Singularity

Thank you, Larry. I guess I see belief as more nuanced and relative. Absolute proofs are for mathematics. For human behavioral decision making there is experience, logic and reason to aid one in deciding between available options. Reports of other's experience, logic and reason related personally or historically can help guide one's thinking and decision making. Group consensus is also valuable. It makes sense to consider carefully the merit of consensually held beliefs and values that are strongly held and upheld by prescription of law and supported by enforced punishment. These issues have generally been encountered and considered carefully by numerous folks with varying success. Consensus often connotes reliability in outcome. Evaluation of factual evidence at hand, trial and error, critical thinking and honest evaluation of outcome... the scientific method if you will.
And change? Oh, yes! New conflicting experience and information must be evaluated and integrated into the belief system if possible, and an entire theory or complete body of information can be proven false at times by single bit of new information.
'Absolutely unchangeable standard' strikes me a barren and lifeless! If someone proves a belief of mine is clearly wrong I will thank them, admit error and change. (Possibly nurse a bruised ego if it was a particularly beloved belief.)
Also different beliefs have varying degrees of importance and relevance. I think in general, the more crucial to our well being and welfare a belief or value is, the more we are prompted to explore and test and consider it. For me, to say, "God did it." seems like lazy thinking and is no more useful than, "I don't know." If magic is allowed, all bets are off. No need to bother trying to figure anything out because magic or gods can arbitrarily suspend reality. Is the experience of suspended reality synonymous with psychotic? I fear the hour is late and I am rambling! My apologies.

Armageddun Loc: The show me state

That translation may be just a little on the informal side but so far so good.

People who are searching will know who you are talking about.

But remember be careful, because when you get to the book of Revelation you will find that First, God blesses those who read that Book.

Secondly, however He curses anyone who would add or take away from what is written.

I would be very careful to follow the script. I wish you well in your tasks, perhaps something will open your eyes to the truth. Stranger things have happened.

migeli

Well did he curse all those people who rewrote it a hundred times, because I guess I will be seeing some designated as saints, in hell.

Armageddun Loc: The show me state

No No my little rebel sheep. Those who wrote the Bible were watched over by the Holy Spirit to make sure there were no errors. That is why you need oversight when you put your New Translation together.

But remember little lost sheep, the Lord is the great Shepherd and his rod and staff will comfort you and bring you into the sheepfold.

migeli

Who was watching over the Holy Spirit if they didnt get it right the first time?what you said makes no sense at all.

Armageddun Loc: The show me state

Well that is normal for you to not understand. Spiritual matters must be understood by spiritual guidence. That is the Holy Spirits job. Once you decide to stop being a rebel sheep and come into the sheepfold then you will be eligilable for the Holy Spirit to guide you. Never fear, God has 2 hounds that will pursue until find the door to the sheepfold. His hounds names are Goodnes and Mercy, they will follow or pursue you all the days of your life.

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

Apparently, nothing you do is monitored by the holy spirit because your sentence structure and spelling errors are repute. 8-)

Armageddun Loc: The show me state

I am so proud of you little sheep, you picked right up on my mistakes. You will make a fine mature sheep one of these days. While you are tiny and playing with the other rebel sheep, you will learn faster than they because you are so smart. So I will give you a lesson: First you should use different terms than nothing, never, always, everyone because those terms are all inclusive. Since you still are a playful learning little rebel sheep, I know you didn't mean to use the term nothing.

Secondly I can't remember baby sheep language, what did you mean by "spelling errors are repute" ?

Thirdly because Bible translating has to be so accurate it took much wiser and smarter and more Holy men than myself to write with such patience and accuracy.

But as I say you are learning, play hard little sheep, each day the Good Shepherd will help you when you get into trouble. I know because I once was like you and He was patient with me and He helped me grow. You will do fine.

Do beware of the rocks and cliffs of life, and don't wander just to far from the rest of the flock. There are lions, and tigers, and bears on your journey of life.

Singularity

Dear Larry,

I'm sorry I was too tired last night to answer your other points but I didn't want your interest in my thoughts to remain unrequited. (LOL)



I disagree. Incomplete theories and hypotheses (educated quesses) even if partly untrue, are still valuable in the prediction of future events and discoveries and in guiding future investigation and thought. I wonder if you are conflating value with ultimate truth? And rules with law?



Civil/Criminal Law legislated by consensus can be changed. Consider Prohibition or Gay Marriage. So do you believe the US Constitution and the civil and penal codes derived from it are of no value? Or are you claiming it is not ultimately based on proven truth because it can be ammended?

Scientific Laws are provable mathematically and are unchanging. This is the closest I can come to describing ultimate truth. Consider gravity.



(I found this part of your post disturbingly bizarre and demonstrably wrong.) I just asked my brother if he thought rape is wrong. He said, "yup." Sorry, he left before I could ask him why he thinks so and before addressing the abortion question, but my sister in law works for an organization dedicated to abolishing abortion. My ex husband believed abortion was the right answer to his 16 year old daughter's unplanned pregnancy. So here is a woman who opposes abortion and a man who supports it.



My standard would be scientifically enlightened self interest tempered by respect for the needs and interests of others. "An' if it cause no ill to another, then do as ye wish."

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

....were you talking to me...evil one...

cant beleve Loc: Planet Kolob

If you spell says wrong as sez I know right off you're not looking at the old manuscripts...... The ancient manuscripts didn't text the good news.....
I believe you want to publish your concept of a God you want.... Not a God of the Israelites.
I won't be purchasing false bibles.... There are plenty already out there in the world....

cant beleve Loc: Planet Kolob

Who are you to call good evil....
And evil good? ...... If you are not receptive then obviously you fit the lost sheep category. But, you will one day come to the realization of a loving albeit jealous,God.
So either you will accept him or reject him. He is patiently waiting. But don't think he will not weep if you choose not to listen. He is only a heartfelt prayer away.

Armageddun Loc: The show me state

Now now don't call names, little sheep just play they don't hurt.

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

First intelligent response you've made, because you've said so much more with fewer words. And revealed yourself as petty and judgmental.

You see that wasn't so hard, hypocrite.

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

oh you of many spelling errors and a few punctuation mistakes...

....you judge as if you sit in his right hand, what do YOU know of good and evil, hypocrite.