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Apr 4, 2019 09:32:11   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
alabuck wrote:
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And, just how many indictments were brought against Clinton? How many guilty pleas? How many adjudications? How many findings of guilt?

Plus, I hold zero faith in what comes off of YouTube. It’s been PROVEN to be full of disinformation, put there by the Russians and anyone else who hates the US. So, if you want to use YouTube as your source of info, go ahead. It’s made you look foolish on more than 1 occasion.


Tsk, Tsk, Tsk. Aren't these Russians a bitch? I guess I won't drink any more vodka.

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Apr 4, 2019 10:01:39   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
lindajoy wrote:
Guess then we can say the same with Mueller investigation??? No desired results found there yet listen or read what others are saying~~~ willfull ignorance ???

Yes, L-J, just as the opening line in my original thread post reads..."I dare say that any/all of us are guilty of willful ignorance to some extent or degree."

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Apr 4, 2019 12:45:48   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
alabuck wrote:
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And, just how many indictments were brought against Clinton? How many guilty pleas? How many adjudications? How many findings of guilt?

Plus, I hold zero faith in what comes off of YouTube. It’s been PROVEN to be full of disinformation, put there by the Russians and anyone else who hates the US. So, if you want to use YouTube as your source of info, go ahead. It’s made you look foolish on more than 1 occasion.


If you really want to read fake news just subscribe to OPP.

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Apr 4, 2019 12:59:40   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
dtucker300 wrote:
If you really want to read fake news just subscribe to OPP.

Whatever one considers 'fake news,' it's liable to show up on this forum.

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Apr 4, 2019 13:49:01   #
Fodaoson Loc: South Texas
 
The question of Trump's innocence is still in question until the full report is out. There is a lot of lying going on for some reason. There is some"willful ignorance" in the persecution of Obama. For many, he is guilty of being president while being black. Most will not admit it .

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Apr 4, 2019 15:22:00   #
truthiness
 
CodyCoonhound wrote:
When someone knows that a situation like an ambassador's death is covered up by a President and Sec of State, it is well worth finding out why they felt they must do that.

Thus, in this case, Trey Gowdy felt for sure something was wrong in DC and knew he needed to get control of the information that HRC and OhB were hiding.

In our country, that generally takes an election and an informed voter population. Part of the Federalists papers explains why there is oversight authority in the legislative branch. Trey exercised his authority under the constitution in an attempt (1) to drill down far enough to find this reason and (2) to help inform the population as to potential illegal action in the executive branch and to vote for a situation that would help find the answer.

I would submit that it is not willful Ignorance that creates this divide. Liberals push feelings to define morality and Republicans push facts to define morality in most situations. Thus, if one wants feelings to solve problems, they ignore facts and vice versa. Of course, one behavior does not dominate 100% of the time. Both parties will move back and forth from feelings to facts in an effort to gain majority in the votes of the elected representatives or voting population.
When someone knows that a situation like an ambass... (show quote)


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Like it or not, the decision-making process is independent of party or political persuasion with regard to "facts."
Science tells us that emotions are part of the neurological process of decision making and the process has universal application, not only used when the issue is "to gain majority in votes..."

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/intense-emotions-and-strong-feelings/201012/it-or-not-emotions-will-drive-the-decisions-you
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotions_in_decision-making

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Apr 4, 2019 15:26:28   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Fodaoson wrote:
The question of Trump's innocence is still in question until the full report is out. There is a lot of lying going on for some reason. There is some"willful ignorance" in the persecution of Obama. For many, he is guilty of being president while being black. Most will not admit it .


" There is some"willful ignorance" in the persecution of Obama. For many, he is guilty of being president while being black. Most will not admit it." - Fodaoson

Your liberal biased opinion.

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Apr 4, 2019 15:33:20   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
slatten49 wrote:
I dare say that any/all of us are guilty of willful ignorance to some extent or degree.

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool."—Richard Feynman

"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored."—Aldous Huxley

Willful ignorance is the state and practice of ignoring any sensory input that appears to contradict one's inner model of reality. At heart, it is almost certainly driven by confirmation bias.

Willful ignorance differs from ordinary 'ignorance' — when someone is simply unaware of something — in that willfully ignorant people are fully aware of facts, resources and sources, but refuse to acknowledge them. Indeed, calling someone 'ignorant' shouldn’t really be a pejorative, but intentional and willful ignorance is an entirely different matter. In practice though, the word 'ignorance' has often come to mean 'willful ignorance', and indeed, in many non-English languages, the word based on the same stem ('ignore') actually carries that meaning.

Willful ignorance is sometimes referred to as tactical stupidity.

Depending on the nature and strength of an individual's pre-existing beliefs, willful ignorance can manifest itself in different ways. The practice can entail completely disregarding established facts, evidence and/or reasonable opinions if they fail to meet one's expectations. Often the willfully ignorant will make excuses, claiming that a source is unreliable, suggesting that an experiment was flawed or asserting that an opinion is too biased. More often than not this is simple circular reasoning: “I cannot agree with that source because it is untrustworthy because it disagrees with me”.

In other slightly more extreme cases, willful ignorance can involve outright refusal to read, hear or study, in any way, anything that does not conform to the willfully ignorant person's worldview.

With regard to oneself, this can even extend to fake locked-in syndrome with complete unresponsiveness. Or with regard to others, to outright censorship of the material from others.
I dare say that any/all of us are guilty of willfu... (show quote)

My original thread post is not far removed from a previous statement of mine:

"It often seems that nothing, absolutely nothing, can be said or written to convince zealots from either side of the ideological/political persuasion of facts they absolutely refuse to believe. One may as well attempt pi**ing on a raging forest fire to put it out."

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Apr 4, 2019 16:04:32   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
Fodaoson wrote:
The question of Trump's innocence is still in question until the full report is out. There is a lot of lying going on for some reason. There is some"willful ignorance" in the persecution of Obama. For many, he is guilty of being president while being black. Most will not admit it .


Your "black" president is less than half black.

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Apr 4, 2019 16:09:17   #
Fodaoson Loc: South Texas
 
It often seems that nothing, absolutely nothing, can be said or written to convince zealots from either side of the ideological/political persuasion of facts they absolutely refuse to believe. One may as well attempt pi**ing on a raging forest fire to put it out."
"We should be too big to take offense, and too noble to give it."
true

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Apr 4, 2019 16:14:58   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
Fodaoson wrote:
It often seems that nothing, absolutely nothing, can be said or written to convince zealots from either side of the ideological/political persuasion of facts they absolutely refuse to believe. One may as well attempt pi**ing on a raging forest fire to put it out."
"We should be too big to take offense, and too noble to give it."
true


If you use the quote reply option, your post will be directed properly.

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Apr 4, 2019 17:06:48   #
CodyCoonhound Loc: Redbone Country
 
Fodaoson wrote:
It often seems that nothing, absolutely nothing, can be said or written to convince zealots from either side of the ideological/political persuasion of facts they absolutely refuse to believe. One may as well attempt pi**ing on a raging forest fire to put it out."
"We should be too big to take offense, and too noble to give it."
true


You sir, totally miss the point of our government. The divide is created not because they fight for power. It is because they do not do their job as defined by our Constitution. Trump and current admin fights to bring government back under the law of the constitution.

Thus, anyone that thinks feelings over rule law, is not obeying the law. Those of you that offer wiki leaks or psychology today as proof for anything, are only lowering yourself to law written by the perpetrators or violators of Constitutional Law. Or simply stated, putting the fox in charge of the hen house.

Feelings are not definers of morality or law. Feelings are only someones' effort to persuade based on getting an emotional hook. Leaders need to make tough calls. All the marines on this sight should understand those calls are not all fuzzy love things. They are hard and especially when lives are at stake.

The issue is democrats politicians use emotions to make law. Emotions should only be used to get one motivated to conform to the law of the land.

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Apr 4, 2019 17:30:16   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
CodyCoonhound wrote:
You sir, totally miss the point of our government. The divide is created not because they fight for power. It is because they do not do their job as defined by our Constitution. Trump and current admin fights to bring government back under the law of the constitution.

Thus, anyone that thinks feelings over rule law, is not obeying the law. Those of you that offer wiki leaks or psychology today as proof for anything, are only lowering yourself to law written by the perpetrators or violators of Constitutional Law. Or simply stated, putting the fox in charge of the hen house.

Feelings are not definers of morality or law. Feelings are only someones' effort to persuade based on getting an emotional hook. Leaders need to make tough calls. All the marines on this sight should understand those calls are not all fuzzy love things. They are hard and especially when lives are at stake.

The issue is democrats politicians use emotions to make law. Emotions should only be used to get one motivated to conform to the law of the land.
You sir, totally miss the point of our government.... (show quote)

Cody, please explain if you will, what your post has to do with the one to which you're responding? You seem to have missed the point of what was written. Or, could you have been responding to the signature line erroneously added, "We should be too big to take offense, and too noble to give it."?

I ask, as Fodaoson was quoting my previous post. Oh, BTW, that signature line is from Abraham Lincoln.

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Apr 4, 2019 18:10:34   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
Your "black" president is less than half black.


And more than half Moslem.

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Apr 4, 2019 18:42:13   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
slatten49 wrote:
Yes, L-J, just as the opening line in my original thread post reads..."I dare say that any/all of us are guilty of willful ignorance to some extent or degree."


I read it and took exception!! I’ll have you know I walk on water three days a week now instead of just one.!! So there~~ lololol

Yes, we all are willfully ignorant at times, I’ve certainly had my share...

It’s much easier not to lnow sometimes..~~

In closing ~~

There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.
Issac Asimov

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