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Mar 23, 2014 00:23:58   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
BoJester wrote:
But he was first and foremost a CONSERVATIVE

and lived the conservative lie of racism, bigotry, and homophobia.

Each and every day of his rotten existence


Bo, racism, bigotry and and homophobia are not characteristic of Conservatives.

As I'm sure you know, traditional Conservatism does not incorporate any of these three traits.

Neither are they found in Biblical Christianity.

There are exceptions to most everything, and though Fred Phelps claimed to be both, he unfortunately exhibited none of the virtues of either Conservatives or Christians.

He is now deceased, and awaits the judgement of the one Judge before whom we will all appear.

Attempting to smear all Conservatives through the actions of this deceased man is rather pointless, is it not?

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Mar 23, 2014 08:12:56   #
Artemis
 
ginger wrote:
And no democrats work?



Ignorant comment to the extreme

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Mar 23, 2014 10:06:46   #
BoJester
 
Not really, conservatism supports traditionalism, and many conservatives like to think that any change is social structure is against their core beliefs.

The greatest oppostition to abortion is from conservatives and THEIR religious convictions

Same interracial marriage and off-spring

Same for same sex marriage

Same for religious freedom for ALL religions

The rate of acceptance of these and other social change lags far behind the rest of the population of this country.

A good example is the social structure in Canada, where these issues have become non-issues because of the more liberal attitudes of the citizens




Zemirah wrote:
Bo, racism, bigotry and and homophobia are not characteristic of Conservatives.

As I'm sure you know, traditional Conservatism does not incorporate any of these three traits.

Neither are they found in Biblical Christianity.

There are exceptions to most everything, and though Fred Phelps claimed to be both, he unfortunately exhibited none of the virtues of either Conservatives or Christians.

He is now deceased, and awaits the judgement of the one Judge before whom we will all appear.

Attempting to smear all Conservatives through the actions of this deceased man is rather pointless, is it not?
Bo, racism, bigotry and and homophobia are not cha... (show quote)

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Mar 23, 2014 14:18:05   #
Comment Loc: California
 
Zemirah wrote:
Bo, racism, bigotry and and homophobia are not characteristic of Conservatives.

As I'm sure you know, traditional Conservatism does not incorporate any of these three traits.

Neither are they found in Biblical Christianity.

There are exceptions to most everything, and though Fred Phelps claimed to be both, he unfortunately exhibited none of the virtues of either Conservatives or Christians.

He is now deceased, and awaits the judgement of the one Judge before whom we will all appear.

Attempting to smear all Conservatives through the actions of this deceased man is rather pointless, is it not?
Bo, racism, bigotry and and homophobia are not cha... (show quote)


Bojangles is always pointless!!!

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Mar 23, 2014 14:38:02   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
maelstrom wrote:
This is a forum, since you are the consummate intellectual on OPP I thought you knew what that meant, obviously not. Everyone one has a right to speak their opinion here, you arrogant prig.

when someone does not know how free enterprise works after all these scores of years...you are allowed to say whatever you want. stupidity iz gettin` old.

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Mar 23, 2014 18:02:00   #
Olden McGroen Loc: Texas
 
Btfkr wrote:
Your position was clear the first time. Sorry, it is just wrong. :) The working poor are PART of the cause of the poor economy. How else would you "address" the minimum pay? A strong economy comes from a strong working class, so how would you strengthen the economy? As the article pointed out the min wage increase in WA state did not tank the economy. I don't believe talk of wages is illusionist play. Perhaps the talk against it is.


Let me field this one Duckie....To answer your question, "...how would you strengthen the economy?"....First, you reduce over-confiscatory taxes and overreaching regulation on businesses. Second, you unleash the vast energy reserves we have in this country by, again, reducing taxes, regulation and moratoriums on oil, nat gas & coal. Just this move alone would turn things around and go along way to pull us out of the deep hole we're in regarding debt and deficits. While raising min wage may not hurt some businesses as much, it would cripple most small businesses. The "one size fits all" gov't intervention is, again, NOT a viable solution.

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Mar 23, 2014 18:51:34   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
Olden McGroen wrote:
Let me field this one Duckie....To answer your question, "...how would you strengthen the economy?"....First, you reduce over-confiscatory taxes and overreaching regulation on businesses. Second, you unleash the vast energy reserves we have in this country by, again, reducing taxes, regulation and moratoriums on oil, nat gas & coal. Just this move alone would turn things around and go along way to pull us out of the deep hole we're in regarding debt and deficits. While raising min wage may not hurt some businesses as much, it would cripple most small businesses. The "one size fits all" gov't intervention is, again, NOT a viable solution.
Let me field this one Duckie....To answer your que... (show quote)

these left-wing clones on this website will never understand that. they gave up on the future. alls they think about iz now, now, now.

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Mar 23, 2014 20:01:39   #
Olden McGroen Loc: Texas
 
BoJester wrote:
Not really, conservatism supports traditionalism, and many conservatives like to think that any change is social structure is against their core beliefs.

The greatest oppostition to abortion is from conservatives and THEIR religious convictions

Same interracial marriage and off-spring

Same for same sex marriage

Same for religious freedom for ALL religions

The rate of acceptance of these and other social change lags far behind the rest of the population of this country.

A good example is the social structure in Canada, where these issues have become non-issues because of the more liberal attitudes of the citizens
Not really, conservatism supports traditionalism, ... (show quote)


Wrong again comrade BoBo. This country was founded on Christianity, libertarianism/conservatism and traditional principles and values. These values and principles are tried and true markers as a moral and just compass. Many things change over time, but man's nature does not. These principles are guideposts for man to keep it between the ditches. It's when we abandon these values and principles that we veer off into the ditch.

Moreover, it is the Marxist faction (aka; Progressives) in this country that pushes for "change" in order to push through their destructive agenda. [Yes, that means YOU]

"Right to choose" abortion policy is simply population control. Margaret Sanger, Eugenics and Planned Parenthood. Follow the thread. Bad ending every time.

I apply this point of view: I am pro-life AND pro-choice. Paradoxical? Not when reason is applied. My belief is that "We as Americans should be free to follow our own pursuits as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others."

That being the premise, I believe a woman has the right to choose...but the choice is NOT where the Progressives have "moved the goalpost" to. The choice is not to take a life out of convenience, but whether or not to copulate. Or, whether to copulate with or without birth control. THAT is the choice. If you choose wrong...you don't get to murder an unborn child out of convenience. Pregnant? That's your responsibility. Based on reason, Roe vs Wade is unconstitutional and therefore should be overturned.

"Freedom and personal responsibility" is my creed. If you make bad decisions, you take the responsibility to accept the consequences of those decisions. In the subject of abortion, you shouldn't get a mulligan for your lack of judgment. Therefore, logically, abortion (except in the cases of rape, life-threat of mother, dead fetus...) should not be allowed because it is murder and murder is already against the law. This should also be coupled with NO welfare benefits for able-bodied parents who have kids they can't afford. Welfare should only be for the elderly and truly disabled. Even "disabled" people can work if they want to. The ease of getting welfare and legalized abortions have caused great damage to this country. These policies are simply bailouts for the irresponsible.

Gay marriage? My Christian faith says it's wrong. However, my faith also says that God is the only judge on this topic, not man. Therefore, gay people should be free to marry or be gay or whatever. The fed gov't should not be in the business of legislating morality. Same goes for interracial marriage, and so forth. I don't care what people do as long as it doesn't hurt someone else and I don't have to pay for it.

I'll stop there. If you'd liked to be schooled further on what Libertarians and Conservatives think, just ask.

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Mar 23, 2014 20:30:34   #
Olden McGroen Loc: Texas
 
mcjwelles wrote:
In a word, discretionary income is the engine of this sluggish economy. When people have nothing to spend the economic growth stops. At $10.10 per hour people who have gotten by deciding whether to get groceries, medication or pay their rent/utilities will be instantly spending more money back into our national economy. Business can accelerate once again. Simple. Taxes will increase the nation's ability to balance its budget and- pay into our nation's economy. Simple idea. Without stimulus we would not likely have surfaced yet from the Great Recession- and that is what a living wage is all about.
In a word, discretionary income is the engine of t... (show quote)


Yeah, that almost sounds logical...but not. First of all, minimum wage jobs are not meant to feed a family on. They're entry-level jobs for first time job seekers with no experience (youth) or temporary transitional jobs. Key word "temporary". If you're working in a minimum wage job you fall into one of these categories; Inexperienced (youth), Uneducated/Unskilled (Irresponsible adult), Victim of Obama's economy...but working toward finding a better job. And that's the key. You don't like your wages? Go find a better job. Can't find a better job? Get more education/skills. Few jobs in your area? Move to an area where jobs are more abundant.

Income inequality? Yes, there will always be income inequality. Just like there will always be Education inequality, Skills inequality, Work Ethic inequality, Intelligence inequality (displayed here), Aptitude inequality, Reliability inequality...you get the point.

We are all guaranteed equal rights under the law. We're also guaranteed equal opportunity under the law. That doesn't mean we all start in the same place in life. Life is like a marathon...sometimes you start at the front, sometimes in the middle, and sometimes at the back of the pack...but it's up to you on how you compete and how you finish the race.

No, to stimulate the economy you create more good paying jobs. You do that by unleashing the free market. You do that by reducing burdensome taxes and crippling regulation on business. Thereby, creating an atmosphere in which business can flourish and expand, which will create more jobs, which will put more people to work, which will not only stimulate the economy but also create more tax revenues into the caucuses. A good place to start is in the vast energy reserves in oil, nat gas and coal. Get the fed to take the boot off the neck of those industries and watch the economy soar.

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Mar 23, 2014 22:42:33   #
dtremaine Loc: Escondido,CA
 
Beautiful shot Olden. You my friend have great intelligence and I certainly acknowledge your superior method of expressing yourself. I am a a believer of the commandments, without a belief in organized religion, however at my age of 85 I would suggest a higher power in the nether surely kept me alive. Your words should keep these government loving progressives under their rock.

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Mar 24, 2014 09:07:21   #
BoJester
 
You have an interesting perspective, not necessarily correct however.

The reasons for the constitution can jsut as well be labeled as progressive liberalism. The change from rule by monarch to a democratic form of government was not tradition. In fact, only about 1/3 of the colonists supported the reveolution, and another 1/3 remained loyal to the king. Many of them, the tories, left and went north to Canada to signofy their loyalty. The rest of colonists were apolitical, and looked out for their own interests and waited to see the outcome of the war.

All political philosophies evolve over time. And the definitions mean different things in different countries.

It is safe to say that the majority of people have a variety of opinions on a variety of subjects, some conservative and traditional, some progressive and liberal, and many neutral.

The business of politics is just like any other business. Develope a message and then sell to those who want it.

Throw in personality and money and the game is on.








Olden McGroen wrote:
Wrong again comrade BoBo. This country was founded on Christianity, libertarianism/conservatism and traditional principles and values. These values and principles are tried and true markers as a moral and just compass. Many things change over time, but man's nature does not. These principles are guideposts for man to keep it between the ditches. It's when we abandon these values and principles that we veer off into the ditch.

Moreover, it is the Marxist faction (aka; Progressives) in this country that pushes for "change" in order to push through their destructive agenda. [Yes, that means YOU]

"Right to choose" abortion policy is simply population control. Margaret Sanger, Eugenics and Planned Parenthood. Follow the thread. Bad ending every time.

I apply this point of view: I am pro-life AND pro-choice. Paradoxical? Not when reason is applied. My belief is that "We as Americans should be free to follow our own pursuits as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others."

That being the premise, I believe a woman has the right to choose...but the choice is NOT where the Progressives have "moved the goalpost" to. The choice is not to take a life out of convenience, but whether or not to copulate. Or, whether to copulate with or without birth control. THAT is the choice. If you choose wrong...you don't get to murder an unborn child out of convenience. Pregnant? That's your responsibility. Based on reason, Roe vs Wade is unconstitutional and therefore should be overturned.

"Freedom and personal responsibility" is my creed. If you make bad decisions, you take the responsibility to accept the consequences of those decisions. In the subject of abortion, you shouldn't get a mulligan for your lack of judgment. Therefore, logically, abortion (except in the cases of rape, life-threat of mother, dead fetus...) should not be allowed because it is murder and murder is already against the law. This should also be coupled with NO welfare benefits for able-bodied parents who have kids they can't afford. Welfare should only be for the elderly and truly disabled. Even "disabled" people can work if they want to. The ease of getting welfare and legalized abortions have caused great damage to this country. These policies are simply bailouts for the irresponsible.

Gay marriage? My Christian faith says it's wrong. However, my faith also says that God is the only judge on this topic, not man. Therefore, gay people should be free to marry or be gay or whatever. The fed gov't should not be in the business of legislating morality. Same goes for interracial marriage, and so forth. I don't care what people do as long as it doesn't hurt someone else and I don't have to pay for it.

I'll stop there. If you'd liked to be schooled further on what Libertarians and Conservatives think, just ask.
Wrong again comrade BoBo. This country was founde... (show quote)

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Mar 24, 2014 13:27:43   #
Comment Loc: California
 
cesspool jones wrote:
these left-wing clones on this website will never understand that. they gave up on the future. alls they think about iz now, now, now.


They do and they think: me, me, me. They are poor bastards who, like Obumma, blame the capitalist for their misery.

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Mar 24, 2014 21:46:51   #
ginger
 
maelstrom wrote:
Ignorant comment to the extreme


Oh, I'm ignorant. I read "the tea party are the working class". Only them? The rest of us are nothing?
You people are so one sided, it's unbelievable.
Anyone who doesn't go along with everything you say is ignorant, stupid and a lot of vile names. Drag you head out of you asses, your brain needs some oxygen.

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Mar 25, 2014 18:32:50   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
ginger wrote:
Oh, I'm ignorant. I read "the tea party are the working class". Only them? The rest of us are nothing?
You people are so one sided, it's unbelievable.
Anyone who doesn't go along with everything you say is ignorant, stupid and a lot of vile names. Drag you head out of you asses, your brain needs some oxygen.

the point was that much of the democratic party is composed of well bred college edumacated brain matter that propelled them to so-called-jobs where you don't even break a sweat. yea!!, the tea party is the bulk of the working class!

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Mar 25, 2014 20:03:15   #
dtremaine Loc: Escondido,CA
 
Shame, shame ginger. Such language. Not respectable at all ginger. I simply means you need to join the Tea Partly, it is full of working class families like mine.

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