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When a Homosexual Episcopalian Calls Trump’s Christianity ‘Hypocritical’
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Apr 9, 2019 12:05:34   #
bahmer
 
Kazudy wrote:
Bahmer, I don't know what is in President Trumps heart, but I do belive that he is sincerely trying to do God's work. God can and does use anyone even those charleton preachers that are in it just for the money. Some of their followers accept Christ. King Aheb called upon a prophet of the pagan god Baal to put a curse on Isreal, but all that prophet could do was bless it. That made Aheb realize that Israel's God was the real God.


I have another article that I will post later that brings up King Ahab you may like that article as well.

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Apr 9, 2019 12:11:41   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Kevyn wrote:
It clearly depends on which denomination you belong to, some accept gay members and women as ministers while some talk in tongues handle snakes and do miracle healings in tents down south.


That is true but not all "denominations" are Biblical.

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Apr 9, 2019 12:15:48   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
byronglimish wrote:
The denominations who do not strictly avoid what the bible clearly defines as sin and disqualifies anyone from entering the Kingdom would be the ones who condone homosexuality.

It is clearly and unavoidably stated in the Torah and new Testament, men having sex with men removes any chance for eternal life.

You can try the old worn out tactic of hiding your strong promotion of sodomy, behind other non- biblical beliefs, but it doesn't work.


Just a thought...the Bible says "whosoever believeth ( in Jesus) shall not perish but have everlasting life".

It doesn't say whosoever believeth and stops having man to man sex, or drinking, or stealing, or any of the sins.
There will be a price to pay, but the Bible doesn't say if man lay with a man, the same shall not see the kingdom of God.

No, I'm not condoning homosexuality, not in the least, don't even think that. I'm just saying that the Bible says that no one will be cast into hell who believes on Jesus.

Like I said to start with...just a thought.

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Apr 9, 2019 12:18:13   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
maximus wrote:
Just a thought...the Bible says "whosoever believeth ( in Jesus) shall not perish but have everlasting life".

It doesn't say whosoever believeth and stops having man to man sex, or drinking, or stealing, or any of the sins.
There will be a price to pay, but the Bible doesn't say if man lay with a man, the same shall not see the kingdom of God.

No, I'm not condoning homosexuality, not in the least, don't even think that. I'm just saying that the Bible says that no one will be cast into hell who believes on Jesus.

Like I said to start with...just a thought.
Just a thought...the Bible says "whosoever be... (show quote)



Look up 1st Corinthians 6:9...there are disqualifying sins.

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Apr 9, 2019 12:19:10   #
Lonewolf
 
maximus wrote:
Just a thought...the Bible says "whosoever believeth ( in Jesus) shall not perish but have everlasting life".

It doesn't say whosoever believeth and stops having man to man sex, or drinking, or stealing, or any of the sins.
There will be a price to pay, but the Bible doesn't say if man lay with a man, the same shall not see the kingdom of God.

No, I'm not condoning homosexuality, not in the least, don't even think that. I'm just saying that the Bible says that no one will be cast into hell who believes on Jesus.

Like I said to start with...just a thought.
Just a thought...the Bible says "whosoever be... (show quote)



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Apr 9, 2019 12:26:15   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
maximus wrote:
Just a thought...the Bible says "whosoever believeth ( in Jesus) shall not perish but have everlasting life".

It doesn't say whosoever believeth and stops having man to man sex, or drinking, or stealing, or any of the sins.
There will be a price to pay, but the Bible doesn't say if man lay with a man, the same shall not see the kingdom of God.

No, I'm not condoning homosexuality, not in the least, don't even think that. I'm just saying that the Bible says that no one will be cast into hell who believes on Jesus.

Like I said to start with...just a thought.
Just a thought...the Bible says "whosoever be... (show quote)


I don't remember what the old term was, but we inserted the word believe for it. The origin term meant action based upon belief.

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Apr 9, 2019 12:28:32   #
bahmer
 
maximus wrote:
Just a thought...the Bible says "whosoever believeth ( in Jesus) shall not perish but have everlasting life".

It doesn't say whosoever believeth and stops having man to man sex, or drinking, or stealing, or any of the sins.
There will be a price to pay, but the Bible doesn't say if man lay with a man, the same shall not see the kingdom of God.

No, I'm not condoning homosexuality, not in the least, don't even think that. I'm just saying that the Bible says that no one will be cast into hell who believes on Jesus.

Like I said to start with...just a thought.
Just a thought...the Bible says "whosoever be... (show quote)


I suggest that you read the following

1 Corinthians 6:9-20 King James Version (KJV)

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.

14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.

16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

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Apr 9, 2019 12:51:24   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
bahmer wrote:
I suggest that you read the following

1 Corinthians 6:9-20 King James Version (KJV)

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.

14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.

16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
I suggest that you read the following br br 1 Cor... (show quote)



Also Matthew chapter (7) is a clear example of who will and who won't be allowed in.

Verses 21 - 23 seems clear that not all who profess are eligible for the Kingdom.

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Apr 9, 2019 12:56:10   #
bahmer
 
Kazudy wrote:
Bahmer, I don't know what is in President Trumps heart, but I do belive that he is sincerely trying to do God's work. God can and does use anyone even those charleton preachers that are in it just for the money. Some of their followers accept Christ. King Aheb called upon a prophet of the pagan god Baal to put a curse on Isreal, but all that prophet could do was bless it. That made Aheb realize that Israel's God was the real God.


I just posted the article that brings up King Ahab for your information.

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Apr 9, 2019 13:22:12   #
Betta
 
Butt boy better go blow the dust off his bible. I'm always intrigued when a sodomite sits in church then goes home to do what God calls abominable and thinks it's okay. Clearly he has not repented but is arrogant towards God. He will pay for his arrogance throughout eternity if he does not confess to God and repent. The lifestyle he leads is demonic. What a rude awakening he's got coming.


bahmer wrote:
When a Homosexual Episcopalian Calls Trump’s Christianity ‘Hypocritical’
By Dr. Michael Brown - April 9, 2019

If ever there was a glaring instance of the pot calling the kettle black it was when South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg, a professing Christian and practicing homosexual, called President Trump a hypocritical Christian. Seriously?

To be clear, I have no problem with someone questioning whether President Trump is a true Christian. An evangelical friend of mine who has met with Trump on several occasions recently told me that he does not believe the president has had a true conversion experience but that he does truly fear God. Other friends have told me they believe that Trump loves Jesus but is a mere babe when it comes to the Christian faith.

Ultimately, only God knows the state of Donald Trump’s soul.

But I fully understand why people question his Christian faith, based on his past life (before becoming president) and his current behavior (as president).

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One thing, though, is sure: Donald Trump does not claim to be a model Christian, nor should we look to him for an example of how to live out our faith.

What is utterly absurd, though, is for a man who professes to be a serious Christian, yet is pro-abortion and “married” to his same-sex partner, to call out Trump’s alleged hypocrisy.

According to USA Today, which wholeheartedly supported Buttigieg’s position without a hint of awareness of the irony of it all, “Mayor Pete” stands out “as a devoted Christian.”

According to Buttigieg:

“The left is rightly committed to a separation of church and state … but we need to not be afraid to invoke arguments that are convincing on why Christian faith is going to point you in a progressive direction.”
In contrast, he criticized right-wing Christians for:

“saying so much about what Christ said so little about, and so little about what he said so much about.”

As for Trump, he said:

“I’m reluctant to comment on another person’s faith, but I would say it is hard to look at this president’s actions and believe that they’re the actions of somebody who believes in God. I just don’t understand how you can be as worshipful of your own self as he is and be prepared to humble yourself before God. I’ve never seen him humble himself before anyone. And the exaltation of yourself, especially a self that’s about wealth and power, could not be more at odds with at least my understanding of the teachings of the Christian faith.”
Is Buttigieg guilty of judging President Trump in a way that violates the Lord’s mandate to not judge? (See Matthew 7:1-5; for an explanation of what Jesus actually meant, see here.) That is certainly possible, since he is judging largely by second-hand information and outward appearance.

More importantly, though, Buttigieg is certainly guilty of the very hypocrisy which Jesus clearly rebukes in Matthew 7, saying:

“Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye” (Matt 7:3-5).

First, Buttigieg says that one of his favorite verses in the Bible is where Jesus says:

“Whatever you did for one of the least of these … you did for me” (see Matthew 25:31-46).
Yet Buttigieg claims that when it comes to abortion:

“Jesus never mentioned the issue.”

So, for Buttigieg, whose platform is thoroughly to the left, innocent, helpless, babies in the womb are not included in the “least of these,” yet illegal immigrants are.

In fact, not only is he “openly pro-choice,” but when it comes to late-term abortion, he will make no official comment, saying only this:

“when a woman is in that situation … extremely difficult, painful, often medically serious situations where life or health of the mother is at stake, involvement of a male government official like me is not helpful.”
So much for caring for “the least of these.”

Yet when Trump and Pence take strong pro-life stands, Buttigieg deems this hypocritical. (He also criticizes Pence as a “cheerleader of the porn-star presidency.” Not too judgmental, eh?)

Second, as an out-and-proud gay man, Buttigieg must discard the entire testimony of Scripture, since every single reference to homosexual practice in the Bible is condemnatory, without a single positive, homosex-affirming statement of any kind. (Let me be quick to add, however, that grace, mercy, and forgiveness are offered to all alike through the cross.)

It would be one thing if Buttigieg said:

“I struggle with same-sex attractions, but as a committed Christian, I do not affirm these desires, act on them, or celebrate them.”
That would be highly commendable.

Instead, he wants everyone to see that “our marriages are just as good as theirs,” even if that means rewriting the Bible and throwing out almost 2,000 years of virtually unanimous teaching on the subject through all branches of Christianity. After all, love wins, and love is love, right?

As for the possibility of a true follower of Jesus practicing homosexuality, Paul addresses this head-on:

“Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.” (1 Corinthians 6:9–11, ESV)
So says the Word of God.

Again, my issue is not with questioning





President Trump’s Christianity. Let God be the judge, and let each of us examine our own lives.

My issue is with a pro-abortion, practicing homosexual who claims to be Christian calling out Trump’s alleged “hypocrisy.”

That, indeed, is the height of hypocrisy, and there is nothing Christian about it.
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Apr 9, 2019 13:28:58   #
Betta
 
Yep, as the bible says many are called but few are chosen. Many profess to believe in God but they believe nothing he says. I know a person who is homosexual, questions God's existence but believes they will be caught up in The Rapture to see their dead homosexual lover again. Amazing.


byronglimish wrote:
Also Matthew chapter (7) is a clear example of who will and who won't be allowed in.

Verses 21 - 23 seems clear that not all who profess are eligible for the Kingdom.

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Apr 9, 2019 13:33:14   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Betta wrote:
Yep, as the bible says many are called but few are chosen. Many profess to believe in God but they believe nothing he says. I know a person who is homosexual, questions God's existence but believes they will be caught up in The Rapture to see their dead homosexual lover again. Amazing.



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Apr 10, 2019 06:12:39   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Not only that, but Buttigieg has been attacking Pence for his Christianity when the VP has said nothing about him.

Pete has long experience with the anti-LGBTQ laws that Pence tried to put into place in Indiana. The public outcry against them caused many businesses to move their operations to other states, even though the laws were ultimately repealed. Pence is noted for his fervent opposition to any LGBTQ rights whatsoever and has been behind much of the anti-LGBTQ regulations and legislation at the federal level since he took office. To say that Pence has nothing against him personally may be true, but the views held by Pence and evangelicals that try to suppress the rights of others is what Buttigieg was referring to. The hypocrisy of waving the flag of charity and tolerance while espousing hatred and suppression of others that do not agree with them is (in my mind) a violation of their faith. WWJD?.If I recall correctly, Jesus said nothing about hating gays and lesbians ... that's all Old Testament stuff. Buttigieg has a point.

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Apr 10, 2019 06:35:47   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
Bcon wrote:
Mr Balmer, This piece is a very accurate description of what is wrong with known sinners, every one of us, criticizing other known sinners. It is not for us to judge but that is the saviors job. You are one hundred percent right with the cinder and log analogy. For Buttigieg, or any other openly gay sinner, or anyone for that matter, to criticize another mans faith is hypocritical.


That's what the law is for, to prevent civil rot. But somehow the SCOTUS discovered 'abortion and sodomy' in the Constitution and now it's the law of the land. They also think that 'separation of church and state' is in it also. In other words, they lie to promote an agenda.

If we don't call out sin, our kids will be forced to share showers and bathrooms with each other. Our children don't belong to the government.

HR-1 will strip Christians, churches, and businesses from having any rights that offend the perpetually offended, perverted protected class who demand their lifestyle be accepted by everyone else.

So we better start calling sin out and making judgments about "behavior" that is and isn't acceptable. If we don't, you haven't any idea how worse it can still become. Instead of saying a teacher and students having sex is wrong, some teachers' unions are now saying it should be legal. God help us! Hopefully, the tide is turning and the pendulum is swinging back with Trump.

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Apr 10, 2019 08:15:49   #
bahmer
 
Peewee wrote:
That's what the law is for, to prevent civil rot. But somehow the SCOTUS discovered 'abortion and sodomy' in the Constitution and now it's the law of the land. They also think that 'separation of church and state' is in it also. In other words, they lie to promote an agenda.

If we don't call out sin, our kids will be forced to share showers and bathrooms with each other. Our children don't belong to the government.

HR-1 will strip Christians, churches, and businesses from having any rights that offend the perpetually offended, perverted protected class who demand their lifestyle be accepted by everyone else.

So we better start calling sin out and making judgments about "behavior" that is and isn't acceptable. If we don't, you haven't any idea how worse it can still become. Instead of saying a teacher and students having sex is wrong, some teachers' unions are now saying it should be legal. God help us! Hopefully, the tide is turning and the pendulum is swinging back with Trump.
That's what the law is for, to prevent civil rot. ... (show quote)


Amen and Amen

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