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Jun 15, 2019 09:32:49   #
TrueAmerican
 
Kevyn wrote:
There is a reasonably good chance that after he is out of office Trump will be put on trial for at least one felony and face prison. Even Trumps cult recognizes this possibility and in this post I am not interested in that debate. My question is wether an ex president who is convicted and sent to prison is entitled to the same treatment as other presidents such as a library and state funeral?


Well as soon as they charge, indict, prosecute and convict obammie I'll let you know MORE ON !!!!!!

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Jun 15, 2019 09:33:36   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
Kevyn wrote:
What could be nicer than Trump spending the rest of his days in the penitentiary?



Seeing you in the penitentiary for hatred.

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Jun 15, 2019 17:43:27   #
jwrevagent
 
Kevyn wrote:
As I said his guilt is not what I wanted to bring up or debate with this post. If you can’t accept the rather obvious criminality of your Orange savior just speculate that some Judas in the “deep state” betrays him for 30 pieces of silver...or a reduced sentence and he is sent to prison. Surely you see this as a possibility. Now if a president is tried and sent to prison should they be afforded a library, state funeral and other honors bestowed on ex presidents?


I do not see that Trump has done anything so far that merits indictment and imprisonment, but you do not want to have that discussion, so I guess you might want to look at the first Johnson, and see what would have happened if he had been found guilty-would he have had a library and stuff? What about Nixon? Does he have a library? Was given a state funeral, or did he not want one? Who started with the library nonsense, anyway? I have heard little of Obama's plans for his, and haven't heard that the plans are even made-only that the place he wanted it said no. I would suspect that yup, since he had served as president, and only after his term was he indicted and imprisoned, he would be entitled to all the perks. Wonder what the Secret Service would do-go to prison with him? He is entitled to that protection as a former president! I rather doubt that Trump will go to prison for anything. First of all, there is a two tiered system of justice in this country, the rich and powerful and leftists do not ever pay for their wrongdoing-I use Hillary, Obama, Comey, Biden, Holder, Lynch, and others as examples.

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Jun 15, 2019 17:47:56   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
jwrevagent wrote:
I do not see that Trump has done anything so far that merits indictment and imprisonment, but you do not want to have that discussion, so I guess you might want to look at the first Johnson, and see what would have happened if he had been found guilty-would he have had a library and stuff? What about Nixon? Does he have a library? Was given a state funeral, or did he not want one? Who started with the library nonsense, anyway? I have heard little of Obama's plans for his, and haven't heard that the plans are even made-only that the place he wanted it said no. I would suspect that yup, since he had served as president, and only after his term was he indicted and imprisoned, he would be entitled to all the perks. Wonder what the Secret Service would do-go to prison with him? He is entitled to that protection as a former president! I rather doubt that Trump will go to prison for anything. First of all, there is a two tiered system of justice in this country, the rich and powerful and leftists do not ever pay for their wrongdoing-I use Hillary, Obama, Comey, Biden, Holder, Lynch, and others as examples.
I do not see that Trump has done anything so far t... (show quote)




It's been said that Obama now wants his library on the Temple Mount in old Jerusalem.

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Jun 15, 2019 19:33:48   #
jwrevagent
 
byronglimish wrote:
It's been said that Obama now wants his library on the Temple Mount in old Jerusalem.


That actually makes sense, since he thinks he is Solomon, and David and the Messiah, all rolled into one. Narcissistic egoist and elitist. Yoicks. Thank you, Lord for saving this country in spite of Obama, Hillary, et al.

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Jun 15, 2019 19:39:44   #
woodguru
 
Kevyn wrote:
There is a reasonably good chance that after he is out of office Trump will be put on trial for at least one felony and face prison. Even Trumps cult recognizes this possibility and in this post I am not interested in that debate. My question is wether an ex president who is convicted and sent to prison is entitled to the same treatment as other presidents such as a library and state funeral?


He won't need secret service protection though will he?

Trump isn't a reader, why would he have a library?

Funeral, that should be a New Orleans style celebration.

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Jun 15, 2019 19:43:35   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
jwrevagent wrote:
That actually makes sense, since he thinks he is Solomon, and David and the Messiah, all rolled into one. Narcissistic egoist and elitist. Yoicks. Thank you, Lord for saving this country in spite of Obama, Hillary, et al.


Thank the Lord Amen!

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Jun 15, 2019 21:08:37   #
GmanTerry
 
Kevyn wrote:
What could be nicer than Trump spending the rest of his days in the penitentiary?


Kevyn, that is an easy answer. The nicest thing In can think of is the traitor Hillary Clinton dangling from the end of a rope. She monitized every single thing she touched. Why did the board of directors of Uranium One give her foundation millions of dollars? Why did the UAE and the Saudi's give the Clinton Foundation millions of dollars? She is the most criminal politician to ever have lived. Everything was for sale. LOCK HER UP!!!!

Semper Fi

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Jun 15, 2019 21:20:31   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
woodguru wrote:
He won't need secret service protection though will he?

Trump isn't a reader, why would he have a library?

Funeral, that should be a New Orleans style celebration.


Just whose funeral are you talking about,Wood???

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Jun 15, 2019 22:10:17   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Kevyn wrote:
There is a reasonably good chance that after he is out of office Trump will be put on trial for at least one felony and face prison. Even Trumps cult recognizes this possibility and in this post I am not interested in that debate. My question is wether an ex president who is convicted and sent to prison is entitled to the same treatment as other presidents such as a library and state funeral?


We'll see what happens with Obama.

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Jun 16, 2019 10:51:09   #
GIGEE QEBECQUA
 
For as long as there has been human language, humans have been using it to manipulate one another. The fact that it is possible to skillfully weave a collection of symbolic mouth noises together in such a way as to extract favors, concessions, votes and consent from other humans has made manipulation so common that it now pervades our society from top to bottom, from personal relationships between two people to international relationships between government agencies and the public. This has made it very difficult to figure out what’s going on, both in our lives and in the world. whether that be the manipulations you may encounter in your small-scale personal interactions or the large-scale manipulations which impact the entire world: Understand the fact that humans are storytelling animals, and that whoever controls the stories controls the humans. Mental narrative dominates human consciousness; thought is essentially one continuous, churning monologue about the self and what it reckons is going on in its world, and that monologue is composed entirely of mental stories. These stories can and will be manipulated, on an individual scale by people we encounter and on a mass scale by skillful propagandists. We base our actions on our mental assessments of what’s going on in the world, and those mental assessments can be manipulated by narrative control. Be humble and open enough to know that you can be fooled. Your cognitive wiring is susceptible to the same hacks as everyone else, and manipulators of all sorts are always looking to exploit those vulnerabilities. It’s not shameful to be deceived, it’s shameful to deceive people. Don’t let shame and cognitive dissonance keep you compartmentalized away from considering the possibility that you’ve been duped in some way. Trust your own understanding above anyone else’s. It might not be perfect, but it’s a damn sight better than letting your understanding be controlled by narrative managers and dopey partisan groupthink, or by literally anyone else in a narrative landscape that is saturated with propaganda and manipulation. You won’t get everything right, but betting on your own understanding is the very safest bet on the table. It can be intimidating to stand alone and sort out the true from the false by yourself on an instance-by-instance basis, but the alternative is giving someone else authority over your understanding of the world. Abdicating your responsibility to come to a clear understanding of what’s going on in your world is a shameful, cowardly thing to do. Be brave enough to insist that you are right until such time as you yourself come to your own understanding that you were wrong. Find reliable news reporters who have a good sense for navigating the narrative matrix, and keep track of them to orient yourself and stay on top of what’s going on. Use individual reporters, not outlets; no outlet is 100 percent solid, but some reporters are pretty close on some specific subjects. Don’t let paranoia be your primary or only tool for navigating the narrative matrix. Some people’s only means of understanding the world is to become intensely suspicious of everything and everyone, which is about as useful as a compass which tells you that every direction is north. Spend time in conspiracy and media criticism circles and you’ll run into many such people. Rejecting everything as false leaves you with nothing as true. Find positive tools for learning what’s true. Speaking of confident, authoritative tones, be suspicious of confident, authoritative tones. It’s amazing how much traction people can get with a narrative just by posturing as though they know that what they’re saying is true, whether they’re an MSNBC or FOX NEWS pundit or a popular conspiracy You tuber. So many people are just plain faking it, because it works. You run into this all the time in debates on online political forums; people come at you with a supremely confident posture, but if you push them to present their knowledge on the subject and the strength of their arguments, there’s not actually anything there. They’re just accustomed to people assuming they know what they’re talking about and leaving their claims unchallenged, and it completely throws them off when someone doesn’t buy their feigned confidence schtick. Be aware of projection, and be aware of the fact that it cuts both ways: unhealthy people tend to project their wickedness onto others, while healthy people tend to project their goodness. Don’t let your goodness trick you into thinking there aren’t monsters who will deceive and manipulate you, and don’t let sociopaths project their own sinister motives onto you by telling you how rotten you are. This mixes a lot of good people up, especially in their personal lives. Not everyone is good, and not everyone is truthful. See this clearly. Understand that truth doesn’t generally move in a way that is pleasing to the ego, i.e. in a way Hollywood scripts are written to appeal to. Any narrative that points to a Hollywood ending where the bad guy gets karate kicked into lava and the hero gets the girl is manufactured. Russia gate and QAnon are both perfect examples of an egoically pleasing narrative with the promise of a Hollywood ending, either by Trump and his cohorts being dragged off in chains or by the “white hats” overcoming the Deep State and throwing all the Democrats and Never-Trumpers in prison for pedophilia. Ain’t gonna happen, folks. Remember that when it comes to foreign policy, the neocons are always wrong. They’ve been so remarkably consistent in this for so long that whenever there’s a question about any narrative involving hostilities between the US-centralized power alliance and any other nation, you can just look at what Bill Kristol, Max Boot and John Bolton are saying about it and believe the exact opposite. They’re actually a very helpful navigation tool in this way. Hold your worldview loosely enough that you can change it at any time in the light of new information, but not so loosely that it can be slapped out of your head by someone telling you what to think in a confident, authoritative tone. As Carl Sagan once said, “It pays to keep an open mind, but not so open your brains fall out.”

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Jun 16, 2019 11:10:55   #
Mikeyavelli
 
GIGEE QEBECQUA wrote:
For as long as there has been human language, humans have been using it to manipulate one another. The fact that it is possible to skillfully weave a collection of symbolic mouth noises together in such a way as to extract favors, concessions, votes and consent from other humans has made manipulation so common that it now pervades our society from top to bottom, from personal relationships between two people to international relationships between government agencies and the public. This has made it very difficult to figure out what’s going on, both in our lives and in the world. whether that be the manipulations you may encounter in your small-scale personal interactions or the large-scale manipulations which impact the entire world: Understand the fact that humans are storytelling animals, and that whoever controls the stories controls the humans. Mental narrative dominates human consciousness; thought is essentially one continuous, churning monologue about the self and what it reckons is going on in its world, and that monologue is composed entirely of mental stories. These stories can and will be manipulated, on an individual scale by people we encounter and on a mass scale by skillful propagandists. We base our actions on our mental assessments of what’s going on in the world, and those mental assessments can be manipulated by narrative control. Be humble and open enough to know that you can be fooled. Your cognitive wiring is susceptible to the same hacks as everyone else, and manipulators of all sorts are always looking to exploit those vulnerabilities. It’s not shameful to be deceived, it’s shameful to deceive people. Don’t let shame and cognitive dissonance keep you compartmentalized away from considering the possibility that you’ve been duped in some way. Trust your own understanding above anyone else’s. It might not be perfect, but it’s a damn sight better than letting your understanding be controlled by narrative managers and dopey partisan groupthink, or by literally anyone else in a narrative landscape that is saturated with propaganda and manipulation. You won’t get everything right, but betting on your own understanding is the very safest bet on the table. It can be intimidating to stand alone and sort out the true from the false by yourself on an instance-by-instance basis, but the alternative is giving someone else authority over your understanding of the world. Abdicating your responsibility to come to a clear understanding of what’s going on in your world is a shameful, cowardly thing to do. Be brave enough to insist that you are right until such time as you yourself come to your own understanding that you were wrong. Find reliable news reporters who have a good sense for navigating the narrative matrix, and keep track of them to orient yourself and stay on top of what’s going on. Use individual reporters, not outlets; no outlet is 100 percent solid, but some reporters are pretty close on some specific subjects. Don’t let paranoia be your primary or only tool for navigating the narrative matrix. Some people’s only means of understanding the world is to become intensely suspicious of everything and everyone, which is about as useful as a compass which tells you that every direction is north. Spend time in conspiracy and media criticism circles and you’ll run into many such people. Rejecting everything as false leaves you with nothing as true. Find positive tools for learning what’s true. Speaking of confident, authoritative tones, be suspicious of confident, authoritative tones. It’s amazing how much traction people can get with a narrative just by posturing as though they know that what they’re saying is true, whether they’re an MSNBC or FOX NEWS pundit or a popular conspiracy You tuber. So many people are just plain faking it, because it works. You run into this all the time in debates on online political forums; people come at you with a supremely confident posture, but if you push them to present their knowledge on the subject and the strength of their arguments, there’s not actually anything there. They’re just accustomed to people assuming they know what they’re talking about and leaving their claims unchallenged, and it completely throws them off when someone doesn’t buy their feigned confidence schtick. Be aware of projection, and be aware of the fact that it cuts both ways: unhealthy people tend to project their wickedness onto others, while healthy people tend to project their goodness. Don’t let your goodness trick you into thinking there aren’t monsters who will deceive and manipulate you, and don’t let sociopaths project their own sinister motives onto you by telling you how rotten you are. This mixes a lot of good people up, especially in their personal lives. Not everyone is good, and not everyone is truthful. See this clearly. Understand that truth doesn’t generally move in a way that is pleasing to the ego, i.e. in a way Hollywood scripts are written to appeal to. Any narrative that points to a Hollywood ending where the bad guy gets karate kicked into lava and the hero gets the girl is manufactured. Russia gate and QAnon are both perfect examples of an egoically pleasing narrative with the promise of a Hollywood ending, either by Trump and his cohorts being dragged off in chains or by the “white hats” overcoming the Deep State and throwing all the Democrats and Never-Trumpers in prison for pedophilia. Ain’t gonna happen, folks. Remember that when it comes to foreign policy, the neocons are always wrong. They’ve been so remarkably consistent in this for so long that whenever there’s a question about any narrative involving hostilities between the US-centralized power alliance and any other nation, you can just look at what Bill Kristol, Max Boot and John Bolton are saying about it and believe the exact opposite. They’re actually a very helpful navigation tool in this way. Hold your worldview loosely enough that you can change it at any time in the light of new information, but not so loosely that it can be slapped out of your head by someone telling you what to think in a confident, authoritative tone. As Carl Sagan once said, “It pays to keep an open mind, but not so open your brains fall out.”
For as long as there has been human language, huma... (show quote)

Whew! That was good!
But you wound up rooting for the guys who are going to get karate kicked into the lava.

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Jun 16, 2019 12:10:41   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, CO
 
This question by kevy boi is a hypothetical stupid one, which we have come to expect from him. President Trump will never serve a minute in prison, much to the disappointment of our resident libtoids. Definitely not a 'perplexing question', but an ignorant one~

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Jun 16, 2019 12:30:50   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Jakebrake wrote:
This question by kevy boi is a hypothetical stupid one, which we have come to expect from him. President Trump will never serve a minute in prison, much to the disappointment of our resident libtoids. Definitely not a 'perplexing question', but an ignorant one~


Yeah, but what irks me is that no one in the Obama Clinton Cabal will either.
Barr is going to "make sure that this never happens again " and that will be the end of it. Coup goes on, and all of Washington DC is happy.

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Jun 16, 2019 12:38:11   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Yeah, but what irks me is that no one in the Obama Clinton Cabal will either.
Barr is going to "make sure that this never happens again " and that will be the end of it. Coup goes on, and all of Washington DC is happy.


I believe that your analysis is spot on the conclusion of the "matter"..

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