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Apr 11, 2019 17:30:12   #
Reality
 
permafrost wrote:
Everyone who has paid into SS need to PO about this dumb renaming idea..
No good can come of it..

A woman dies at age 65 before collecting one benefit check. She and her employer paid into the system for almost 50 years and she collected NOTHING. Keep in mind all the working people that die every year who were paying into the system and got nothing.

And these governmental morons mismanaged the money and stole from the system, so that it's now going broke.
BEAUTIFUL! And they have the audacity to call today's seniors "vultures" in an attempt to cover their ineptitude. DISGRACEFUL!

The real reason for renaming our Social Security payments is so the government can claim that all those social security recipients are receiving entitlements thus putting them in the same category as welfare, and food stamp recipients.
THIS IS WORTH THE FEW MINUTES IT TAKES TO READ AND DIGEST!
F.Y.I. By changing the name of SS contributions, it gives them a means to refute this program in the future. It's free money for the government to spend under this guise.
The Social Security check is now (or soon will be) referred to as a *Federal Benefit Payment* ?
I'll be part of the one percent to forward this. I am forwarding it because it touches a nerve in me, and I hope it will in you.

Please keep passing it on until everyone in our country has read it.
The government is now referring to our Social Security checks as a "Federal Benefit Payment."
This is NOT a benefit. It is OUR money , paid out of our earned income! Not only did we all contribute to Social Security but our employers did too ! It totaled 15% of our income before taxes.(This should be enough for you to forward this message, If not read on.)

If you averaged $30K per year over your working life, that's close to $180,000 invested in Social Security.
If you calculate the future value of your monthly investment in social security ($375/month, including both you and your employers contributions) at a meager 1% interest rate compounded monthly, after 40 years of working you'd have more than $1.3+ million dollars saved.

This is your personal investment. Upon retirement, if you took out only 3% per year, you'd receive $39,318 per year, or $3,277 per month.

That's almost three times more than today's average Social Security benefit of $1,230 per month, according to the Social Security Administration. (Google it – it's a fact). And your retirement fund would last more than 33 years (until you're 98 if you retire at age 65)! I can only imagine how much better most average-income people could live in retirement if our government had just invested our money in low-risk interest-earning accounts.
Instead, the folks in Washington pulled off a bigger *Ponzi scheme* than Bernie Madoff ever did (or Lyndon Johnson).
They took our money and used it elsewhere. They "forgot"(oh yes, they knew) that it was OUR money they were taking. They didn't have a referendum to ask us if we wanted to lend the money to them ... and they didn't pay interest on the debt they assumed. And recently they've told us that the money won't support us for very much longer. (Isn't it funny that they NEVER say this about welfare payments?)
But is it our fault they misused our investments? And now, to add insult to injury, they're calling it a *benefit*, as if we never worked to earn every penny of it. This is stealing!
Just because they borrowed the money, doesn't mean that our investments were for charity!
Let's take a stand. We have earned our right to Social Security and Medicare. Demand that our legislators bring some sense into our government.
Find a way to keep Social Security and Medicare going for the sake of the 92% of our population who need it.

Then call it what it is:
Our Earned Retirement Income .
90% of people won't forward this.
PLEASE! Will you?
Everyone who has paid into SS need to PO about thi... (show quote)


All true but what are we gonna do about it?

Everyone that works for government in any capacity cares only about their paycheck and they control the strings. This will not get changed until there is not enough money to pay it back. So this is what was called “The New Deal”. More like the new scam and that’s what happened to the country. The government created an illegal scheme to get more money from the people. Social Security is a Scam!!!! Don’t believe it? When SS was created, the average age was only 61.7 years. You couldn’t collect until 65 so clearly they set it up so the average person would never collect a dime! Let that sink in! Social anything is a Scam to steal your money.

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Apr 11, 2019 19:10:34   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Reality wrote:
All true but what are we gonna do about it?

Everyone that works for government in any capacity cares only about their paycheck and they control the strings. This will not get changed until there is not enough money to pay it back. So this is what was called “The New Deal”. More like the new scam and that’s what happened to the country. The government created an illegal scheme to get more money from the people. Social Security is a Scam!!!! Don’t believe it? When SS was created, the average age was only 61.7 years. You couldn’t collect until 65 so clearly they set it up so the average person would never collect a dime! Let that sink in! Social anything is a Scam to steal your money.
All true but what are we gonna do about it? br br... (show quote)



Well the "how" is always the hardest part..

No, I do not agree about SS being a scam.. could be improved,,, yes..

Look back to the time before SS, the elders had nothing.. kids expected to care for mom and pop for years.
converted chicken houses to dump them in for the final years..

New deal is among the best things to ever be legislated in our country..



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Apr 11, 2019 20:41:58   #
teabag09
 
dtucker300 wrote:
How did I forget that?


Don't forget brass and lead. May be worth more than silver and gold. Mike

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Apr 11, 2019 20:46:03   #
teabag09
 
permafrost wrote:
School boards certainly do set the curriculum.. If you have a bitch go to a school board meeting and let them know..

I have personally done so, and with a lot of others gotten the changes we wanted at the local school while my boys were attending..

Minnesota did not accept all of common core.. Having looked at a number of postings about the "foolish" methods, I found that the example was not what the poster maintained it was about..

IE, an example posted as a math lesson was actually about introduction to higher math, not simple math as was posited..

So I will extend a question to you..

Do you want schools to teach math, science , reading and writing... Or an ideology??

Your other question about test scores is a good one and I do not have an answer for it..

Could it be the rest of the world rising in accomplishment while we remain at mostly the same level for years??? I truly do no know..
School boards certainly do set the curriculum.. If... (show quote)


You left out REAL History and Civics. Mike

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Apr 12, 2019 00:24:21   #
Reality
 
permafrost wrote:
Well the "how" is always the hardest part..

No, I do not agree about SS being a scam.. could be improved,,, yes..

Look back to the time before SS, the elders had nothing.. kids expected to care for mom and pop for years.
converted chicken houses to dump them in for the final years..

New deal is among the best things to ever be legislated in our country..


I guess you didn’t read the part about the numbers and how when you die it’s gone. It is a scam plain and simple. They raided the fund as well.

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Apr 12, 2019 08:33:46   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
teabag09 wrote:
You left out REAL History and Civics. Mike


I have heard that before, but have never been shown an example>..

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Apr 12, 2019 15:33:32   #
Nickolai
 
cSc61 wrote:
That's the point he's making. Individual responsibility versus dependency on the state.

Had employers given their employees the 7.65% instead of being forced to give it to Uncle Mismanagement, and had that employee had the self discipline then to invest the 15.3% of his income squandered by the Federal Government into a modest investment plan, that employee would have millions to retire on today after 45 years of labor instead of the bread crumbs Uncle Sugar is dishing out and calling a benefit.
That's the point he's making. Individual responsi... (show quote)







Social Security was created in 1935 The stock market was not a considered because it had collapsed in 1929 triggering the Great Depression and If the 15.3 % given to the employee it would have been spent for food and shelter and not saved and if it had been given to the Employee then who would have paid for the disabled. or the underage children who have lost the head of the household ? Social Security was never supposed to be a retirement plan but a social safety net and to keep old people from falling through the net into abject poverty and the gyrations of markets does not provide the stability needed for suc ha program Social Security is the most successful social program in the nations history

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Apr 12, 2019 20:26:33   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Nickolai wrote:
Social Security was created in 1935 The stock market was not a considered because it had collapsed in 1929 triggering the Great Depression and If the 15.3 % given to the employee it would have been spent for food and shelter and not saved and if it had been given to the Employee then who would have paid for the disabled. or the underage children who have lost the head of the household ? Social Security was never supposed to be a retirement plan but a social safety net and to keep old people from falling through the net into abject poverty and the gyrations of markets does not provide the stability needed for suc ha program Social Security is the most successful social program in the nations history
Social Security was created in 1935 The stock mark... (show quote)


The Stock Market crash was as engineered as the Social Security program...

Did the outcomes of both events make people more or less dependent?

Ooooh Now I have opened an hornet's nest of Politispeak !

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Apr 12, 2019 23:55:30   #
Reality
 
Nickolai wrote:
Social Security was created in 1935 The stock market was not a considered because it had collapsed in 1929 triggering the Great Depression and If the 15.3 % given to the employee it would have been spent for food and shelter and not saved and if it had been given to the Employee then who would have paid for the disabled. or the underage children who have lost the head of the household ? Social Security was never supposed to be a retirement plan but a social safety net and to keep old people from falling through the net into abject poverty and the gyrations of markets does not provide the stability needed for suc ha program Social Security is the most successful social program in the nations history
Social Security was created in 1935 The stock mark... (show quote)


Fools gold! It was for the weak who aren’t smart Enough to prepare for the long winter. It keeps them in poverty. So it’s communism right in our faces! That’s why it’s called “The New Deal” constitution was destroyed right then and there. People are arrested on victimless crimes all because of the commerce clause as well. Constitution can only be restored one way.

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Apr 13, 2019 15:50:53   #
Betta
 
cSc61 wrote:
The Ponsi Scheme is nearing its end:

According to the 2017 intermediate projections, assuming no changes are made in law:

In 2022, just 3 short years, spending for benefits will exceed revenues plus interest on the securities. That means right now, the money the government takes in from payroll taxes is just enough to pay the benefits it owes. NO MONEY IS BEING SET ASIDE FOR FUTURE RECIPIENTS. In 3 years, the fund will have to begin redeeming the Treasury securities. The cash to redeem the securities will come from one or more sources: increased taxes, reductions in other federal government spending, or borrowing through the public sale of Treasury securities. If the money is borrowed, it will increase the federal budget deficit.

In 2034, the trust fund assets would be thoroughly depleted; all Treasury securities would be redeemed. The taxes being collected from workers and employers each year will only be sufficient to pay 77 percent of the benefits promised. To cover the shortfalls, the government will be forced to raise the payroll tax considerably or default on the program (or just borrow another Trillion a year to cover it).
The Ponsi Scheme is nearing its end: br br Accord... (show quote)


All the more reason why everyone should have a side hustle whether working or retired. Been saying this for years. Everyone should have another income stream beside the one they've got. I call that a safety net.

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Apr 13, 2019 15:56:39   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
BigMike wrote:
The Stock Market crash was as engineered as the Social Security program...

Did the outcomes of both events make people more or less dependent?

Ooooh Now I have opened an hornet's nest of Politispeak !


More or less, Nikki?

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Apr 13, 2019 15:57:30   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Betta wrote:
All the more reason why everyone should have a side hustle whether working or retired. Been saying this for years. Everyone should have another income stream beside the one they've got. I call that a safety net.


And the less the pencil-necks know, the better.

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Apr 13, 2019 16:06:16   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Reality wrote:
Fools gold! It was for the weak who aren’t smart Enough to prepare for the long winter. It keeps them in poverty. So it’s communism right in our faces! That’s why it’s called “The New Deal” constitution was destroyed right then and there. People are arrested on victimless crimes all because of the commerce clause as well. Constitution can only be restored one way.


WWII left everyone jaded and malleable...wanting to leave the uglieness behind them, just hear what the popular music doesn't talk much about. Middle class folks were lolling in postwar dough and they were easy to lie to. The Cabal was happy for the investment opportunity and now they're using healthcare, pharma, the media and legal system to get that dough back; and now the middle class is losing power back to the Cabal...who think generationally. They have that much in common with the Muslims.

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