Hungry Freaks

Wrong, as usual

Department of commerce records show number of people on welfare (TANF, ADC, etc) -12.8 million, or about 4.1 percent of the US population of 311,800,000 (assuming no overlap)

Number of people on food stamps is 46.7 million, or about 14% of the population.

Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance is not "free stuff" it's insurance programs to which citizens have paid into.

She Wolf Loc: Currently Georgia

My idea of class warfare is the fact that the richest people in this country pay little or no taxes. They put their money in off shore accounts. Send American jobs to China and no one complains.

The poor in this country are not the problem, the rich are. Trickle down economy is a joke. Tax the people who have made millions from the work of others. Stop these ridiculous tax breaks for the rich. If they cheat on taxes seize their assets and throw their butts in jail. Exactly as the government would do to you and me.

bna42 Loc: Dixie

"I have yet to see either of these poster comment with any substance, they mainly tear into others and then spend the rest of their time patting each other on the back."

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It seems to be the same on every topic, nothing more than insults and name-calling. I came to this site to discuss issues, try to find common ground, but apparently the country is too divided for rational discussion.

I'm outta here!

Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth

Another who can't handle the truth!

Happy J

So, rich people are the problem.. Now we are getting somewhere. Your idea is to make it less attractive to become rich by taxing those who are rich and then give that money to the poor. Like Robin Hood. So, after a very few years no one will be rich and no one will want to be rich, so then how would you sustain the poor? No rich person would immigrate, because they wanted to be rich and are rich. All the big companies would close up shop because they are owned and run by the rich. If the big companies close up shop or go elsewhere, what will happen to those employees? Add them to the growing un/under-employed. They will need some of that money that you got in taxing the rich, so less of that money to spread over the masses, so deeper poverty. What then? The middle class is now the rich, so how about taking more out of their pay in taxes. A few short years, the now middle class disappears? No one is working and the poor population is now 233 million people all in need. What then? No one is left to tax, no one wants to be the rich, no one wants to create a big business, people will then be reduced to what??????

Hungry Freaks

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It is not the wealthy, but the corporate entity from which wealth arises that's the problem. The corporate entity knows no borders and respects no civil government, except when the corporate entity needs a security force somewhere in the world. Then it calls on the US military.

Gen. Smeadly butler, MSMC once said:

"I spent 33 years and four months on active military service and during which time I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business., for Wall street and for the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster, for capitalism. I helped make Mexico safe for the oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenue in. I helped in the raping of a half-dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers, 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927, I helped see that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. Best he could do is operate his racket in three cities. I operated on three continents. "

"War is a racket,. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest and easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what is seems to be to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the very many. "

"Let the officers and directors and high powered executives of those who profit most in war time, as well as the bankers, speculators, be conscripted-to get $30 a month, the same wage as the lads in the trenches get."

It should be noted that a conservative grouped sued the George W. Bush administration to find out what documents from the National Archeives had been requested by the petroleum task Force headed by Dick Cheney in April 2001. After six years came the answer-detailed maps of Iraq and information about that nation's oil reserves. . In April 2001.

Bush had a stateside posting in the Air National Guard during Vietnam. Cheney got four deferments, saying later that "I had other priorities."

Brian Devon

Thanks HungryFreaks. Great post. I had seen Butler's remarks a long time ago. It should be required reading for all Americans.

Bill Maher is right. This nation needs more cynicism and less gullibility. Then maybe we can learn to not stick our national military nose where it doesn't belong and keep more of our national treasure at home, where it does belong. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Hungry Freaks

PS: I have no problem with the rich. I simply want them to be taxed at the same rate as I am taxed. No more, no less. (I paid 28% this year.)

And, as long as Social Security Payroll Tax is capped at $110,000, keep the money out of the general fund and in the SS Trust Fund, where it's supposed to be. Otherwise, if it's going to be used like general tax revenue, remove the cap and tax everyone on all income at the same rate.

If they want to put the money off shore, let them go live with their money. Wouldn't want to separate them from their money. Let the Caymans military defend US corporate interests.

This could all be cured by a flat tax, but neither party seems to be pulling for that.

Happy J

No argument here. I was addressing she wolf and her claim regarding rich Americans.

Happy J

Again I can agree with a flat tax and leaving our elders alone. Let them be as comfortable as possible in their golden years; they are the ones that changed my diapers, they fed me when I was helpless, and they cried when I got the scrapes and bumps to include broken heart as a teen. No, let the grand and great grands have a wonderful end to their life.

grace scott

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