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May 7, 2019 08:21:20   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
This post is for all you guys who believe in the hype that 1) vaccines are safe, and 2) vaccines such as the MMR vaccine prevent Measles. https://www.collective-evolution.com/2019/05/06/paediatrician-explains-fallacy-of-media-hyped-hysteria-about-the-measles/


IN BRIEF
The Facts:Dr. Bob Sears, a paediatrician, in an interview with Del Bigtree shares some facts about measles as well as the measles vaccine that the mainstream media is completely ignoring.

Reflect On:Why is fear constantly used to push vaccination? Why does the mainstream never address nor counter the points made by vaccine awareness advocates and simply labels them as "anti-vax conspiracy theorists?"

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May 7, 2019 17:31:42   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
ACP45 wrote:
This post is for all you guys who believe in the hype that 1) vaccines are safe, and 2) vaccines such as the MMR vaccine prevent Measles. https://www.collective-evolution.com/2019/05/06/paediatrician-explains-fallacy-of-media-hyped-hysteria-about-the-measles/


IN BRIEF
The Facts:Dr. Bob Sears, a paediatrician, in an interview with Del Bigtree shares some facts about measles as well as the measles vaccine that the mainstream media is completely ignoring.

Reflect On:Why is fear constantly used to push vaccination? Why does the mainstream never address nor counter the points made by vaccine awareness advocates and simply labels them as "anti-vax conspiracy theorists?"
This post is for all you guys who believe in the h... (show quote)


What is this fascination with disinformation? Why are so many so eager to dive headfirst into the latest bit of disinformation, conspiracy theory, pseudo-science, propaganda and lies? Do you think that it makes you intellectual? Do you think it makes you cultured? Do you not realize that it makes you appear to be a moron?

The article that you cite lists This as proof of their claim "Rebecca J. McNall, a co-author of the published report, is a CDC official in the Division of Viral Diseases who had the data proving that the measles outbreak was in part caused by the vaccine. It is evidence of the vaccine’s failure to provide immunity. (source)", even though the "source" makes no such assertions to back her claim.

That website does NOT bother with confirming their facts through reliable sources. Below I will link a couple sources related to the site you cited.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Collective_Evolution

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/collective-evolution/



I believe this article is much more relevant and accurate. They took the pains to research their facts through reliable sources.

https://ballotpedia.org wrote:
February 11, 2016
By Autumn Lewien

Michigan state Representative Thomas Hooker (R) claimed that “some statistics indicated more children had died from immunizations than died from measles,” according to a Gongwer News article published in early December.[1] This statement came after Hooker introduced two bills into the Michigan House Committee on Health Policy.

In January 2015, the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services issued new rules regarding immunization opt-out procedures. The regulation requires parents who request a nonmedical exemption form to first attend a meeting with a local health department official to discuss the potential risks.[2] House Bill 5127, introduced by Rep. Hooker in December 2015, would reverse this policy. A second bill, HB 5126, would prevent local health departments from restricting non-immunized students from attending school as a “disease control measure” except in cases of an epidemic.[1][3]

Do deaths from vaccination outnumber deaths caused by measles? At first glance the numbers seem to support Representative Hooker's conclusion; since 2000, the U.S. has seen 12 recorded measles deaths and 104 deaths reported after the administration of the measles vaccine. However, in our examination of the data we find several confounding variables that suggest that there is more to the story.

Measles as a cause of death
Two weeks prior to publishing this article, we reached out to Representative Hooker’s office for clarification on what statistics he was referring to. We have not yet received a response, but if we hear back, we will update this article accordingly.

We limited the geographical scope of our examination to the United States. Measles, a highly infectious disease, remains one of the leading causes of death among children worldwide. According to the World Health Organization, approximately 114,900 people died of measles in 2014—the majority of which were children under five years old—but none of these deaths were in the United States.[4]

In the National Vital Statistic Reports (NVSR) produced by the U.S. Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) between 2000 and 2013 (the last year with available data), measles is listed as a cause of death 11 times. Two of these cases were children under the age of four.[5] In 2015, the Washington State Department of Health recorded one measles death.[6] The victim was a 22-year-old woman.[7] However, of the 12 deaths reported, only two are considered verified by the CDC. Ian Branam, a spokesman from the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, clarified in an email:

“ Measles deaths are only counted and considered verified when there is evidence that an acute measles infection was responsible for the death. The last verifiable deaths in the United States from acute measles infection occurred in 2003 when there were two reported deaths.[8][9] ”
Immunization and deaths
What about the second part of Rep. Hooker’s claim regarding deaths caused by vaccination?

The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), a national database jointly run by the CDC and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), provides information about possible side effects that occur after vaccination.[10] From January 2000 to December 2015, 104 deaths were reported to VAERS following the administration of one of the four measles vaccines. However, there are several variables that affect the interpretation of this data.

First, VAERS is a self-reporting system. This means that anyone—doctors, patients, family—can file a report, even if the event is not verified. As such, there is a high opportunity for reporting errors and information bias in the data. Second, VAERS does not establish a causal relationship between vaccination and the adverse event. A disclaimer on the VAERS website reads:

“ When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established. Reports of all possible associations between vaccines and adverse events (possible side effects) are filed in VAERS. Therefore, VAERS collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine. The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event.[11][9] ”
In other words, a reported event is not proof that the vaccine was the cause of death. Instead, a report is simply a claim that death occurred sometime after vaccination. Given these constraints on the data, we are unable to meaningfully compare the VAERS reported deaths to the number of deaths caused by measles recorded by the CDC.

Mortality rates pre- and post-immunization
Hooker’s claim does not address the correlation between immunization and the decline in measles cases and deaths.

Measles killed an estimated 2.6 million people worldwide each year before vaccination was widespread, according to the World Health Organization. In 2014, with approximately 85 percent of children worldwide vaccinated with the first dose, an estimated 114,900 people died from measles.[4] The trend is similar for the United States. In the decade prior the measles vaccine becoming available in 1963, the disease caused an estimated 440 deaths annually.[12] In 1965, two years after the introduction of the vaccine, 267 measles deaths were reported. The number dropped to 20 in 1975, and in 1985, with approximately 97 percent of the U.S. population vaccinated, only four measles deaths were reported.[13][14][15]

A decade and a half after the CDC declared the measles virus effectively eliminated in the United States, measles seems to be making a comeback.[16] In 2014, the CDC recorded 667 instances of measles, the highest number since 1994 when 958 cases were reported.[17][18] This resurgence, according to the CDC, is linked to stagnating vaccination rates. Since 2000, annual national childhood immunization rates have remained between 90 and 93 percent; however, these rates vary significantly across states and localities.[19][20] At the center of this matter is the concept of community (or "herd") immunity, a protective effect that interrupts the transmission of the disease to vulnerable people. However, the success of this effect is dependent upon high immunization rates through infection or vaccination.[21] In other words, when vaccination rates drop, the opportunity for outbreak increases.

Conclusion
State Representative Thomas Hooker was cited as saying that “some statistics indicated more children had died from immunizations than died from measles.” Outwardly, the numbers substantiate Hooker's claim. According to the CDC there have been only two verifiable deaths from acute measles infection since 2000. During this same time period, there have been 104 reported cases of death after vaccination for measles. However, the numbers do not tell the whole story. Due to the self-reporting nature of the VAERS reporting system, no cause-and-effect relationship can be established between the measles vaccine and the subsequent reported deaths. Additionally, Hooker's claim does not account for the decline in measles deaths associated with vaccination rates.
February 11, 2016 br By Autumn Lewien br br Michi... (show quote)


https://ballotpedia.org/Fact_check/Do_deaths_from_vaccination_outnumber_deaths_caused_by_measles%3F


Questions:

If vaccines aren't effective, why have overall worldwide deaths from these diseases that we vaccinate against dropped worldwide AFTER we started actively vaccinating against them? (Primarily in the vaccination zones)

Why are the reported cases of these diseases so rare in vaccination zones as compared to in un-vaccinated zones?

Supposing that people HAVE actually died as a result of being vaccinated (deaths have occurred AFTER a vaccination but none have been confirmed to have been a direct result of being vaccinated), which is worse, a greater number of deaths due to a disease that we can vaccinate against or a lesser number of deaths that may or may not be related to the actual vaccine?

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May 7, 2019 18:56:46   #
Rose42
 
ACP45 wrote:
This post is for all you guys who believe in the hype that 1) vaccines are safe, and 2) vaccines such as the MMR vaccine prevent Measles. https://www.collective-evolution.com/2019/05/06/paediatrician-explains-fallacy-of-media-hyped-hysteria-about-the-measles/


IN BRIEF
The Facts:Dr. Bob Sears, a paediatrician, in an interview with Del Bigtree shares some facts about measles as well as the measles vaccine that the mainstream media is completely ignoring.

Reflect On:Why is fear constantly used to push vaccination? Why does the mainstream never address nor counter the points made by vaccine awareness advocates and simply labels them as "anti-vax conspiracy theorists?"
This post is for all you guys who believe in the h... (show quote)


Why? Because they are afraid and they place too much trust in institutions that have failed us time and time again. Not everything is disinformation and propaganda but people don't think. They let google think for them instead. We've had disinformation and propaganda thrown at us from our own government many times but still...people. don't. think.

A lot of us got sick from some of the required vaccines before going overseas. And these weren't shots for serious diseases.

Big pharma is about profits first. That's one reason drug prices are astronomical - the drug lobby pushes to keep them that way. Yet people trust them even though they work against us and so many drugs now have crazy side effects. They will bend over backwards to do defend them.

Look how easily it is to get people scared. Far more die from the flu than measles but people don't get hysterical over the flu.

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May 8, 2019 07:47:13   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
https://ballotpedia.org/Fact_check/Do_deaths_from_vaccination_outnumber_deaths_caused_by_measles%3F


Questions:

If vaccines aren't effective, why have overall worldwide deaths from these diseases that we vaccinate against dropped worldwide AFTER we started actively vaccinating against them? (Primarily in the vaccination zones)

Why are the reported cases of these diseases so rare in vaccination zones as compared to in un-vaccinated zones?

Supposing that people HAVE actually died as a result of being vaccinated (deaths have occurred AFTER a vaccination but none have been confirmed to have been a direct result of being vaccinated), which is worse, a greater number of deaths due to a disease that we can vaccinate against or a lesser number of deaths that may or may not be related to the actual vaccine?
https://ballotpedia.org/Fact_check/Do_deaths_from_... (show quote)

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CSM - Frankly I don't have the time nor do I feel the need to get into a pissing contest with you. If it make you feel better to get your flu, tetanus, hepatitis A & B, shingles, HPV, HIB, RB1 & 5, MMR, etc., be my guest. If you think taking the toxic adjuvants of Mercury (Thimerosal or Thiomersal), Aluminum, Human Diploid Cells (Aborted Fetuses), Animal Cells, MSG (Monosodium Glutamate), Formaldehyde, Squalene, and the large number of other ingredients* contained in vaccines directly into your bloodstream is desirable or necessary for your improved health, be my guest. It's your life.

If you believe that vaccine makers who have been given immunity from lawsuits and deaths caused by their own products leads to a better and safer product, and stringent testing, then continue with your vaccine shots.

If you believe that rationalwiki.org is an unbiased source of facts and information, and wish to rely upon their opinion rather than doing your own independent research, then by all means do so. But according to Quora.com, “…RationalWiki is not an encyclopedia, nor is it a primary source. Rather, it is a group blog… As it is a group blog/wiki, RationalWiki fails Wikipedia’s reliable source policy.”

And “…the articles are written in extremely oversimplified language that is intended to preach to the stupid (this might be beneficial because a lot of people don’t think too hard), which oftentimes leads to the misuse of certain terminology for emotional effects. They also unfortunately have a policy called snarky point of view, in which the articles generally are supposed to be written in the most snarky tone possible. This at times leads to a deterioration of quality.”

Did you even read the the Ballotpedia link you cited? Here is their conclusion section:

"Conclusion
State Representative Thomas Hooker was cited as saying that “some statistics indicated more children had died from immunizations than died from measles.” Outwardly, the numbers substantiate Hooker's claim. According to the CDC there have been only two verifiable deaths from acute measles infection since 2000. During this same time period, there have been 104 reported cases of death after vaccination for measles. However, the numbers do not tell the whole story. Due to the self-reporting nature of the VAERS reporting system, no cause-and-effect relationship can be established between the measles vaccine and the subsequent reported deaths. Additionally, Hooker's claim does not account for the decline in measles deaths associated with vaccination rates." NOTE: Hooker and others have pointed out that the decline in Measles deaths has occurred as a result of improved living and heath standards, and began to decline even before the introduction of the MMR vaccine.

I would like to suggest that the very, VERY, profitable pharmaceutical industry, with it's many lobbyists, and VERY, VERY, generous contributions to politicians, plus paid commercials to the MSM outlets may account for very successful propaganda effort in convincing people that vaccines are safe.

But hey, don't believe me. Do your own research. You may want to start here:

Dissolving Illusions About the Measles Vaccine - https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/03/24/dissolving-illusions-measles-vaccine.aspx

STORY AT-A-GLANCE

-CDC reports that no one in the US has died of measles in the last 12 years. Meanwhile, 98 measles vaccine related deaths were reported to the US government since 2003.

- During that time period, 694 measles vaccine-related disabilities were reported to the Vaccine Adverse Reporting System (VAERS).

-Child mortality due to measles is 200 to 400 times greater in malnourished children in less developed countries than those in developed ones; as nutrition improves, complications and deaths radically diminish.

Individuals with Measles Vaccine Found to Spread Disease
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/03/24/recently-vaccinated-individuals-spread-disease.aspx
US measles "outbreak" has slowed down, but the vaccination debate still continues as parents attack one another about their beliefs.


* Other Toxic Vaccine Adjuvants and Ingredients
In addition the above top 10 toxic vaccine adjuvants and ingredients, it would also be wise to take note of many other possible vaccine fillers, which include:

• acetone (solvent used in fingernail polish remover)
• ammonium sulfate
• amphotericin B
• betapropiolactone
• formalin
• gelatin
• glycerol
• hydrolized gelatin
• phenol red indicator
• phenoxyethanol (antifreeze)
• potassium diphosphate
• potassium monophosphate
• polymyxin B
• polysorbate 20
• polysorbate 80
• residual MRC5 proteins
• sorbitol
• streptomycin (antibiotic)
• tri(n)butylphosphate (neurotoxin)

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May 8, 2019 16:31:57   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
ACP45 wrote:
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CSM - Frankly I don't have the time nor do I feel the need to get into a pissing contest with you. If it make you feel better to get your flu, tetanus, hepatitis A & B, shingles, HPV, HIB, RB1 & 5, MMR, etc., be my guest. If you think taking the toxic adjuvants of Mercury (Thimerosal or Thiomersal), Aluminum, Human Diploid Cells (Aborted Fetuses), Animal Cells, MSG (Monosodium Glutamate), Formaldehyde, Squalene, and the large number of other ingredients* contained in vaccines directly into your bloodstream is desirable or necessary for your improved health, be my guest. It's your life.

If you believe that vaccine makers who have been given immunity from lawsuits and deaths caused by their own products leads to a better and safer product, and stringent testing, then continue with your vaccine shots.

If you believe that rationalwiki.org is an unbiased source of facts and information, and wish to rely upon their opinion rather than doing your own independent research, then by all means do so. But according to Quora.com, “…RationalWiki is not an encyclopedia, nor is it a primary source. Rather, it is a group blog… As it is a group blog/wiki, RationalWiki fails Wikipedia’s reliable source policy.”

And “…the articles are written in extremely oversimplified language that is intended to preach to the stupid (this might be beneficial because a lot of people don’t think too hard), which oftentimes leads to the misuse of certain terminology for emotional effects. They also unfortunately have a policy called snarky point of view, in which the articles generally are supposed to be written in the most snarky tone possible. This at times leads to a deterioration of quality.”

Did you even read the the Ballotpedia link you cited? Here is their conclusion section:

"Conclusion
State Representative Thomas Hooker was cited as saying that “some statistics indicated more children had died from immunizations than died from measles.” Outwardly, the numbers substantiate Hooker's claim. According to the CDC there have been only two verifiable deaths from acute measles infection since 2000. During this same time period, there have been 104 reported cases of death after vaccination for measles. However, the numbers do not tell the whole story. Due to the self-reporting nature of the VAERS reporting system, no cause-and-effect relationship can be established between the measles vaccine and the subsequent reported deaths. Additionally, Hooker's claim does not account for the decline in measles deaths associated with vaccination rates." NOTE: Hooker and others have pointed out that the decline in Measles deaths has occurred as a result of improved living and heath standards, and began to decline even before the introduction of the MMR vaccine.

I would like to suggest that the very, VERY, profitable pharmaceutical industry, with it's many lobbyists, and VERY, VERY, generous contributions to politicians, plus paid commercials to the MSM outlets may account for very successful propaganda effort in convincing people that vaccines are safe.

But hey, don't believe me. Do your own research. You may want to start here:

Dissolving Illusions About the Measles Vaccine - https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/03/24/dissolving-illusions-measles-vaccine.aspx

STORY AT-A-GLANCE

-CDC reports that no one in the US has died of measles in the last 12 years. Meanwhile, 98 measles vaccine related deaths were reported to the US government since 2003.

- During that time period, 694 measles vaccine-related disabilities were reported to the Vaccine Adverse Reporting System (VAERS).

-Child mortality due to measles is 200 to 400 times greater in malnourished children in less developed countries than those in developed ones; as nutrition improves, complications and deaths radically diminish.

Individuals with Measles Vaccine Found to Spread Disease
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/03/24/recently-vaccinated-individuals-spread-disease.aspx
US measles "outbreak" has slowed down, but the vaccination debate still continues as parents attack one another about their beliefs.


* Other Toxic Vaccine Adjuvants and Ingredients
In addition the above top 10 toxic vaccine adjuvants and ingredients, it would also be wise to take note of many other possible vaccine fillers, which include:

• acetone (solvent used in fingernail polish remover)
• ammonium sulfate
• amphotericin B
• betapropiolactone
• formalin
• gelatin
• glycerol
• hydrolized gelatin
• phenol red indicator
• phenoxyethanol (antifreeze)
• potassium diphosphate
• potassium monophosphate
• polymyxin B
• polysorbate 20
• polysorbate 80
• residual MRC5 proteins
• sorbitol
• streptomycin (antibiotic)
• tri(n)butylphosphate (neurotoxin)
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Great source you have there, a snake oil salesman creates a site that promotes quackery and you believe in it.



Edit: Yes, less people are now dying from Measles here in the U.S. BECAUSE we are vaccinating against Measles, look at the deaths from Measles in areas where they DON'T vaccinate.

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May 8, 2019 16:58:55   #
Rose42
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Great source you have there, a snake oil salesman creates a site that promotes quackery and you believe in it.



Edit: Yes, less people are now dying from Measles here in the U.S. BECAUSE we are vaccinating against Measles, look at the deaths from Measles in areas where they DON'T vaccinate.


There's more to it than simply vaccinating. Malnutrition has a lot to do with it. There are numerous articles about it.

"In the developing world, epidemiologic factors associated with severe measles include younger age, overcrowding, poor access to care, pre-existing medical conditions, and malnutrition. Because these factors frequently coexist in the developing world, the relative contribution of each to measles morbidity is unclear. However, malnutrition has been implicated most markedly and repeatedly."

https://pedsinreview.aappublications.org/content/19/2/70?sso=1&sso_redirect_count=1&nfstatus=401&nftoken=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000&nfstatusdescription=ERROR%3a+No+local+token

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May 8, 2019 18:07:26   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
Rose42 wrote:
There's more to it than simply vaccinating. Malnutrition has a lot to do with it. There are numerous articles about it.

"In the developing world, epidemiologic factors associated with severe measles include younger age, overcrowding, poor access to care, pre-existing medical conditions, and malnutrition. Because these factors frequently coexist in the developing world, the relative contribution of each to measles morbidity is unclear. However, malnutrition has been implicated most markedly and repeatedly."

https://pedsinreview.aappublications.org/content/19/2/70?sso=1&sso_redirect_count=1&nfstatus=401&nftoken=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000&nfstatusdescription=ERROR%3a+No+local+token
There's more to it than simply vaccinating. Malnu... (show quote)


And that explains the severe drop in Measles death even here in the U.S. AFTER we started vaccinating?

https://www.nvic.org/vaccines-and-diseases/Measles/measles-history-in-america.aspx

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May 8, 2019 19:10:54   #
Rose42
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
And that explains the severe drop in Measles death even here in the U.S. AFTER we started vaccinating?

https://www.nvic.org/vaccines-and-diseases/Measles/measles-history-in-america.aspx


NO I was addressing the REST of the WORLD, NOT the US where they DON'T vaccinate. A major CAUSE for those DEATHS.

Using all caps is a touch dramatic.

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May 8, 2019 20:38:08   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
Rose42 wrote:
NO I was addressing the REST of the WORLD, NOT the US where they DON'T vaccinate. A major CAUSE for those DEATHS.

Using all caps is a touch dramatic.


Which just shows the NECESSITY of vaccinations. If everyone everywhere vaccinated against Measles, it WOULD be eliminated completely. Of course third world countries don't tend to have the resources to do it without help.

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May 8, 2019 21:08:52   #
Rose42
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Which just shows the NECESSITY of vaccinations. If everyone everywhere vaccinated against Measles, it WOULD be eliminated completely. Of course third world countries don't tend to have the resources to do it without help.


It might be. Nothing is 100% but it would be close. I read somewhere that it also helps with other diseases which was unexpected.

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May 9, 2019 02:52:42   #
grace scott
 
Rose42 wrote:
Why? Because they are afraid and they place too much trust in institutions that have failed us time and time again. Not everything is disinformation and propaganda but people don't think. They let google think for them instead. We've had disinformation and propaganda thrown at us from our own government many times but still...people. don't. think.

A lot of us got sick from some of the required vaccines before going overseas. And these weren't shots for serious diseases.

Big pharma is about profits first. That's one reason drug prices are astronomical - the drug lobby pushes to keep them that way. Yet people trust them even though they work against us and so many drugs now have crazy side effects. They will bend over backwards to do defend them.

Look how easily it is to get people scared. Far more die from the flu than measles but people don't get hysterical over the flu.
Why? Because they are afraid and they place too m... (show quote)



I had the measles as a child. I was about 8 years old so I do not remember much about it. I was kept in a dark room. The doctor used a flash light when he examined me. The measles had affected my eyes and my heart. The doctor said to keep me quiet, and not to allow me to do much; and my heart would heal. It did, but my eyes did not.

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May 9, 2019 06:49:57   #
Rose42
 
grace scott wrote:
I had the measles as a child. I was about 8 years old so I do not remember much about it. I was kept in a dark room. The doctor used a flash light when he examined me. The measles had affected my eyes and my heart. The doctor said to keep me quiet, and not to allow me to do much; and my heart would heal. It did, but my eyes did not.


Wow. I’m sorry that happened to you.

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May 9, 2019 08:13:58   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Great source you have there, a snake oil salesman creates a site that promotes quackery and you believe in it.



Edit: Yes, less people are now dying from Measles here in the U.S. BECAUSE we are vaccinating against Measles, look at the deaths from Measles in areas where they DON'T vaccinate.


You can lead people to water, but you can't make them drink.

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May 9, 2019 09:07:08   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
And that explains the severe drop in Measles death even here in the U.S. AFTER we started vaccinating?

https://www.nvic.org/vaccines-and-diseases/Measles/measles-history-in-america.aspx



Just came across another article. Probably just another snake oil site:
A DOZEN FACTS ABOUT MEASLES that you won’t learn from MSPharmedia: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/a-dozen-facts-about-measles-that-you-wont-learn-from-mspharmedia/
1) Measles is usually a mild, self-limiting childhood illness.

2) Since 2000, there have been nine reported measles deaths in the U.S. Since 1986, there have been 415 deaths associated with the MMR vaccine according to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System.

3) In 1962, the CDC attributed 408 deaths to measles out of a population of 186 million (risk=2/1,000,000—about double the risk of dying from lightning).

4) The risk of measles mortality is much higher among malnourished children; contemporary science suggests that vitamin A can reduce this risk by over 80%.

5) “Natural” vitamin A cannot be patented so Pharma has no interest in promoting it.

6) Unlike Merck’s MMR vaccine, wild measles infection confers lifetime immunity from measles. Having measles in childhood may also reduce the risk of atopic disease, heart disease, Hodgkin’s and non-Hodgkin’s lymphomas and some other cancers.

7) Meanwhile, the MMR is associated with seizure rates five times greater than associated with wild measles, as well as brain damage, encephalitis, Crohn’s disease, ulcerative colitis and dozens of other serious adverse events.

8) Half the kids in Merck’s clinical studies suffered serious gastrointestinal problems within 42 days of the jab.

9) Merck’s MMR vaccine provides meager maternal antibodies to protect infants in their first year when they are too young for the vaccine, putting babies at risk for brain damage and death.

10) Contrary to Merck’s promise, the MMR rarely provides lifetime immunity, putting postpubescent adults at heightened risk for serious injury or death.

11) According to Lancet Infectious Diseases, measles has become more severe in infant and adult cohorts as vaccine-based immunity wanes leaving adults unprotected and infants vulnerable due to loss of passive immunity from mothers.

12) Similarly, instead of providing the promised lifetime immunity, the mumps component of the MMR, simply delays mumps infections until after puberty when it can cause sterility in men and women.

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May 9, 2019 18:15:36   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
ACP45 wrote:
Just came across another article. Probably just another snake oil site:
A DOZEN FACTS ABOUT MEASLES that you won’t learn from MSPharmedia: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/a-dozen-facts-about-measles-that-you-wont-learn-from-mspharmedia/


And again with the anti-vax websites. Let us look at that URL, https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/a-dozen-facts-about-measles-that-you-wont-learn-from-mspharmedia/. Sensationalism, a key warning sign that the "facts" presented will likely be biased.


ACP45 wrote:
1) Measles is usually a mild, self-limiting childhood illness.


Accurate statement.

ACP45 wrote:
2) Since 2000, there have been nine reported measles deaths in the U.S. Since 1986, there have been 415 deaths associated with the MMR vaccine according to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System.


First off, the VAERS system is a self reporting system, ANYONE can post an "event" to it and the "events" DO NOT get thoroughly investigated, they get reported and they show up, PERIOD. One can SPECULATE a connection, that doesn't mean a connection exists. I can speculate that if I play a certain set of "lucky numbers" that I WILL win the lottery, that doesn't mean I will.

Additionally, this article states that there have been 415 deaths ASSUMED to be linked to the vaccine by those that reported the deaths as being associated to the vaccine. That doesn't mean those deaths had anything at all to do with the vaccine. Also to note, 415 deaths between 1986 and 2019, that is FAR less deaths than we would have seen had we NOT promoted the vaccine. 415+ deaths from Measles PER YEAR is not unheard of prior to vaccination, and that is in the U.S. ALONE.

ACP45 wrote:
3) In 1962, the CDC attributed 408 deaths to measles out of a population of 186 million (risk=2/1,000,000—about double the risk of dying from lightning).


Roughly correct, but then we must look at how few deaths from Measles we have WITH vaccination. That number is GREATLY reduced WITH the vaccine.

ACP45 wrote:
4) The risk of measles mortality is much higher among malnourished children; contemporary science suggests that vitamin A can reduce this risk by over 80%.


This portion is also true.

ACP45 wrote:
5) “Natural” vitamin A cannot be patented so Pharma has no interest in promoting it.


And here we see this bias that we can expect based on the sensationalism in the headline.

ACP45 wrote:
6) Unlike Merck’s MMR vaccine, wild measles infection confers lifetime immunity from measles. Having measles in childhood may also reduce the risk of atopic disease, heart disease, Hodgkin’s and non-Hodgkin’s lymphomas and some other cancers.


Yes, it is recommended that people receive the Measles vaccine at least twice as compared to actually contracting Measles can typically only happen once per lifetime.

As for the claim related to atopic disease in this section, I looked at the research they based this claim on and it stated:

study cited wrote:
inverse associations were observed between measles infection and "any allergic symptom" and "any diagnosis of allergy by a physician." However, no associations were found between measles vaccination and allergic disease.


So, the study finds that those that contract Measles don't present with allergies, however "no associations were found between measles vaccination and allergic disease.". This suggests to me that they too did not present with allergies either. If they had presented with allergies, the study would not have stated "no associations were found between measles vaccination and allergic disease.". So that claim is a wash.

As for the heart disease claim, the study they cite does appear to support what they claim.

As for the Hodgkin’s and non-Hodgkin’s lymphomas, the study they cited is not very informative, it leaves off their methodology and does not indicate precisely what criteria they went by.

As for the claim concerning some other cancers, it appears to only associate ACUTE cases of Measles with any beneficial impact.

Merriam Webster wrote:
Definition of acute
1a(1) : characterized by sharpness or severity of sudden onset
acute pain
(2) : having a sudden onset, sharp rise, and short course
acute illness
(3) : being, providing, or requiring short-term medical care (as for serious illness or traumatic injury)
acute hospitals
an acute patient
b : lasting a short time
acute experiments


Severe or acute cases of Measles can end in death which would negate the beneficial impact I would think.

ACP45 wrote:
7) Meanwhile, the MMR is associated with seizure rates five times greater than associated with wild measles, as well as brain damage, encephalitis, Crohn’s disease, ulcerative colitis and dozens of other serious adverse events.


The first part of this claim is reliant on on VAERS. the site they cite to support the first claim in this section contains this statement about VAERS.

Quote:
3. How accurate is surveillance of adverse events from the MMR vaccine?
The government tracks reported cases of vaccine side effects through the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). Approximately 40 cases of death and permanent injury from the MMR vaccine are reported to VAERS annually.5 However, VAERS is a passive reporting system—authorities do not actively search for cases and do not actively remind doctors and the public to report cases. These limitations can lead to significant underreporting.6 The CDC states, “VAERS receives reports for only a small fraction of actual adverse events.”7 Indeed, as few as 1% of serious side effects from medical products are reported to passive surveillance systems,8 and as few as 1.6% of MMR-related seizures are reported to VAERS.9 In addition, VAERS reports are not proof that a side effect occurred, as the system is not designed to thoroughly investigate all cases.10 As a result, VAERS does not provide an accurate count of MMR vaccine side effects.
3. How accurate is surveillance of adverse events ... (show quote)


ACP45 wrote:
8) Half the kids in Merck’s clinical studies suffered serious gastrointestinal problems within 42 days of the jab.


Article does not articulate any information backing it's claim here and only points to a 215 page PDF which I have chosen to skip at this time as I have other things that need doing besides informing the ignorant of their ignorance and the benefits of the vaccines far outweigh any perceived harm they may cause.

ACP45 wrote:
9) Merck’s MMR vaccine provides meager maternal antibodies to protect infants in their first year when they are too young for the vaccine, putting babies at risk for brain damage and death.


Even mothers who HAVE had the Measles do not pass on sufficient immunity to their children to prevent measles so this is a moot point.

ACP45 wrote:
10) Contrary to Merck’s promise, the MMR rarely provides lifetime immunity, putting postpubescent adults at heightened risk for serious injury or death.


There is no increased risk of contracting Measles due to having been vaccinated and it is well known that you need a booster shot and if you choose not to get it, the fault is your own.

ACP45 wrote:
11) According to Lancet Infectious Diseases, measles has become more severe in infant and adult cohorts as vaccine-based immunity wanes leaving adults unprotected and infants vulnerable due to loss of passive immunity from mothers.


Keeping up with your vaccinations is your responsibility. It appears to be recommended that 2 childhood vaccinations and 1 adulthood vaccination is the current recommendation.

ACP45 wrote:
12) Similarly, instead of providing the promised lifetime immunity, the mumps component of the MMR, simply delays mumps infections until after puberty when it can cause sterility in men and women.


Nowhere is it stated that one shot covers you for life.



Conclusion: Vaccination benefits far outweigh any potential risk from vaccination.

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