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Apr 10, 2019 19:57:30   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
slatten49 wrote:
All that most likely being true...as written, the 1924 law does allow upon demand the House of Representatives to review ones personal and business tax returns. That particular law was used against Nixon during the Watergate era, and most recently in 2014 with regard to the U.S. House's GOP majority investigation of the IRS handling of individual's returns. The law was written in response to the Harding Administration's Teapot Dome Scandal from 1921-23.
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More specifically, certain House Committees. Here's the actual language, taken directly from the Act in question:

SIXTY-EIGHTH CONGRESS. SESS. I. CH. 234. 1924.

RETURNS TO BE PUBLIC RECORDS. SEC. 257. (a)

"That the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the Committee on Finance of the Sen- ate [sic], or a special committee of the Senate or House, shall have the right to call on the Secretary of the Treasury for, and it shall be his duty to furnish any data of any character contained in or shown by the returns or any of them, that may be required by the committee;and any such committee shall have the right, acting directly as a committee, or by and through such examiners or agents as it may designate or appoint, to inspect all or any of the returns at such times and in such manner as it may determine; and any relevant or useful information thus obtained may be submitted by the commit- tee[sic] obtaining it to the Senate or the House, or to both the Senate and House, as the case may be:"

Here's the link:

https://www.givemeliberty.org/docs/TaxResearchCD/TaxActs/IncomeTax1924.pdf

Scroll to page 42.

Yep, they have a legal right to demand the returns of anyone, at any time and for any reason, or no reason at all. Apparently. But, of course, I'm no lawyer...

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Apr 10, 2019 20:14:12   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
More specifically, certain House Committees. Here's the actual language, taken directly from the Act in question:

SIXTY-EIGHTH CONGRESS. SESS. I. CH. 234. 1924.

RETURNS TO BE PUBLIC RECORDS. SEC. 257. (a)

"That the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the Committee on Finance of the Sen- ate [sic], or a special committee of the Senate or House, shall have the right to call on the Secretary of the Treasury for, and it shall be his duty to furnish any data of any character contained in or shown by the returns or any of them, that may be required by the committee;and any such committee shall have the right, acting directly as a committee, or by and through such examiners or agents as it may designate or appoint, to inspect all or any of the returns at such times and in such manner as it may determine; and any relevant or useful information thus obtained may be submitted by the commit- tee[sic] obtaining it to the Senate or the House, or to both the Senate and House, as the case may be:"

Here's the link:

https://www.givemeliberty.org/docs/TaxResearchCD/TaxActs/IncomeTax1924.pdf

Scroll to page 42.

Yep, they have a legal right to demand the returns of anyone, at any time and for any reason, or no reason at all. Apparently. But, of course, I'm no lawyer...
More specifically, certain House Committees. Here... (show quote)

Well, Larry, I see that as more of a summary of major legislation during that period, with lots to cover. I have posted excerpts from the actual law several times on this thread, only to have them overlooked, ignored or discounted. I can't really blame detractors of the legislation. Legalese can be a bitch. I know well enough, as my Dad was an attorney.

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Apr 10, 2019 20:14:34   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
slatten49 wrote:
All that most likely being true...as written, the 1924 law does allow upon demand the House of Representatives to review ones personal and business tax returns. That particular law was used against Nixon during the Watergate era, and most recently in 2014 with regard to the U.S. House's GOP majority investigation of the IRS handling of individual's returns. The law was written in response to the Harding Administration's Teapot Dome Scandal from 1921-23.
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Well, chalk another one up for the Supreme Court, because that's where this is headed:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/10/trump-tax-returns-congress-1342027

“The legal implications of this request could affect protections of all Americans against politically-motivated disclosures of personal tax information, regardless of which party is in power,” Mnuchin said. He is consulting with the Justice Department “to ensure that our response is fully consistent with the law and the Constitution.”

Maybe they can time it so it gets full exposure right before the next election.

Mmm-hmm.

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Apr 10, 2019 20:16:26   #
Strycker Loc: The middle of somewhere else.
 
slatten49 wrote:
As per excerpt from above article:

"In the matter of tax returns, the law could not be more clear (see Code sec. 6103(f)): Upon written request by either the Chairman of either the House Ways and Means Committee or the Senate Finance Committee, the Treasury Secretary 'shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request.' "

Reading the full article not only clarifies, but justifies congressional action with existing precedent.
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The law may be clear but the constitutionality of that law is not so clear and has never been challenged. It seems to be a violation of the IV and V amendments. It should be challenged.

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Apr 10, 2019 20:22:18   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Strycker wrote:
The law may be clear but the constitutionality of that law is not so clear and has never been challenged. It seems to be a violation of the IV and V amendments. It should be challenged.

I somewhat concur, and it would seem that President Trump intends to challenge it. That would be nothing new for him, as he has been involved in close to 4,000 litigations in his life/career. It could/should get interesting.

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Apr 10, 2019 20:29:46   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
useful idiot 45 wrote:
Dear goober

Your defense of a narcissist makes everyone with a brain wonder. ..Sorry yours isn't in gear. I'm guessing you have relatives that feel the same way


Dear Useful Idiot,

More than 50% of everyone who has a brain also defend Trump.

And we all know where 'your' brain is.



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Apr 10, 2019 20:53:41   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
As for the taxes, if they have some type of evidence of something which can give their "request" substance or just cause then fine. I havn't seen that yet.

And you won't. Mueller's report shot so many holes in their narrative that they have no idea what to do now and this whole 'tax' thing is just their way of diverting attention away from their abject failure to usurp our duly elected President. They remind me of a dog chasing after a car. What would he do if he actually caught it?

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Apr 11, 2019 07:29:26   #
Morgan
 
proud republican wrote:
With all due respect,President does NOT have to release his Tax Returns..It does NOT requiered by law..


When a president Hides his tax returns you should want to see them.

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Apr 11, 2019 07:30:31   #
Morgan
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
Dear Useful Idiot,

More than 50% of everyone who has a brain also defend Trump.

And we all know where 'your' brain is.


That is completely untrue.

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Apr 11, 2019 07:45:13   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
Morgan wrote:
When a president Hides his tax returns you should want to see them.

Why?

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Apr 11, 2019 07:46:16   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
Morgan wrote:
That is completely untrue.

You're right, that is untrue, it's more like 70%.

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Apr 11, 2019 08:22:25   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Morgan wrote:
When a president Hides his tax returns you should want to see them.


What else have you concluded a President has no rights to privacy?

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Apr 11, 2019 09:25:15   #
Breaker 19
 
Trump's tax return is probably 500 pages long or longer. He has 500 businesses around the world. The Democrats would have a field day hunting for something to scream about for the next 6 years, and would not have any idea what they were reading.

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Apr 11, 2019 09:28:43   #
Breaker 19
 
I have always heard, the people who never have problems are the people who never do anything. How true.

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Apr 11, 2019 10:21:53   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Breaker 19 wrote:
Trump's tax return is probably 500 pages long or longer. He has 500 businesses around the world. The Democrats would have a field day hunting for something to scream about for the next 6 years, and would not have any idea what they were reading.


Personally, I would be surprised if Trump's taxes weren't perused with a magnifying glass about the size of the Mt. Palomar Observatory while the Obama Administration still maintained control over the weaponized IRS. But that's just my "umble" opinion.

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