The stranded fish syndrome: Here on OPP. we got to watch the Republicans outrage when Obama was elected President in 2008. There were those who insisted that he was not their...

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

Here on OPP. we got to watch the Republicans outrage when Obama was elected President in 2008. There were those who insisted that he was not their President, that massive voter fraud was to blame, etc. The attacks on Obama seen here ran the gambit from- he's really a citizen of Kenya, he's a Muslim, to - he's trying to destroy America as we knew it. Many prominent people outside of OPP either started these attacks, or participated in them, including the current President. Everyone who participated in this endeavor insisted that they were Patriots and were merely trying to defend America, and accused their opponents of being un-Patriotic and worse. There was 8 years of this........then comes 2016.

Here on OPP we got to watch Democrats outrage when Trump was elected President, many insisting that he was not their President, that massive voter fraud or Russian interference was to blame. The attacks on Trump ran the gambit from - he's a Russian plant, he's an Israeli operative to - he's completely unqualified and self absorbed. Many prominent people outside of OPP either started these attacks or participated in them. Everyone who participated in this endeavor insisted that they were Patriots and were merely trying to defend America and accused their opponents of being un-Patriotic or worse.

How many Americans are truly trying to ruin their own country? None, but there are those here who insist on believing this fallacy. Those who castigated Obama for 8 years, insisted that they were justified in those attacks, who now attack those who are doing the exact same thing to Trump for exactly the same reason. Why is it that YOU can do such things, but others may not?

Going back decades, we watched the "losing" side flop like stranded fish, until they were rescued by the cycle switching back in their favor..............and watched the "other" side begin their death throe stranded flopping. To be perfectly clear, the ONLY loser in this cycle..................is America. We now sanction filling our courts with activist partisans, abandoning the Constitutional traditions of law, order and impartiality................all in an attempt to avoid experiencing the stranded fish syndrome. The truth is; there is no way to prevent the cyclic switching of the party in ascendance, so stranded fish syndrome is here to stay.

America stagnates, allowing Her infrastructure to crumble right before Her eyes, Her middle class to disappear, the wealth and gender gap to widen, morals to decay, and civility to disappear, among just a few of the current maladies...................all because we insist on pursuing partisan and ideological goals to the exclusion of all else...................and because we're desperately trying to avoid experiencing the stranded fish syndrome.....................we'd prefer the other side to have that honor.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

lpnmajor wrote:

Here on OPP. we got to watch the Republicans outrage when Obama was elected President in 2008. There were those who insisted that he was not their President, that massive voter fraud was to blame, etc. The attacks on Obama seen here ran the gambit from- he's really a citizen of Kenya, he's a Muslim, to - he's trying to destroy America as we knew it. Many prominent people outside of OPP either started these attacks, or participated in them, including the current President. Everyone who participated in this endeavor insisted that they were Patriots and were merely trying to defend America, and accused their opponents of being un-Patriotic and worse. There was 8 years of this........then comes 2016.

Here on OPP we got to watch Democrats outrage when Trump was elected President, many insisting that he was not their President, that massive voter fraud or Russian interference was to blame. The attacks on Trump ran the gambit from - he's a Russian plant, he's an Israeli operative to - he's completely unqualified and self absorbed. Many prominent people outside of OPP either started these attacks or participated in them. Everyone who participated in this endeavor insisted that they were Patriots and were merely trying to defend America and accused their opponents of being un-Patriotic or worse.

How many Americans are truly trying to ruin their own country? None, but there are those here who insist on believing this fallacy. Those who castigated Obama for 8 years, insisted that they were justified in those attacks, who now attack those who are doing the exact same thing to Trump for exactly the same reason. Why is it that YOU can do such things, but others may not?

Going back decades, we watched the "losing" side flop like stranded fish, until they were rescued by the cycle switching back in their favor..............and watched the "other" side begin their death throe stranded flopping. To be perfectly clear, the ONLY loser in this cycle..................is America. We now sanction filling our courts with activist partisans, abandoning the Constitutional traditions of law, order and impartiality................all in an attempt to avoid experiencing the stranded fish syndrome. The truth is; there is no way to prevent the cyclic switching of the party in ascendance, so stranded fish syndrome is here to stay.

America stagnates, allowing Her infrastructure to crumble right before Her eyes, Her middle class to disappear, the wealth and gender gap to widen, morals to decay, and civility to disappear, among just a few of the current maladies...................all because we insist on pursuing partisan and ideological goals to the exclusion of all else...................and because we're desperately trying to avoid experiencing the stranded fish syndrome.....................we'd prefer the other side to have that honor.

Here on OPP. we got to watch the Republicans outra... (show quote)

Well done!!

MarvinSussman

lpnmajor wrote:

Here on OPP. we got to watch the Republicans outrage when Obama was elected President in 2008. There were those who insisted that he was not their President, that massive voter fraud was to blame, etc. The attacks on Obama seen here ran the gambit from- he's really a citizen of Kenya, he's a Muslim, to - he's trying to destroy America as we knew it. Many prominent people outside of OPP either started these attacks, or participated in them, including the current President. Everyone who participated in this endeavor insisted that they were Patriots and were merely trying to defend America, and accused their opponents of being un-Patriotic and worse. There was 8 years of this........then comes 2016.

Here on OPP we got to watch Democrats outrage when Trump was elected President, many insisting that he was not their President, that massive voter fraud or Russian interference was to blame. The attacks on Trump ran the gambit from - he's a Russian plant, he's an Israeli operative to - he's completely unqualified and self absorbed. Many prominent people outside of OPP either started these attacks or participated in them. Everyone who participated in this endeavor insisted that they were Patriots and were merely trying to defend America and accused their opponents of being un-Patriotic or worse.

How many Americans are truly trying to ruin their own country? None, but there are those here who insist on believing this fallacy. Those who castigated Obama for 8 years, insisted that they were justified in those attacks, who now attack those who are doing the exact same thing to Trump for exactly the same reason. Why is it that YOU can do such things, but others may not?

Going back decades, we watched the "losing" side flop like stranded fish, until they were rescued by the cycle switching back in their favor..............and watched the "other" side begin their death throe stranded flopping. To be perfectly clear, the ONLY loser in this cycle..................is America. We now sanction filling our courts with activist partisans, abandoning the Constitutional traditions of law, order and impartiality................all in an attempt to avoid experiencing the stranded fish syndrome. The truth is; there is no way to prevent the cyclic switching of the party in ascendance, so stranded fish syndrome is here to stay.

America stagnates, allowing Her infrastructure to crumble right before Her eyes, Her middle class to disappear, the wealth and gender gap to widen, morals to decay, and civility to disappear, among just a few of the current maladies...................all because we insist on pursuing partisan and ideological goals to the exclusion of all else...................and because we're desperately trying to avoid experiencing the stranded fish syndrome.....................we'd prefer the other side to have that honor.

Here on OPP. we got to watch the Republicans outra... (show quote)

MMT ECONOMY CHART’S SPENDING AND TAXING IMPLICATIONS

Congress spends without income. Acting on Congress’ laws, the US Treasury creates new, fiat money out of thin air and spends it in the marketplace. Likewise, out of thin air, private banks offer to the market credit (to be destroyed by a repayment debit) useful for creating real but not financial private wealth.

In the marketplace, the Treasury wires or sends checks to dependents and pays the private sector to build and manage federal infrastructure: defense, courts, prisons, highways, etc. While performing that service, the private sector creates both real and financial wealth for its households and businesses.

To prevent inflation, federal income taxes destroy1 about 75% of annual Congressional spending. Thus, the tax revenue deficit (aka “deficit spending”) is the private sector’s after-tax bank savings. Due to our trade deficit, about 15% of annual spending enters foreign bank accounts. The rest of the after-tax savings enters domestic banks. If the trade deficit exceeds the tax revenue deficit, we export more cash than we save, draining bank accounts and depressing the economy. Thus, a Constitutional amendment requiring federal budgets to be balanced over any time period would create built-in recessions or worse!

A tax revenue deficit allows credits of deposited Treasury checks to vastly exceed tax payment debits, upsetting the Fed’s bank reserves and the crucial federal funds interest rate anchoring all other interest rates. To even the score, the Treasury sells federal debt: a mere accounting gimmick! (A tax revenue surplus forces the Fed to buy privately-owned federal debt!) To restrict Congress’ spending, deficit hawks excite fears of inflation by citing large federal debt-to-GDP ratios. In fact, Treasury bond sales merely debit private bank accounts, adding nothing to the money supply. And if the money supply is too great, the remedy is to reduce it with higher federal income and estate taxes! Indeed, the debt fears could be quenched by an alternate accounting gimmick: eliminate auctions and have the Fed buy the needed debt directly from the Treasury! That should bring on a demand for more deficit spending!

Maximum prosperity needs maximum money flow into private bank accounts, which needs maximum after-tax savings, which needs maximum Congressional spending (maximizing federal infrastructure!), which needs minimum inflation, which needs maximum taxation of excessive discretionary income but minimum taxation of non-discretionary income, both of which needs high federal income tax rates and steeply progressive tax brackets. Indeed, such brackets have the added benefit of providing negative feedback: larger (smaller) ratios of federal tax revenue to annual spending due to “tax bracket creep” brought by economic expansion (contraction), thus smoothing our money supply’s fluctuations.

Maximum prosperity also needs minimum money outflow from private bank accounts, which needs minimum cost of privately-owned infrastructure. While the chart does not show that the private sector now contributes to Medicare and Social Security, there is no reason that Congress cannot finance all the federal trust funds. Indeed, Congress could also pay for all private infrastructure, down to pot-holes! Since all infrastructure contributes to defense, which is exclusively Congress’ burden, it is necessary and would be proper for Congress to pay for almost all infrastructure. This would greatly reduce the money outflow from private bank accounts and increase domestic private wealth. At a minimum, Congress should eliminate municipal bonds and stop making state taxpayers rent private systems of transportation, communication, energy, water supply, schools, fire/police, courts, prisons, etc.

1http://www.levyinstitute.org/publications/can-taxes-and-bonds-finance-government-spending

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Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

lpnmajor wrote:

Here on OPP. we got to watch the Republicans outrage when Obama was elected President in 2008. There were those who insisted that he was not their President, that massive voter fraud was to blame, etc. The attacks on Obama seen here ran the gambit from- he's really a citizen of Kenya, he's a Muslim, to - he's trying to destroy America as we knew it. Many prominent people outside of OPP either started these attacks, or participated in them, including the current President. Everyone who participated in this endeavor insisted that they were Patriots and were merely trying to defend America, and accused their opponents of being un-Patriotic and worse. There was 8 years of this........then comes 2016.

Here on OPP we got to watch Democrats outrage when Trump was elected President, many insisting that he was not their President, that massive voter fraud or Russian interference was to blame. The attacks on Trump ran the gambit from - he's a Russian plant, he's an Israeli operative to - he's completely unqualified and self absorbed. Many prominent people outside of OPP either started these attacks or participated in them. Everyone who participated in this endeavor insisted that they were Patriots and were merely trying to defend America and accused their opponents of being un-Patriotic or worse.

How many Americans are truly trying to ruin their own country? None, but there are those here who insist on believing this fallacy. Those who castigated Obama for 8 years, insisted that they were justified in those attacks, who now attack those who are doing the exact same thing to Trump for exactly the same reason. Why is it that YOU can do such things, but others may not?

Going back decades, we watched the "losing" side flop like stranded fish, until they were rescued by the cycle switching back in their favor..............and watched the "other" side begin their death throe stranded flopping. To be perfectly clear, the ONLY loser in this cycle..................is America. We now sanction filling our courts with activist partisans, abandoning the Constitutional traditions of law, order and impartiality................all in an attempt to avoid experiencing the stranded fish syndrome. The truth is; there is no way to prevent the cyclic switching of the party in ascendance, so stranded fish syndrome is here to stay.

America stagnates, allowing Her infrastructure to crumble right before Her eyes, Her middle class to disappear, the wealth and gender gap to widen, morals to decay, and civility to disappear, among just a few of the current maladies...................all because we insist on pursuing partisan and ideological goals to the exclusion of all else...................and because we're desperately trying to avoid experiencing the stranded fish syndrome.....................we'd prefer the other side to have that honor.

Here on OPP. we got to watch the Republicans outra... (show quote)

Superb

tommsteyer

Congress has adopted a no deplorable wanted sign. In the future historians will look back on how key "leaders" like Pelosi Schumer Schitt and Occasional Cortex wasted all their powder on annihilating Trump.and little energy or thought for the common man.

Homeless. Veterans. Foreign Wars. Health costs. Weren't those people elected to get things done, and not soak up network coverage with bilious hearings against the national interest?

Trump isn't the one destroying this country. its the partisan hacks in congress carried away with their own power. This creates an opportunity for other nations to assess us as otherwise divided.

And maybe our enemies will strike.

Maybe Comey wasn't such an outlier freak. Maybe everyone in Washington is making.money on Trump Rejection- itis and can't get off the merry go round because they' re addicted to it.

And it beats working hard for a living, right? Or doing real journalism.Thinking as opposed to trowling out anti Trump sludge.

Our taxes are supposed to go for real leadership, not party grandstanding.

ATTN Congress: stop whining and get back to the real stuff.

Kevyn

lpnmajor wrote:

Here on OPP. we got to watch the Republicans outrage when Obama was elected President in 2008. There were those who insisted that he was not their President, that massive voter fraud was to blame, etc. The attacks on Obama seen here ran the gambit from- he's really a citizen of Kenya, he's a Muslim, to - he's trying to destroy America as we knew it. Many prominent people outside of OPP either started these attacks, or participated in them, including the current President. Everyone who participated in this endeavor insisted that they were Patriots and were merely trying to defend America, and accused their opponents of being un-Patriotic and worse. There was 8 years of this........then comes 2016.

Here on OPP we got to watch Democrats outrage when Trump was elected President, many insisting that he was not their President, that massive voter fraud or Russian interference was to blame. The attacks on Trump ran the gambit from - he's a Russian plant, he's an Israeli operative to - he's completely unqualified and self absorbed. Many prominent people outside of OPP either started these attacks or participated in them. Everyone who participated in this endeavor insisted that they were Patriots and were merely trying to defend America and accused their opponents of being un-Patriotic or worse.

How many Americans are truly trying to ruin their own country? None, but there are those here who insist on believing this fallacy. Those who castigated Obama for 8 years, insisted that they were justified in those attacks, who now attack those who are doing the exact same thing to Trump for exactly the same reason. Why is it that YOU can do such things, but others may not?

Going back decades, we watched the "losing" side flop like stranded fish, until they were rescued by the cycle switching back in their favor..............and watched the "other" side begin their death throe stranded flopping. To be perfectly clear, the ONLY loser in this cycle..................is America. We now sanction filling our courts with activist partisans, abandoning the Constitutional traditions of law, order and impartiality................all in an attempt to avoid experiencing the stranded fish syndrome. The truth is; there is no way to prevent the cyclic switching of the party in ascendance, so stranded fish syndrome is here to stay.

America stagnates, allowing Her infrastructure to crumble right before Her eyes, Her middle class to disappear, the wealth and gender gap to widen, morals to decay, and civility to disappear, among just a few of the current maladies...................all because we insist on pursuing partisan and ideological goals to the exclusion of all else...................and because we're desperately trying to avoid experiencing the stranded fish syndrome.....................we'd prefer the other side to have that honor.

Here on OPP. we got to watch the Republicans outra... (show quote)

I vehemently disagree with your thoughtful assessment. I firmly believe that Trump is acting to harm the nation to its core and has nothing but self interest in his heart. His attacks against our cherished and respected institutions from the courts to the press destroy many Americans respect for our justice system and faith in fact itself. It is unquestionable that Trump routinely lies and often contradicts himself. Because of his little twitter tirades against any reporting on his failures, lies and acts of buffoonery pointing out his proven unquestionable foibles to his supporters is a waste of time. They, for reasons unknown to me see him as some sort of deity incapable of lie or misdeed. I think that many of his supporters have simply been conned. However some of his core supporters also wish to harm the very nature of this country and turn it into a quasi fascist state with a strong man ruler and rubber stamp congress and courts and cheerleading propaganda pimping press. This is as long as he pushes policies to attack minority’s and immigration take rights from marginalized groups and force conservative Christian culture on all walks of life. His more astute supporters are the uber wealthy who can easily move around to avoid ecological destruction, profit immensely from a lack of regulations on extraction industries, labor protections and banking practices not to mention the outrageous tax cuts they reaped.

tommsteyer

Best domestic jobs numbers in years.

And if Trump is running this country so badly, why are millions risking their lives and safety to get here.

It will take a really bad president to get a new population of naysayers to look back and re-assess that this was a better time than in recent years.

Remember Bill Clinton had the Internet boom to make his time in office seem great. (pause).

bylm1-Bernie

Kevyn wrote:

I vehemently disagree with your thoughtful assessm... (show quote)

See my comment on another thread.

rumitoid

lpnmajor wrote:

Here on OPP. we got to watch the Republicans outrage when Obama was elected President in 2008. There were those who insisted that he was not their President, that massive voter fraud was to blame, etc. The attacks on Obama seen here ran the gambit from- he's really a citizen of Kenya, he's a Muslim, to - he's trying to destroy America as we knew it. Many prominent people outside of OPP either started these attacks, or participated in them, including the current President. Everyone who participated in this endeavor insisted that they were Patriots and were merely trying to defend America, and accused their opponents of being un-Patriotic and worse. There was 8 years of this........then comes 2016.

Here on OPP we got to watch Democrats outrage when Trump was elected President, many insisting that he was not their President, that massive voter fraud or Russian interference was to blame. The attacks on Trump ran the gambit from - he's a Russian plant, he's an Israeli operative to - he's completely unqualified and self absorbed. Many prominent people outside of OPP either started these attacks or participated in them. Everyone who participated in this endeavor insisted that they were Patriots and were merely trying to defend America and accused their opponents of being un-Patriotic or worse.

How many Americans are truly trying to ruin their own country? None, but there are those here who insist on believing this fallacy. Those who castigated Obama for 8 years, insisted that they were justified in those attacks, who now attack those who are doing the exact same thing to Trump for exactly the same reason. Why is it that YOU can do such things, but others may not?

Going back decades, we watched the "losing" side flop like stranded fish, until they were rescued by the cycle switching back in their favor..............and watched the "other" side begin their death throe stranded flopping. To be perfectly clear, the ONLY loser in this cycle..................is America. We now sanction filling our courts with activist partisans, abandoning the Constitutional traditions of law, order and impartiality................all in an attempt to avoid experiencing the stranded fish syndrome. The truth is; there is no way to prevent the cyclic switching of the party in ascendance, so stranded fish syndrome is here to stay.

America stagnates, allowing Her infrastructure to crumble right before Her eyes, Her middle class to disappear, the wealth and gender gap to widen, morals to decay, and civility to disappear, among just a few of the current maladies...................all because we insist on pursuing partisan and ideological goals to the exclusion of all else...................and because we're desperately trying to avoid experiencing the stranded fish syndrome.....................we'd prefer the other side to have that honor.

Here on OPP. we got to watch the Republicans outra... (show quote)

Excellent, well-done.

Common_Sense_Matters

lpnmajor wrote:

Here on OPP. we got to watch the Republicans outrage when Obama was elected President in 2008. There were those who insisted that he was not their President, that massive voter fraud was to blame, etc. The attacks on Obama seen here ran the gambit from- he's really a citizen of Kenya, he's a Muslim, to - he's trying to destroy America as we knew it. Many prominent people outside of OPP either started these attacks, or participated in them, including the current President. Everyone who participated in this endeavor insisted that they were Patriots and were merely trying to defend America, and accused their opponents of being un-Patriotic and worse. There was 8 years of this........then comes 2016.

Here on OPP we got to watch Democrats outrage when Trump was elected President, many insisting that he was not their President, that massive voter fraud or Russian interference was to blame. The attacks on Trump ran the gambit from - he's a Russian plant, he's an Israeli operative to - he's completely unqualified and self absorbed. Many prominent people outside of OPP either started these attacks or participated in them. Everyone who participated in this endeavor insisted that they were Patriots and were merely trying to defend America and accused their opponents of being un-Patriotic or worse.

How many Americans are truly trying to ruin their own country? None, but there are those here who insist on believing this fallacy. Those who castigated Obama for 8 years, insisted that they were justified in those attacks, who now attack those who are doing the exact same thing to Trump for exactly the same reason. Why is it that YOU can do such things, but others may not?

Going back decades, we watched the "losing" side flop like stranded fish, until they were rescued by the cycle switching back in their favor..............and watched the "other" side begin their death throe stranded flopping. To be perfectly clear, the ONLY loser in this cycle..................is America. We now sanction filling our courts with activist partisans, abandoning the Constitutional traditions of law, order and impartiality................all in an attempt to avoid experiencing the stranded fish syndrome. The truth is; there is no way to prevent the cyclic switching of the party in ascendance, so stranded fish syndrome is here to stay.

America stagnates, allowing Her infrastructure to crumble right before Her eyes, Her middle class to disappear, the wealth and gender gap to widen, morals to decay, and civility to disappear, among just a few of the current maladies...................all because we insist on pursuing partisan and ideological goals to the exclusion of all else...................and because we're desperately trying to avoid experiencing the stranded fish syndrome.....................we'd prefer the other side to have that honor.

Here on OPP. we got to watch the Republicans outra... (show quote)

Very well thought out and balanced thread. Now here is the rub, how do we avoid the stranded fish syndrome? How can we create a way to make everyone happy? I would suggest more centered politics but as we have seen, any Republican headed anywhere near "centered" is called a rino, not sure if Democrats would label their more "centered" politicians as dinos or not, but if "centered Republicans are rinos, then it would seem that Republicans won't be happy with "centered" politics. Would Democrats be happy with "centered" politics?

Wonttakeitanymore

lpnmajor wrote:

Here on OPP. we got to watch the Republicans outrage when Obama was elected President in 2008. There were those who insisted that he was not their President, that massive voter fraud was to blame, etc. The attacks on Obama seen here ran the gambit from- he's really a citizen of Kenya, he's a Muslim, to - he's trying to destroy America as we knew it. Many prominent people outside of OPP either started these attacks, or participated in them, including the current President. Everyone who participated in this endeavor insisted that they were Patriots and were merely trying to defend America, and accused their opponents of being un-Patriotic and worse. There was 8 years of this........then comes 2016.

Here on OPP we got to watch Democrats outrage when Trump was elected President, many insisting that he was not their President, that massive voter fraud or Russian interference was to blame. The attacks on Trump ran the gambit from - he's a Russian plant, he's an Israeli operative to - he's completely unqualified and self absorbed. Many prominent people outside of OPP either started these attacks or participated in them. Everyone who participated in this endeavor insisted that they were Patriots and were merely trying to defend America and accused their opponents of being un-Patriotic or worse.

How many Americans are truly trying to ruin their own country? None, but there are those here who insist on believing this fallacy. Those who castigated Obama for 8 years, insisted that they were justified in those attacks, who now attack those who are doing the exact same thing to Trump for exactly the same reason. Why is it that YOU can do such things, but others may not?

Going back decades, we watched the "losing" side flop like stranded fish, until they were rescued by the cycle switching back in their favor..............and watched the "other" side begin their death throe stranded flopping. To be perfectly clear, the ONLY loser in this cycle..................is America. We now sanction filling our courts with activist partisans, abandoning the Constitutional traditions of law, order and impartiality................all in an attempt to avoid experiencing the stranded fish syndrome. The truth is; there is no way to prevent the cyclic switching of the party in ascendance, so stranded fish syndrome is here to stay.

America stagnates, allowing Her infrastructure to crumble right before Her eyes, Her middle class to disappear, the wealth and gender gap to widen, morals to decay, and civility to disappear, among just a few of the current maladies...................all because we insist on pursuing partisan and ideological goals to the exclusion of all else...................and because we're desperately trying to avoid experiencing the stranded fish syndrome.....................we'd prefer the other side to have that honor.

Here on OPP. we got to watch the Republicans outra... (show quote)

Difference is that there were no investigations allowed! Also republicans didn’t need safe spaces! Too many more to list! There was massive fraud and intimidation because of color!

Reality

lpnmajor wrote:

Here on OPP. we got to watch the Republicans outrage when Obama was elected President in 2008. There were those who insisted that he was not their President, that massive voter fraud was to blame, etc. The attacks on Obama seen here ran the gambit from- he's really a citizen of Kenya, he's a Muslim, to - he's trying to destroy America as we knew it. Many prominent people outside of OPP either started these attacks, or participated in them, including the current President. Everyone who participated in this endeavor insisted that they were Patriots and were merely trying to defend America, and accused their opponents of being un-Patriotic and worse. There was 8 years of this........then comes 2016.

Here on OPP we got to watch Democrats outrage when Trump was elected President, many insisting that he was not their President, that massive voter fraud or Russian interference was to blame. The attacks on Trump ran the gambit from - he's a Russian plant, he's an Israeli operative to - he's completely unqualified and self absorbed. Many prominent people outside of OPP either started these attacks or participated in them. Everyone who participated in this endeavor insisted that they were Patriots and were merely trying to defend America and accused their opponents of being un-Patriotic or worse.

How many Americans are truly trying to ruin their own country? None, but there are those here who insist on believing this fallacy. Those who castigated Obama for 8 years, insisted that they were justified in those attacks, who now attack those who are doing the exact same thing to Trump for exactly the same reason. Why is it that YOU can do such things, but others may not?

Going back decades, we watched the "losing" side flop like stranded fish, until they were rescued by the cycle switching back in their favor..............and watched the "other" side begin their death throe stranded flopping. To be perfectly clear, the ONLY loser in this cycle..................is America. We now sanction filling our courts with activist partisans, abandoning the Constitutional traditions of law, order and impartiality................all in an attempt to avoid experiencing the stranded fish syndrome. The truth is; there is no way to prevent the cyclic switching of the party in ascendance, so stranded fish syndrome is here to stay.

America stagnates, allowing Her infrastructure to crumble right before Her eyes, Her middle class to disappear, the wealth and gender gap to widen, morals to decay, and civility to disappear, among just a few of the current maladies...................all because we insist on pursuing partisan and ideological goals to the exclusion of all else...................and because we're desperately trying to avoid experiencing the stranded fish syndrome.....................we'd prefer the other side to have that honor.

Here on OPP. we got to watch the Republicans outra... (show quote)

Nonsense!!!!

Obama was trying to destroy the country. If you think socialism doesn’t destroy then you aren’t paying attention.

Trump is doing great things for the country and the economy. Can anyone actually bring facts to this conversation that dispute this?m

The useful idiots, those wanting to bring in communism (socialism), have nothing to actually stand on. Their arguments aren’t logical in any way.

Plus, those who didn’t like what Obama was doing were not acting like SO MANY of those who don’t like Trump. Look at the Hollywood nut jobs and their words. Obama never endured anything like what is happening with Trump.

Watch this to understand what has happened to the sheeple on the left.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA

badbobby Loc: texas

lpnmajor wrote:

Here on OPP. we got to watch the Republicans outrage when Obama was elected President in 2008. There were those who insisted that he was not their President, that massive voter fraud was to blame, etc. The attacks on Obama seen here ran the gambit from- he's really a citizen of Kenya, he's a Muslim, to - he's trying to destroy America as we knew it. Many prominent people outside of OPP either started these attacks, or participated in them, including the current President. Everyone who participated in this endeavor insisted that they were Patriots and were merely trying to defend America, and accused their opponents of being un-Patriotic and worse. There was 8 years of this........then comes 2016.

Here on OPP we got to watch Democrats outrage when Trump was elected President, many insisting that he was not their President, that massive voter fraud or Russian interference was to blame. The attacks on Trump ran the gambit from - he's a Russian plant, he's an Israeli operative to - he's completely unqualified and self absorbed. Many prominent people outside of OPP either started these attacks or participated in them. Everyone who participated in this endeavor insisted that they were Patriots and were merely trying to defend America and accused their opponents of being un-Patriotic or worse.

How many Americans are truly trying to ruin their own country? None, but there are those here who insist on believing this fallacy. Those who castigated Obama for 8 years, insisted that they were justified in those attacks, who now attack those who are doing the exact same thing to Trump for exactly the same reason. Why is it that YOU can do such things, but others may not?

Going back decades, we watched the "losing" side flop like stranded fish, until they were rescued by the cycle switching back in their favor..............and watched the "other" side begin their death throe stranded flopping. To be perfectly clear, the ONLY loser in this cycle..................is America. We now sanction filling our courts with activist partisans, abandoning the Constitutional traditions of law, order and impartiality................all in an attempt to avoid experiencing the stranded fish syndrome. The truth is; there is no way to prevent the cyclic switching of the party in ascendance, so stranded fish syndrome is here to stay.

America stagnates, allowing Her infrastructure to crumble right before Her eyes, Her middle class to disappear, the wealth and gender gap to widen, morals to decay, and civility to disappear, among just a few of the current maladies...................all because we insist on pursuing partisan and ideological goals to the exclusion of all else...................and because we're desperately trying to avoid experiencing the stranded fish syndrome.....................we'd prefer the other side to have that honor.

Here on OPP. we got to watch the Republicans outra... (show quote)

can't argue that logic Doc

Mikeyavelli

How can any informed being take the middle road?
Obama wasn't unfairly maligned. The tragedy with Obama is that everyone in Washington DC knew exactly what and who he was yet supported the manufactured version that was the president of the United States.
Trump is the true victim of a coup, which is about to be prosecuted.
There is no give and take to be had at this point.
One side has to prevail. And for the first time in 10 years, it looks like the Republicans will prevail. America wins when the corruption in Washington DC is gone. Looks like it's about to happen.

badbobby Loc: texas

Mikeyavelli wrote:

How can any informed being take the middle road? ... (show quote)

don'e bet your house on it Mikey
politics is dirty
both sides