Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Most people who say that they are looking forward to violence, have never really been in a scary situation.

Have you ever been in fear of losing your life?

PJT

Byronglimish. Yes. Don't like it but then that's part of life and progress. No desire to live in a world that our nutty Dems. Would foist on us.
I know may would regret it but so many would prefer to reign in hell rather than serve in
Heaven.
If worse comes to worse I hope our media phony reporters and moderators reap the whirlwind....add university ivory tower idiots too.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Have you ever been shot at, and I don't mean by BB guns or a mad farmer with rock salt.?

My point is...people of great courage, don't relish deadly confrontation.

I do understand that our nation is in such disrepair, that civil war is being discussed in many blogs, various media outlets and such.

I do not relish the fact that war may become a reality.

When I was a little younger, I got a thrill buzz on violence, and loved to fight, even multiple opponents at the same time.

I have been in situations where even the toughest bastards walking were jumpy.

I don't relish the fact that my sons might be killed or injured in a civil war.

That my grandsons might inherit a third world shifthole nation either.

Don't ever take lightly the mayhem and bloodshed of your fellow citizens.

I'm not your overseer, but reconsider relishing death and destruction.

Common_Sense_Matters

Since I tend to provide facts from reputable sources, yeah, I am pretty sure, much of my sources are straight from government facts sources. That is unless you are one that doubts facts provided from the government.

Common_Sense_Matters

I have actually addressed it with both sides, I just don't see how I can expect those on the left to stop if the right refuses. I have even gotten sucked in to it myself, you can't believe how frustrating it is when you post facts gathered from reliable sources and it gets ignored because it doesn't fit into the poster's narrative, the rhetoric, propaganda, conspiracy theories they are fed daily by their media sources. Things would be so much easier if we all chose to hit media sources closer to center, even if we only hit up those sources that are center-our ideological leaning, center-left for Democrats, center-right for Republicans center-left and right for those that care to look at all perspectives, something that I actually do whether people choose to believe or not. I just think we ALL need to avoid alt-left/alt-right sites as there is far too much mis-information/dis-information/out right lies told on those sites.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

I understand how frustrating it can be... I have been attacked by members of both sides... Not the majority (Unless discussing Trump or Islam) but several who simply cannot be civil...

Opinions are not facts...
Facts can lead to opinions...
I do not have a favorite media source... If I come across a story I find interesting I seek out as many sources as I can find... But I rarely post sources for other members unless asked.

Your opinion is valued... Your anger is not...
When attacked choose to ignore the attacker, or engage knowing that there will be no definitive win...

I have had a member provide me with information that was blatantly doctored... Rather than rub it in his face I merely asked that they read the full article than recomment... Claiming to have read the full article they went on to gloat about being right..
I then posted the full article and asked that they explain how it vindicated them... They went into a rage and started throwing other articles at me... I simply disengaged... End of story...
Although I have noticed that said member no longer engages with me on the forum... And still spouts the same rubbish...

In the past few weeks you have become more and more vitriolic towards the right...
The whole right...

Relax... And spend more time in the General Chitchat section

Seth

And for all that "center" media and aloof points of view, your every utterance seems to take the perspective of the far left.

There was another commenter who, like you, "camouflaged" his leftism with an almost identical brand of pontification, but the homogeneous context of his arguments rendered his persona utterly transparent very quickly.

Don't worry, I have an uncle who is a gated community "progressive," and I've heard it all from him. Same far left perspective delivered in disguise as "impartial, reasonable views."

Whatever floats your boat, I guess.

One thing I like about my fellow conservatives is that we tend to be more plain spoken and less surreptitious about who we are.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

I concur...
Whether in agreement or against, conservatives tend to be more plain spoken and genuine... (in my opinion)

Common_Sense_Matters

If you say so, I post facts, usually gotten from the "horse's mouth", government sites, are you saying actual facts attained from government sites are left leaning? It is true, the facts do tend to contradict alt right propaganda, that doesn't mean is is far left rhetoric, just that facts may support certain "talking points" of the left. I guess we can look at one possible take away from that, perhaps the "left talking points" are based on actual facts. If that is the case, doesn't that give one pause to wonder why your media sources argue against those "talking points"?

I have found many "alt-right talking points" on many right wing web sites that so badly distorted their "facts", facts so easily verified from reliable sources such as government sources for governmental stats, or actual interviews where the alt-right mis-quotes statements from Democrats where you go watch the interview and you see what/where they took comments out of context, they just know their patrons won't fact check them since it is what they want to hear. This is why I recommend getting your information from more centered media sources, you are more likely to get the truth, rather than the rhetoric, propaganda, conspiracy theories and outright lies that many are currently buying into no questions asked.

Seth

Which pretty well describes the left. At leftie blogs, for example, one sees, in the comment sections, scores of "progressives" preaching to the choir, but when a conservative types in a comment it is deleted and the conservative is banned from future commenting.

Go figure.

Common_Sense_Matters

I wouldn't know much about that, I typically don't venture too far into the alt-left, just like I avoid the alt-right. The truth isn't in the alt-left or the alt-right sites, the truth is best achieved from the center-most sources. That is what I have pushed for, the truth, being more centered. Facts and truth should be the goal of any thinking man, we should all know that the further you head into either extreme, the less truth you will find.

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

Facts are arbitrary. I have posted some facts that I was sure were correct and true, only to be called out on them, and then further research proved me to be wrong. I retracted my false "facts". If I'm wrong, I WANT to be called out because I want only the truth. All lefties tell the tale about Trump not trusting the CIA and the FBI. When you just throw it out there, it sounds bad. The thing they fail to mention is that BOTH agencies were actively involved in spying by electronics, by infiltrating Trump's cabinet, all on orders and loyalty to a past president from the opposing party. That changes things. Trump was saying that he could trust Putin more than his own intelligence agencies, because they were working against him. Both statements are true, but the second of these 2 statements turn #1 from a fools jibber, to a man stating that he is well aware of sabotage going on in his shadow by the very agents who are expected to back him without political influence, and that, no, he doesn't trust them. Now, the leftists,concerning this thread, are saying that THEY have the true facts. When you say only that Trump said he trusted Putin but not his intelligence agencies, you are telling only half of the story. Maybe not even half because a past president started it, almost all high ranking officials in the CIA, FBI, and DOJ were involved in it, and add to that, the DNC hired a foreign agent to get a dossier from another foreign agent, namely a Russian. They paid for this false document. A judge granted a FISA even though none of the statements were vetted. Even individual agents were involved in the plot.
I didn't say all this to try to insult ANYBODY on either side of the aisle, but IMHO, these actions were not only illegal, they were treasonous!
Now, there are lots of thing to argue ( or debate) concerning Trump, but this one situation is more than enough to establish a pattern. I believe that there are facts that are reliable to back up my statements. I won't post them because we have all read about it. What I ask the left is this...can any of you prove that I am wrong? If I see your proof, I will retract my statements. If you can't prove me wrong, will you admit it?

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

Ohhh...I don't know about government sources being factual where Trump is concerned. It's pretty far alt left for a sitting president to order an illegal wire tap on a presidential candidate, and for the CIA and FBI to take part in an investigation to take down the president elect, for a judge to issue a FISA on an unproven document obtained from a foreign agent from another foreign (Russian) agent, was paid for by the Democratic party. You won't find any of this on those particular government sources. I got this information from various sources and I trust that it is true. That being said, can ANYONE prove that I'm wrong? Show me your proof. If I'm wrong, I will retract my statements and apologize for spreading false facts.

Common_Sense_Matters

No, we have not ALL read it, many of us avoid extreme bias media sources. Yes, the FBI IS conducting an investigation on Trump, that investigation was not started as a political assassination as you claim, but based on actual concerns that came up during Trump's presidential campaign trail, it stated BEFORE the Steele dossier which regardless what your alt-right media sources told you, was a legitimate investigation conducted by a ex-foreign intelligence agent with an excellent record for discovering the facts, came to light, that investigation wasn't even completed nor any of it's findings released when the investigation into Trump was started. There were legitimate concerns about Trump and his Russian contacts because our country, as with other countries, we keep tabs on known persons of interest, these "tabs" sometimes include listening in on telephone conversations. During normal monitoring of some of these "persons of interest", conversations with the Trump campaign were discovered, likely the reason that Trump went nuts about his assertion that the Democrats had Trump tower phones tapped, because our intelligence community knew things they shouldn't have known if his phones weren't tapped, or in actuality, those that Trump campaign officials were contacting were the ones that actually had their phones tapped by our agencies. That was the trigger for these investigations, NOT the Steele dossier, Not the non-existent line taps on Trump tower phones, line taps on his Russian contact's phone lines.

I recommend trying out these more centered, less far right media sources for actual facts rather than the "facts" your alt-right media sources try to feed you, the stories may be less sensational, but they will be based on actual facts, not rhetoric, propaganda, conspiracy theories and lies. For the news you want (if you want actual truths and facts) would be center-right media, it will give you the Republican lean without all the propaganda.

Seth

These facts are true, have been established. I do believe that somewhere along the line, at President Trump's pleasure, some chickens will be coming home to roost.