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Mar 27, 2014 13:24:11   #
Duckie
 
Dude, you know who I am and my age..... why are you pretending not to know me? You and I exchanged PMs.....

Worried for our children wrote:
I see. I presumed "Duckie" to be a young female from her writing style. See now if you had not come back, who would've been there to come to her defense. See, HE DOES work in mysterious ways!

Btw, thats just "rumi" being "rumi", I've been reading him for a while now, sometimes he seems lucid and other times, well....not so much. He's an aquired taste. Shame you guys are butting heads, hope it works out for the better, either way it's like you said, small matters.
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Mar 27, 2014 13:39:59   #
Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City
 
Worried for our children wrote:
Ok I getcha. I'm more familiar with, "you can't get blood from a rock", and something about "falling off the turnip truck".... Anyway thanks!


:thumbup: :thumbup: Speaking of, most would like to think I just fell off the turnip truck :-P :-P

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Mar 27, 2014 16:00:12   #
Worried for our children Loc: Massachusetts
 
Duckie wrote:
Dude, you know who I am and my age..... why are you pretending not to know me? You and I exchanged PMs.....







I don't recall any PM's to or from you, but I will go back and look, I wasn't pretending. All I knew was that "ginnyt" is your mom, from the "happy st. Patty's day" topic. I didn't know your gender, though I guessed, and I did not or don't recall your age. But I'll look into those PM's.

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Mar 27, 2014 16:06:35   #
Worried for our children Loc: Massachusetts
 
Nope, no PM's from you.... maybe you have me confused with someone else.





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Mar 27, 2014 16:24:20   #
Duckie
 
My mistake. I had you confused with someone else. My apologies. fyi, I turned 16 in December. Ginny is now my Mom, she adopted me. I am a female.

Worried for our children wrote:
I don't recall any PM's to or from you, but I will go back and look, I wasn't pretending. All I knew was that "ginnyt" is your mom, from the "happy st. Patty's day" topic. I didn't know your gender, though I guessed, and I did not or don't recall your age. But I'll look into those PM's.

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Mar 27, 2014 16:45:48   #
Worried for our children Loc: Massachusetts
 
Duckie wrote:
My mistake. I had you confused with someone else. My apologies. fyi, I turned 16 in December. Ginny is now my Mom, she adopted me. I am a female.





Lol ok, humbly accepted.

My oldest daughter is also in December, she's a tad older than you. From the little I know of "ginnyt", I trust you are in great hands. From the little bit that "Happy J" has said to me, I wish you the best, and in me, you have another total stranger in your corner, best wishes "Duckie"!

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Mar 27, 2014 16:59:56   #
She Wolf Loc: Currently Georgia
 
Private schools usually give the parents a hand book detailing what is expected of the children. Many schools insist upon uniforms. If this was the case, her grandparents simply made the wrong choice for her.

I was a tom boy. Wore jeans, tee shirts, sneakers, but I liked my hair long. The private school my parents enrolled my sisters and me in required we wear: navy blue skirts, white blouses, navy blue school blazers, white knee socks and black shoes. I hated it. However, as my mother explained to me rather loudly, it is a small price to pay for an excellent education. I could wear the jeans and tee shirts at home.

Mother went on to explain in the work force you will have dress codes. Get use to it kid. I replied it's not fair. She replied whoever told you life was fair. I complied with the dress code. Not that I had a choice.

If the short hair, jeans, tee shirts and sneakers are so important to this child, then it is good her grandparents removed her from that school. I am sure she will make new friends in her new school.

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Mar 28, 2014 00:53:44   #
rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.
 
As usual your word usage is far superior to mine and I get lost about half way through. A little embarrassing to admit that, but I hope I'm on the same page as you as I try to understand and follow.
rumitoid wrote:
I agree, Rhomin, as my post above states. We get a cup of hot coffee and sue, successfully, because it is not labeled "hot." Ridiculous!
The question I was trying to raise and obviously did a poor job of it is the freedom to be discriminating over and against the equality of all, which is a fundamental ideal of America. This particular may seem minor or absurd, yet the very basic paradoxes of our form of government are challenged, as well as God's principles. If we take as our fundamental right the liberty to say I will not serve you or deny recognition in another form due to whatever values, beliefs, or norms we may embrace, what happens to equality?
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Mar 28, 2014 01:23:49   #
Brian Devon
 
She Wolf wrote:
Private schools usually give the parents a hand book detailing what is expected of the children. Many schools insist upon uniforms. If this was the case, her grandparents simply made the wrong choice for her.

I was a tom boy. Wore jeans, tee shirts, sneakers, but I liked my hair long. The private school my parents enrolled my sisters and me in required we wear: navy blue skirts, white blouses, navy blue school blazers, white knee socks and black shoes. I hated it. However, as my mother explained to me rather loudly, it is a small price to pay for an excellent education. I could wear the jeans and tee shirts at home.

Mother went on to explain in the work force you will have dress codes. Get use to it kid. I replied it's not fair. She replied whoever told you life was fair. I complied with the dress code. Not that I had a choice.

If the short hair, jeans, tee shirts and sneakers are so important to this child, then it is good her grandparents removed her from that school. I am sure she will make new friends in her new school.
Private schools usually give the parents a hand bo... (show quote)





Yes private schools can set their own dress codes. However homophobia directed at an eight year old girl reeks of bigotry and paranoia. I suspect this little girl thinks far more about shooting hoops than she does about being involved with another girl.

Private schools have a right to enforce their own particular brand of rigidity. Many of us also have the right to view them as bigoted OCD morons.

The little girl will probably be a whole lot happier in Public School. What should she say to her former school administrators, how about, "good riddance".

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Mar 28, 2014 01:34:37   #
Happy J
 
Again, I am with you 99 percent, but in the article and the video it seems that the Sunnie wants to return to the school. "She cries and wants to go back to where her friends are."

Brian Devon wrote:
Yes private schools can set their own dress codes. However homophobia directed at an eight year old girl reeks of bigotry and paranoia. I suspect this little girl thinks far more about shooting hoops than she does about being involved with another girl.

Private schools have a right to enforce their own particular brand of rigidity. Many of us also have the right to view them as bigoted OCD morons.

The little girl will probably be a whole lot happier in Public School. What should she say to her former school administrators, how about, "good riddance".
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Mar 28, 2014 01:56:49   #
rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.
 
You know, Scripture says we are suppose to abide by the Law of the Land. Here in America especially, the Law of the Land was established upon the Goodness of the Lord God and if you lived within his teachings that included as well the Laws of the Land so you didn't have to worry bout it.

Here in our country the Law stipulates that a child becomes "of age" at 18 years old. They can sign documents and legal papers on their own, and simply are considered an adult. During childhood, adolescents, and teen years minors are the responsibility of the Parents. Anything that happens to them is on the Parents- of course, "but to our Spiritual God as well."
Parents are to bring their children up wisely, and in good instruction.
When this little girls Grandparents (legal guardians) enrolled her into a Christian School, signing to abide by their standards and policies, what would have been the problem of having her dress feminine during school as standards state, then dress tomboyish once home.
Grandparents are sweet and wonderful, liking to spoil their grandchildren and feel guilt and overly sympathetic for what ever happened to their own child- the natural parent.
Here they are teaching their grandchild to ignore Standards, Policies, and Rules, per possibly their own internal dilema. Is this Right? The world doesn't stop for one particular case, and should it?

Out of four sisters, I was the only one that was rather tomboyish, but was brought up from ot to be taught that dresses and feminine dress was the call for school and church. After that, I would get in my jeans and t-shirts to climb trees, ride bikes, hunt bull-frogs, and such. I remained balanced as to what was right, what was wrong in that sense, and don't baulk at various organizations, schools, and employers requirements. Have been married, had children, even though I still prefer my jeans and t-shirts "on my own time." Anything wrong with this?
Brian Devon wrote:
Yes private schools can set their own dress codes. However homophobia directed at an eight year old girl reeks of bigotry and paranoia. I suspect this little girl thinks far more about shooting hoops than she does about being involved with another girl.

Private schools have a right to enforce their own particular brand of rigidity. Many of us also have the right to view them as bigoted OCD morons.

The little girl will probably be a whole lot happier in Public School. What should she say to her former school administrators, how about, "good riddance".
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Mar 28, 2014 02:19:15   #
Happy J
 
Just a though here, and forgive me if I am wrong, but do you think the school would still have sent the letter if the clothes that Sunnie was not those of a boy? In that, if the jeans she wore were better fitting and the shirt be that of a girl's shirt? And the hair could be combed into a flattering style that many young ladies wear. I just went back and looked at the video and the pictures again, she does look like a boy. I do not think the school was demanding that she not wear jeans or t shirts, but they would like them to be a young girl's t and jeans. As for the hair, again I am not sure that the school was demanding that her hair be long, but styled. I understand that the family may not have much money, but how much does a hair cut cost... beauty colleges do cuts for as little as $15. Perhaps the grandparents kept it short because they did not have time to help her fix it in the mornings. Oh well, I am a guy, what do I know? Glad I have boys!

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rhomin57 wrote:
You know, Scripture says we are suppose to abide by the Law of the Land. Here in America especially, the Law of the Land was established upon the Goodness of the Lord God and if you lived within his teachings that included as well the Laws of the Land so you didn't have to worry bout it.

Here in our country the Law stipulates that a child becomes "of age" at 18 years old. They can sign documents and legal papers on their own, and simply are considered an adult. During childhood, adolescents, and teen years minors are the responsibility of the Parents. Anything that happens to them is on the Parents- of course, "but to our Spiritual God as well."
Parents are to bring their children up wisely, and in good instruction.
When this little girls Grandparents (legal guardians) enrolled her into a Christian School, signing to abide by their standards and policies, what would have been the problem of having her dress feminine during school as standards state, then dress tomboyish once home.
Grandparents are sweet and wonderful, liking to spoil their grandchildren and feel guilt and overly sympathetic for what ever happened to their own child- the natural parent.
Here they are teaching their grandchild to ignore Standards, Policies, and Rules, per possibly their own internal dilema. Is this Right? The world doesn't stop for one particular case, and should it?

Out of four sisters, I was the only one that was rather tomboyish, but was brought up from ot to be taught that dresses and feminine dress was the call for school and church. After that, I would get in my jeans and t-shirts to climb trees, ride bikes, hunt bull-frogs, and such. I remained balanced as to what was right, what was wrong in that sense, and don't baulk at various organizations, schools, and employers requirements. Have been married, had children, even though I still prefer my jeans and t-shirts "on my own time." Anything wrong with this?
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Mar 28, 2014 05:26:59   #
rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.
 
You may be right! Not sure as every situation is different in small ways. I raised boys as well, and glad of it as I've never been real good with my own hair. When I'm feeling fancy, I wear a clip in one side of my hair. If I'm feeling really really fancy, I put the same clip on the other side of my hair. lol...
Happy J wrote:
Just a though here, and forgive me if I am wrong, but do you think the school would still have sent the letter if the clothes that Sunnie was not those of a boy? In that, if the jeans she wore were better fitting and the shirt be that of a girl's shirt? And the hair could be combed into a flattering style that many young ladies wear. I just went back and looked at the video and the pictures again, she does look like a boy. I do not think the school was demanding that she not wear jeans or t shirts, but they would like them to be a young girl's t and jeans. As for the hair, again I am not sure that the school was demanding that her hair be long, but styled. I understand that the family may not have much money, but how much does a hair cut cost... beauty colleges do cuts for as little as $15. Perhaps the grandparents kept it short because they did not have time to help her fix it in the mornings. Oh well, I am a guy, what do I know? Glad I have boys!

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Mar 28, 2014 09:33:26   #
Happy J
 
rhomin57 wrote:
You may be right! Not sure as every situation is different in small ways. I raised boys as well, and glad of it as I've never been real good with my own hair. When I'm feeling fancy, I wear a clip in one side of my hair. If I'm feeling really really fancy, I put the same clip on the other side of my hair. lol...


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My wife, she was such a wonderful woman, she was not a girly girl, she went fishing, off roading, rock hounding..... and when she and I first met, I asked her out to a real nice place; when I went to pick her up, she was in tears. She had a friend do her hair and it was a hot mess! Needless to say, I went for take out while she stepped into the shower and washed her hair. She always wore it natural, sometimes she would braid it, but most of the time she pinned it in a simple bun or just let it hang natural. Beautiful!

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