rumitoid

I am no expert. What I see about hate by God is not loathing but rejection. Take Trump, for example, lol. I do not loath Trump; I really have no feelings for him one way or the other. However, I reject his character as essentially self-serving and antithetical to peace and community. He represents and acts from his own best interests. Just rejection.

When Jesus said, "Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person’s enemies will be those of his own household. Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me" (Matthew 10:34–37).

He was talking about dividing, discerning, "soul from spirit, joint from marrow" (Hebrews 4:12) The soul is worldly, the spirit heavenly. This pertains to Mt10:34-37 in this way: do not let such allegiances of family keep you from spiritual truth. If he was actually preaching to hate his father, he would have sinned against honoring his parents and been justly stoned to death.

Just as in this chapter and verse: "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple." (Luke 14:26) He uses the hyperbole of the word "hate" here to drive home, get shocked attention, how important it is to stay surrendered to the will of God no matter how tempted is the soul for worldly acceptance and gain.

Loyalty is to be only to God, nothing else. Not party, not country, not survival, not family, not anything else. Such a view is rarely seen in mainstream Christianity. Few preachers could fund their churches, mansions, jets, lavish lifestyles, and real estate with such a bleak sermon. The use of the word "Hate" in the Bible is to pound home with extreme clarity that any worldliness is a rejection of God. Any!

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Your view is based on a bad translation. The word that is generally translated as hate is actually "Sane" meaning thorn seed. Hatred was less about an intense confrontational emotion and more about making choices to avoid physical or emotional pain.

rumitoid

That does not make sense. God's hate is to avoid "physical or emotional pain"? I am specifying where the Bible speaks of God's hate. God's hate is not about an emotional confrontation, intense or otherwise; it is pronounced rejection of all that is not righteous. I thought I was clear in my thread on that point. No?

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Right on.. You posted it

Surely not any worldliness though...

Only that which is placed higher than God...

Abraham demonstrated this long before Jesus entered the scene...

Excellent post...

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

I too am Confused...

Why would God need to avoid physical pain?

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

I am so sorry, there are times when I think that other people have studied languages and thereby understand the bible as it was originally presented. Centuries before the common Hebrew block script used today was formed, the language began as a type of pictographic script. This script communicated in shapes and pictures that were its letters, giving each individual letter its own meaning. As these letters formed root words. Then the meaning of the root word is then connected to the meaning of any words that are formed from that root. And it’s the original language of two thirds of the Bible.

Western understanding is based on the common agreement of words and those words are defined in the Merriam Webster dictionary. Hate is defined as "a very strong feeling of dislike; intense hostility." And when the old Hebrew text was translated and given to gentiles, it was translated into Aramaic, Latin, and Greek and the word "sane" became miseo and that is how some people believe that G*d "hates." Miseo means to detest, to pursue hate. And you will find this in: Matthew (5 times), Mark (once), Luke (7 times), John (9 times), Romans (twice), Ephesians (1 time), Titus (1 time), 1st John (5 times), Jude (1 time), and Revelations (1 time). For a total of 37 times in the "Christian" translated bible.

However, the ancient pictographic letters for “sane” are a thorn and a seed. The pictograph is a picture of a thorn, then is a picture of seed. Combined these mean “thorn seed.” The thorn, (the seed of a plant with small sharp points) cause one to turn directions to avoid them.” “The Ancient Hebrew Lexicon of the Bible,” by Jeff A. Benner. ISBN 1-58939-776-2. In Hebrew we understand this to mean "avoid or turn away from." It appears 83 times in the Hebrew bible, in one or more forms and must be taken in context... ergo there are times it appears and should be read as "G*d prefers" or "G*d turns from..."

G*d cannot be dishonest or unjust because that would contradict G*d’s truthfulness or justice. Sometimes our language about G*d is deliberately selective. Saying that G*d hates some people the way that humans give themselves or others permission to hate. When we take His words out of context and cite a passage such as Malachi 1:1-3 or Romans 9:13 to justify our hatred, we are changing the message given to us by G*d. G*d does not hate, but He will turn away from those who cause Him pain.

Before you object and say G*d does not have emotions, the bible makes it clear that He does... consider: G*d feels love (1 John 4:8; John 3:16; Jeremiah 31:3) and turns from those who deny Him or hates Him (Proverbs 6:16; Psalm 5:5; 11:5), jealousy (Exodus 20:5; Joshua 24:19) and joy (Zephaniah 3:17; Isaiah 62:5; Jeremiah 32:41). He feels grief (Genesis 6:6; Psalm 78:40) and He also laughs (Psalm 2:4; 37:13: Proverbs 1:26). His heart is moved by compassion (Psalm 135:14; Judges 2:18; Deuteronomy 32:36).

Now is it clearer?

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Why would I object and say God has no emotions? That would be silly....

So you are agreeing with Rumi's premise?
That God rejects/ turns away from sin...No?

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Yes, I agree that G*d turns away from people who are unrepentant and sinful.... my objection was the use of the word hate. Remember Rumi, I am a computer person, so the devil is in the details.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Ok....
But I am Kyle.... Not Rumi...

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Sorry.... it is hard at times to tell the difference between the two of you. Sorry, my mistake.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Not sure if Rumi will take that as a compliment, but I certainly will...

Personally I find his writing of much more depth than my own... Especially when discussing scripture... Gonna chalk that up to age and experience... Gives me something to aspire to... Though I rather enjoy my style as well...

Mllstd40

Amen

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

So, your concerns on 20 Jan have been put to rest and you have adapted to his style.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Had to go back and reference that....
Ego and a lack of experience...
Such silliness one engages in at times...

Indeed... These past few days (and quite often on scriptural posts) Rumi has been rather elegant in his arguments...

Surely you have noticed?

This thread is a fine example...

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

I have read Rumi's threads for a number of years .... he goes through phases. Sometimes he makes an effort, but he always returns to his true nature. I have come to think of him as the Cuttlefish of OPP....