data from the Congressional Budget Office, these two programs alone face a $100 trillion-dollar shortfall over the next three decades. How is that possible?

Well, for starters, you've got 74 million Baby Boomers rolling into retirement age – 10,000 a day. On top of that, Medicare recipients typically receive benefits that are triple the size of what they paid into the system. Without some serious adjustments, these programs are going to fail. This is not the fault of retirees. It is simple demographics and math.

Paying all promised benefits would require either raising the payroll tax from its current 15.3% to 33% or imposing a 34% national sales tax. No – squeezing the rich, slashing defense, or eliminating welfare won't come close to paying the bill. Neither will any plausible level of economic growth. The 100 trillion-dollar hole is too big.

So let's talk fairness. If Mom and Dad can't make the mortgage payment, they don't tell the kids to get full-time jobs to make up the shortfall. They move to a different house that matches their budget.

Likewise, when America promises senior citizens benefits far exceeding what they paid into the system, we should not tell young working families that their taxes must be doubled or tripled. We should instead pare back those benefits to an affordable level. That's only fair and sensible, right? But when it comes to the debt, neither of these qualities seems to figure in. So what can we can do? More to the point, what can you do?

First, be sure to save for your own retirement. Do not overly depend on a government that has promised more than it can possibly pay out to take care of you.

Second, tell Washington to get a spine and deal with Social Security and Medicare.

People live a lot longer than they did when Social Security was first conceived in 1935. We need to gradually raise the Social Security eligibility age to reflect that. It's now 66. We need to get it to 68, and then 70.

That's pretty straightforward. Medicare is trickier. But a good solution already exists, amazingly within the Medicare system – the prescription drug program. Almost unprecedented among government programs, this one has come in below initial projected costs. Why? Because insurance companies have to compete for seniors' prescription drug business. So let's give seniors more options to shop around for the Medicare plans they want. More choice and competition would stabilize costs, and give us a fighting chance to keep Medicare solvent.

So are any of these ideas being seriously discussed in the halls of government?

We all know the answer to that question. Here comes The Blob.

I'm Brian Riedl, Senior Fellow at the Manhattan Institute, for Prager University.

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Supreme Court: No Right to Social
Security
By Patrick Watson
Wednesday, 26 February 2014 07:30 AM
In a little-noticed decision, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Congress and the president could cut off your
Social Security benefits any time they please.
The first victim was a man named Ephram Nestor.
Nestor paid Social Security taxes for 19 years and was already receiving benefits when the government
stopped paying him. As you might imagine, Nestor was outraged and appealed all the way to the Supreme
Court. He argued that, having paid all those taxes, the government owed him "his" Social Security benefits.
Nestor lost. So will you and me, if we live long enough.
Why was this not front-page news? It was — back in 1960 when the high court ruled in Flemming vs.
Nestor. You can read the decision yourself online or at any law library.
The court's reasoning was quite simple: Social Security is not insurance. There is no contractual agreement
between taxpayer and government, like there would be with an insurance policy. The fact that Nestor paid
into the system was irrelevant. Congress can give, and Congress can take away.
This long-settled precedent is still in force today. As a strictly legal matter, Americans who spend a lifetime
watching "FICA" reduce their paychecks are simply paying one more tax. The fact that you paid this tax
creates no obligation on the government to give you anything in return.
Nestor's particular mistake was that he joined the U.S. Communist Party from 1933 to 1939. He then retired
in the midst of Cold War anti-communist fever in 1955. He was deported from the United States in 1956.
The Social Security Act specifically says no benefits can go to anyone deported for being a communist, but
Comrade Nestor may yet have the last laugh. He forced our highest court to rule that Social Security
benefits are not "property." The Fifth Amendment's Takings clause does not apply.
The Constitution's Due Process clause does apply, but is little comfort. "Due process," in this context,
simply means that Congress can change its mind anytime it wants.
The government can cancel the whole program tomorrow. They can stop paying benefits to retirees, but
continue withholding taxes from workers. They can do whatever they want because we elected them. That's
what due process means.
Now, realistically, no one needs to worry about Social Security disappearing. Congress knows better than
to kick that hornet's nest. Nevertheless, the Flemming vs. Nestor decision ought to make us re-think the
status of Social Security taxes and benefits.
Because FICA and Medicare liabilities start with your very first dollar earned, most Americans pay more
on those taxes than on income tax. There are no deductions or exemptions. If you earn a living legally, you pay the tax.
The common belief that FICA and Medicare taxes "earn" you some kind of benefit is completely false.
They are simply a regressive wage income tax. This mechanism lets politicians tax the poor much more
heavily than they admit.
On the other end of the bargain, people currently receiving Social Security benefits are not reaping the
reward of a long working life. The benefits are a gift that Washington officials dole out because they
believe they are is politically expedient. In other contexts, we call such payments "welfare."
Am I saying retirees don't deserve their benefits? No. I am criticizing politicians who routinely portray
Social Security as something that our "rule of law" long ago decided it is not. They are either lying or
ignorant of the facts.
Like so many other aspects of our government, reality and perception are two different things. Congress
likes it that way.
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Which federal programs require recipients to pay into them, defense, welfare, federal retirement? Nope, none of those, in fact, it is only Social Security and Medicare that have that requirement......................all the others are 100% taxpayer funded.

When looking at a federal government budget ( when they bother to create one ), or pie chart of spending, one will see substantial amounts under SS and MC..................but none of them show income from payroll deductions and premium payments. Every dollar deducted from one's pay for SS and MC, are used to buy Treasury bonds, proceeds that the government spends immediately as income.......promising to buy them back in the future.

Not only do we taxpayers pay increasing amounts on the national debt, we pay billions to get our OWN money back by retiring T bills. The government does NOT calculate the difference between expenditures and incoming payments for citizens MC and SS accounts. This leads to the completely false impression that MC and SS are costing taxpayers a bundle.

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Which federal programs require recipients to pay into them, defense, welfare, federal retirement? Nope, none of those, in fact, it is only Social Security and Medicare that have that requirement......................all the others are 100% taxpayer funded.

When looking at a federal government budget ( when they bother to create one ), or pie chart of spending, one will see substantial amounts under SS and MC..................but none of them show income from payroll deductions and premium payments. Every dollar deducted from one's pay for SS and MC, are used to buy Treasury bonds, proceeds that the government spends immediately as income.......promising to buy them back in the future.

Not only do we taxpayers pay increasing amounts on the national debt, we pay billions to get our OWN money back by retiring T bills. The government does NOT calculate the difference between expenditures and incoming payments for citizens MC and SS accounts. This leads to the completely false impression that MC and SS are costing taxpayers a bundle.
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I agree. The government has been robbing MC since the made it a "tax" in the late 60s/early 70s.

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