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Mar 31, 2014 06:12:04   #
Steve700
 
lpnmajor wrote:
The most evil person in the world is one's self. Learning to love others is a way to tame that inherent evil. Selfishness, self centeredness and ego centrism are the opposite of love.

True --- But, But, BUT, you should realize that we are all flawed creatures with a basically evil & sinful nature which we must be cultured out of - & therefore we are in need of redemption. But I believe you're missing my point - evil must be stood up to or it will succeed and overwhelm. That means you have to be able to recognize evil, call it what it is and stand up against it. DO NOT interpret my words to mean that I am mean-spirited. That is nothing more than projection; the lie of liberal self-delusion that conservatives are evil, the purpose of which is to feel good about themselves by the comparison.

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Mar 31, 2014 06:37:45   #
Cody
 
The way I see it, when a person has no education - free though it is - they are the ones on the losing end and the ones who create this poverty by relying on the Govt to give them food stamps, unemployment checks forever. This joker right here is a shining example of what is wrong with this country. http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2013/08/lobster-eating-food-stamp-beach-bum-video-reports-2696838.html

He's nothing but a beach bum and relies on the govt to support his lazy ways. He draws 189.00 a month in food stamps... buys lobster with it when it's on sale... no telling what else he buys too. What work he does is his mouth... he sings, plays a guitar in a band and mooches off a friend for housing and food along with his food stamps. He's able bodied and capable of work... but his main asset is LAZINESS.

Why should anyone support the lazy... the women who shack around having one baby after the other so the govt will have to pay for them for the next 18 years ...all at the cost of US taxpayers... This is what this country of people have come to.... lazy bums living off the backs of those who work and pay into the system.

If these bums are not working, they're selling drugs... where they make more money doing that and dont have to work other then enticing others to buy there stuff. The losers of this country are the ones who roam the streets at night killing others, raping and stealing something you didn't work for. Those who crash into buildings to steal all that place has worked for during a lifetime of hard work while some joker takes it away in 5 mintues time.

Up and till people start having some morals, things will never change. There are jobs out there... such as mowing yards, helping build stuff..sackers in grocery stores, if only the lazy would work... but why should they work when the Govt pays you to stay at home and collect checks each month. The people of today have a mentality breakdown.... then blame their misfortunes on the ones who do have a job and are responsible.

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Mar 31, 2014 06:39:58   #
J Anthony Loc: Connecticut
 
Steve700 wrote:
You don't help the poor guy by getting them on welfare, so much as you do by encouraging strong family units and teaching and preaching morals, ethics, values, personal responsibility,reliability, accountability and honest and discipline. The evil of the left is that they want to get everyone they can, dependent on the government so we will have a country of mostly all Democratic voters. The idea is thusly take over and get rid of conservatives and the Republican Party forever. The path were on is leading to tyranny and an equality of everyone being poor, equally poor. You liberals need to study history and you would understand that the path you suggest and what all this noble sounding communist propaganda leads to. The Bible says those who do not work should not eat. The idea behind conservatism is that we make our own way in this world we have free will and the choices we make, determine our destiny. You liberals want policies that leads to everyone gaining an entitlement mentality. I've listen to these socialist pundits; they want to rub raw the sores of discontent making people feel helpless, cheated by life, disenfranchised and oppressed. That is sick and very detrimental to society but it is the Libtard way.
You don't help the poor guy by getting them on wel... (show quote)


No one in their right mind should have to go to such lengths to justify hate and inequality. You hate everything and everyone you disagree with, and what good does it do? Blaming ignorant selfish liberals for all our problems is playing into the hands of their opponents. Most people KNOW we can't all love eachother, that political correctness is a hindrance to truth, and that nothing will ever be perfect, regardless of their politics. At this point in time I don't understand how anyone allows themselves to get sucked into this "hate the other side cuz its all their fault" mentality.

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Mar 31, 2014 06:57:37   #
Patty
 
If they can keep peoples eye off the corp welfare then they can continue to steal the tax payers money. Quite frankly we could support the lazy easily if we weren't supporting the greedy corporations.
You can’t reform welfare programs for the poor until you’ve gotten Daddy Warbucks off the dole. Part of the explanation is that too many have gotten confused about the difference between free-market capitalism and crony capitalism.
http://usawatchdog.com/zero-prosecutions-of-elites-for-most-destructive-frauds-in-world-history-william-black/



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Mar 31, 2014 07:02:19   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
Cody wrote:
The way I see it, when a person has no education - free though it is - they are the ones on the losing end and the ones who create this poverty by relying on the Govt to give them food stamps, unemployment checks forever. This joker right here is a shining example of what is wrong with this country. http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2013/08/lobster-eating-food-stamp-beach-bum-video-reports-2696838.html

He's nothing but a beach bum and relies on the govt to support his lazy ways. He draws 189.00 a month in food stamps... buys lobster with it when it's on sale... no telling what else he buys too. What work he does is his mouth... he sings, plays a guitar in a band and mooches off a friend for housing and food along with his food stamps. He's able bodied and capable of work... but his main asset is LAZINESS.

Why should anyone support the lazy... the women who shack around having one baby after the other so the govt will have to pay for them for the next 18 years ...all at the cost of US taxpayers... This is what this country of people have come to.... lazy bums living off the backs of those who work and pay into the system.

If these bums are not working, they're selling drugs... where they make more money doing that and dont have to work other then enticing others to buy there stuff. The losers of this country are the ones who roam the streets at night killing others, raping and stealing something you didn't work for. Those who crash into buildings to steal all that place has worked for during a lifetime of hard work while some joker takes it away in 5 mintues time.

Up and till people start having some morals, things will never change. There are jobs out there... such as mowing yards, helping build stuff..sackers in grocery stores, if only the lazy would work... but why should they work when the Govt pays you to stay at home and collect checks each month. The people of today have a mentality breakdown.... then blame their misfortunes on the ones who do have a job and are responsible.
The way I see it, when a person has no education -... (show quote)

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Will you please get off that guy. The incident is almost as old as the Tea Party. I can visualize you with green feathers repeating whatever has been taught to you. Can't you even come up with something original? OR would that "hurt your head"?

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Mar 31, 2014 09:19:27   #
Steve700
 
J Anthony wrote:
No one in their right mind should have to go to such lengths to justify hate and inequality. You hate everything and everyone you disagree with, and what good does it do? Blaming ignorant selfish liberals for all our problems is playing into the hands of their opponents. Most people KNOW we can't all love each other, that political correctness is a hindrance to truth, and that nothing will ever be perfect, regardless of their politics. At this point in time I don't understand how anyone allows themselves to get sucked into this "hate the other side cuz its all their fault" mentality.
No one in their right mind should have to go to su... (show quote)
You, probably have good intentions but are having your mind molded by all the Communist propaganda to the point where you have no wisdom and have moved into the opposite land of your religion of Marxist humanism. If you had a brain in your head you should realize the path were on and from history what that leads to. You think the leftists in America can do it different - you think it will be different in America? It never turns out different. Everything I've said that you call hating the other side is true. 100% true.

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Mar 31, 2014 10:25:29   #
kattmanduu
 
In all of my posts here I made no claim that my belief or religion should be made the law of the land, maybe it should, but. In 1776 we revolted as a people against the kings church and decided we should allow all people to have what ever belief they want, and that the state/government would not support any religion leaving that up to the individual to decide. I am all for that.
I think that all these laws being presented at the state and federal levels of government that are in support of any religions teachings are all totally against the 1st amendment. We all have as individual human beings the equal right to choose or make choices in how we live as long as we don't hurt our fellow citizens or force them to follow what we choose to do.
You say we should be teaching "moral values" to our children, may be a good idea, maybe you should sit in on a few classes yourself too. But do not force them on everyone in the public schools or in any schools that get support from the government.
If science is against your belief then don't use it or anything gained from the use of real science, but don't deny others the right to learn all they can about real science. Science is based on facts, not beliefs, religion is beliefs that has very little facts involved only hope and ancient stories passed down by word of mouth for centuries before they were even wrote down. It's your right to believe in them but that's as far as your rights go. You don't have a right to force those beliefs on everyone. I don't care what you think about someone else and their lifestyle choices they have the right to live that way and you have no right to force them to live your way via your chosen belief system. Nor can you deny them equal rights or privileges from the government, because you don't like what they do or their lifestyle is against your religion.
As a disabled Veteran of over 18 years military service I laid it all on the line to defend our rights and liberties as a people and as a nation. I made the choice to enlist when I 17 years old. I did not sign up to take other people lands or resources for the profit/gain of private corporations.
As I look back on those times and the activities of my own government I find that most of it's conflict type activities were actually those very things I was not in it for. Very little of our countries military activities carried out over about the last 65 years had little to do with the actual defense of our
country only to protect the interests of corporations and to support the genocidal agenda of israel who in-turn do not support our interests nor do they share our "values" or freedoms/liberties. I agree with Washington and his views of treaties and agreements made with other nations, they should not be long term nor should they go against our nations will as a whole.

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Mar 31, 2014 10:55:11   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
J Anthony wrote:
No one in their right mind should have to go to such lengths to justify hate and inequality. You hate everything and everyone you disagree with, and what good does it do? Blaming ignorant selfish liberals for all our problems is playing into the hands of their opponents. Most people KNOW we can't all love eachother, that political correctness is a hindrance to truth, and that nothing will ever be perfect, regardless of their politics. At this point in time I don't understand how anyone allows themselves to get sucked into this "hate the other side cuz its all their fault" mentality.
No one in their right mind should have to go to su... (show quote)

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Mar 31, 2014 11:19:52   #
She Wolf Loc: Currently Georgia
 
kattmanduu wrote:
OK, how do we help the poor guys out of poverty? Hey, here's a novel idea let's get them jobs that pay enough to get them out of poverty. Let's help to educate them to be able to find their way out. Let's not close all the factories here and move them to China, so there will be jobs here for the poor folks here. Let's have our public schools provide an equal education for all too. That's not happening is it? The ones who need to best possible education are given the worst possible education thus holding them down, forcing them to either go on public assistance or resort to less than legal means to survive. Minimum wage jobs are not the answer to getting them out of poverty, most of the minimum wage positions have no room for any advancement or promotion.
This society of greed (capitalism) or profits at all costs is the downfall of our once great free market society.
Progress means to advance or move forward, not be stagnate. That is what Jefferson and the gang were on about. That is why they wanted change and allowed for it in the US Constitution. They said that all were created equal and we all should have an equal chance. That is why they allowed for government supported education for all. That should help all have an equal chance at success.
When you look at the actual welfare system we do have, the majority of those getting it are white folks followed by the black folks etc. To address poverty at it's roots we have to look at education first, then at industry at all levels where the majority of the jobs are and then at society in general.
Maybe our welfare system needs to include some technical education along with the financial help to get them on their way to independence and out of poverty. Then industry has to accept that education as real and hire those educated folks to work in their plants or factories here.
It seems that our leaders of industry cannot be good stewards of the planet on their own so we must legislate it, and they end up spending more money fighting the environmental regulations than it would cost them to comply with them. It is the corporate/capitalist greed that has driven many into poverty for the sake of ever increasing profits for the lazy greedy stock holders who live off the profits and don't have a real job. I call these stock holders "camel leaders" and the poor man is the one stuck holding the needle for them to lead their camel through.
Don't try legislate your morality because you can't follow the rules either.
OK, how do we help the poor guys out of poverty? H... (show quote)


This country has not been destroyed by the poor. It has been destroyed by the corporations and bankers. We say we believe in capitalism yet we bail out banks and corporations. In true capitalism you succeed or fail by your abilities.

We complain about social programs yet we subsidize corporations by giving their employees medicaid, food stamps, section 8 housing and money . Thus enabling the corporation to pay slave wages.
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Mar 31, 2014 11:29:02   #
Patty
 
Yep.
She Wolf wrote:
This country has not been destroyed by the poor. It has been destroyed by the corporations and bankers. We say we believe in capitalism yet we bail out banks and corporations. In true capitalism you succeed or fail by your abilities.

We complain about social programs yet we subsidize corporations by giving their employees medicaid, food stamps, section 8 housing and money . Thus enabling the corporation to pay slave wages.
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Mar 31, 2014 11:33:48   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
kattmanduu wrote:
OK, how do we help the poor guys out of poverty? Hey, here's a novel idea let's get them jobs that pay enough to get them out of poverty. Let's help to educate them to be able to find their way out. Let's not close all the factories here and move them to China, so there will be jobs here for the poor folks here. Let's have our public schools provide an equal education for all too. That's not happening is it? The ones who need to best possible education are given the worst possible education thus holding them down, forcing them to either go on public assistance or resort to less than legal means to survive. Minimum wage jobs are not the answer to getting them out of poverty, most of the minimum wage positions have no room for any advancement or promotion.
This society of greed (capitalism) or profits at all costs is the downfall of our once great free market society.
Progress means to advance or move forward, not be stagnate. That is what Jefferson and the gang were on about. That is why they wanted change and allowed for it in the US Constitution. They said that all were created equal and we all should have an equal chance. That is why they allowed for government supported education for all. That should help all have an equal chance at success.
When you look at the actual welfare system we do have, the majority of those getting it are white folks followed by the black folks etc. To address poverty at it's roots we have to look at education first, then at industry at all levels where the majority of the jobs are and then at society in general.
Maybe our welfare system needs to include some technical education along with the financial help to get them on their way to independence and out of poverty. Then industry has to accept that education as real and hire those educated folks to work in their plants or factories here.
It seems that our leaders of industry cannot be good stewards of the planet on their own so we must legislate it, and they end up spending more money fighting the environmental regulations than it would cost them to comply with them. It is the corporate/capitalist greed that has driven many into poverty for the sake of ever increasing profits for the lazy greedy stock holders who live off the profits and don't have a real job. I call these stock holders "camel leaders" and the poor man is the one stuck holding the needle for them to lead their camel through.
Don't try legislate your morality because you can't follow the rules either.
OK, how do we help the poor guys out of poverty? H... (show quote)


By all means get them jobs. Create a company to manufacture a product, and hire only poor people, whether they have the expertise to do the job or not. the only requirement is that they are poor. See how long the company lasts..

It is not the Government's job to get jobs for people, it is the job of private industry to create companies and hire suitable people to work for it. Since these companies exist to make profits, they are on your hate list, so where do the jobs come from? In your world the government makes new jobs for people whether the jobs are needed or not. You apparently do not realize that someone has to pay the unneeded workers to do unwanted jobs. That is the difference between free enterprise and socialism.

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Mar 31, 2014 13:22:45   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Steve700 wrote:
True --- But, But, BUT, you should realize that we are all flawed creatures with a basically evil & sinful nature which we must be cultured out of - & therefore we are in need of redemption. But I believe you're missing my point - evil must be stood up to or it will succeed and overwhelm. That means you have to be able to recognize evil, call it what it is and stand up against it. DO NOT interpret my words to mean that I am mean-spirited. That is nothing more than projection; the lie of liberal self-delusion that conservatives are evil, the purpose of which is to feel good about themselves by the comparison.
True --- But, But, BUT, you should realize that w... (show quote)


Ah, but there is science. Dozens of books authored by scientist seeking to disprove the Bible, and becoming Christians based on the science.

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Mar 31, 2014 15:37:24   #
J Anthony Loc: Connecticut
 
Steve700 wrote:
You, probably have good intentions but are having your mind molded by all the Communist propaganda to the point where you have no wisdom and have moved into the opposite land of your religion of Marxist humanism. If you had a brain in your head you should realize the path were on and from history what that leads to. You think the leftists in America can do it different - you think it will be different in America? It never turns out different. Everything I've said that you call hating the other side is true. 100% true.
You, probably have good intentions but are having ... (show quote)


Here we go with the insults. Look, you sound as brainwashed to me as I sound to you. I am not a Marxist, never have been. I have a pretty good idea of where we are headed and why. Do you, sir, realize that private bankers own the Earth? That they are the most powerful people on the planet, because they create and control the currency and the credit through their usurious "fractional reserve" method and debt-as-money trap, and no one can do anything without money, right? They have tethered 60% of the world's economy to this parasitic debt-trap and are looking to expand. This is a prime root-cause of our economic and societal instability, and that is also 100% the truth. I would love to hear your thoughts on what should be done about this. I have enough of a brain in my head to know ideological conflict pales in comparison to this problem. How about you?

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Mar 31, 2014 16:08:59   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Patty wrote:
If they can keep peoples eye off the corp welfare then they can continue to steal the tax payers money. Quite frankly we could support the lazy easily if we weren't supporting the greedy corporations.
You can’t reform welfare programs for the poor until you’ve gotten Daddy Warbucks off the dole. Part of the explanation is that too many have gotten confused about the difference between free-market capitalism and crony capitalism.
http://usawatchdog.com/zero-prosecutions-of-elites-for-most-destructive-frauds-in-world-history-william-black/
If they can keep peoples eye off the corp welfare ... (show quote)


Yes, exactly! The truth is, poor people are CREATED by this monstrosity and perpetuated by it. Wealthy capitalists don't prey on the rich, they only prey on the poor, well, the middle class, which will become poor by this process. The Government does the same thing, because they are owned by the same people. Consider POS taxes. Local governments tax at POS, which means taxing amounts of Fed and State tax already included. Example; a pack of cigarettes, let's say, sold at $4.50. That price includes $1.75 Fed tax and $1.25 State tax. POS tax is 8.5%, which means paying the State tax on money, which is a tax. Paying tax on tax would be like having to pay a percentage of your income tax, IN ADDITION TO, the income tax itself. Double dipping. Rich people rarely pay POS taxes.

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Mar 31, 2014 16:19:17   #
Patty
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Yes, exactly! The truth is, poor people are CREATED by this monstrosity and perpetuated by it. Wealthy capitalists don't prey on the rich, they only prey on the poor, well, the middle class, which will become poor by this process. The Government does the same thing, because they are owned by the same people. Consider POS taxes. Local governments tax at POS, which means taxing amounts of Fed and State tax already included. Example; a pack of cigarettes, let's say, sold at $4.50. That price includes $1.75 Fed tax and $1.25 State tax. POS tax is 8.5%, which means paying the State tax on money, which is a tax. Paying tax on tax would be like having to pay a percentage of your income tax, IN ADDITION TO, the income tax itself. Double dipping. Rich people rarely pay POS taxes.
Yes, exactly! The truth is, poor people are CREATE... (show quote)


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