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Feb 28, 2019 17:01:42   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Morgan wrote:
I didn't say that about Bob, Rose did, and I don't agree with her, Bob's a good guy!



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Feb 28, 2019 17:06:31   #
Morgan
 
buffalo wrote:
Sorry, I agree with Morgan, most of boob's responses are lame and juvenile.


I believe you meant to say Rose, correct?

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Feb 28, 2019 17:06:54   #
Morgan
 
Bad Bob wrote:



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Feb 28, 2019 17:51:58   #
Gatsby
 
Bad Bob wrote:
https://www.politicususa.com/2019/02/27/u-s-house-approves-expanded-background-checks-for-gun-sales.html

By Amanda Becker
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The U.S. House of Representatives on Wednesday passed a bill that would expand background checks for gun sales to include firearm purchases at gun shows and over the internet, a measure likely to face Senate and White House opposition.

The background check bill, which was approved by a 240-190 vote, is the first gun control measure taken up by Democrats since they regained control of the House in the 2018 congressional midterm elections.

The bill is likely to face opposition when it goes to the Republican-controlled Senate, however. It would also need President Donald Trump’s signature in order to become law.


The White House said on Monday that Trump’s advisers would recommend the president veto the legislation because it would apply “burdensome requirements” that are “incompatible with the Second Amendment’s guarantee of an individual right to keep arms.”
Trump has previously indicated he supported efforts to extend background checks to all gun sales.

“I will be strongly pushing Comprehensive Background Checks with an emphasis on Mental Health. Raise age to 21 and end sale of Bump Stocks! Congress is in a mood to finally do something on this issue – I hope!” Trump tweeted a year ago, after a shooting at a high school in Parkland, Florida, that left 17 dead.

Representative Steny Hoyer, the No. 2 House Democrat, told reporters on Tuesday that Republicans had prevented a vote on a background check bill when they controlled the chamber, and that while there were differences among Democrats about how to curb gun violence, the background check bill had broad support.
“The carnage that we’ve seen perpetrated by gun violence over the last decade has heightened the American people’s concern, and the bill that we’re putting on the floor we believe has the support of 90 percent of the American people,” Hoyer said.

From 2009 to 2017, there were at least 173 shootings in the United States in which four or more people were killed, with at least 1,001 total deaths, according to the advocacy group Everytown for Gun Safety.
Representative Doug Collins, the top Republican on the House Judiciary Committee where the background check bill originated, said on Wednesday that the bill was ineffective because it “foolishly presumes criminals who flout existing laws will suddenly submit themselves to background checks.”


The House is set to vote on Thursday on a second bill that would extend the time it takes to conduct a background check before a gun sale to 10 days from minutes.
https://www.politicususa.com/2019/02/27/u-s-house-... (show quote)


The NICS system is not working as promised, mandatory reporting laws are not being enforced

because Congress refuses to fund the mandated reqirements of their law.

Existing law requires states to report individuals prohibited from firearm possesion do to mental infirmity.

States refuse to provide that information simply because the Congress refuses to pay them to do so.

Courts have sided with the states, Congress must fund the enforcement of laws that they pass!

Several mass shooters have "slipped through the existing cracks" in the reporting requirments.

Not one more new gun law, until the 20,000 gun laws already on the books, are fully enforced!

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Feb 28, 2019 18:21:22   #
Rose42
 
Morgan wrote:
You're still confusing the issue Rose, while I see your point to protect our constitutional rights, your comparison to accidents and shootings are completely off base due to the fact one is on purpose, the other isn't. One is a situation out of control, the other is an issue of a person in complete control. I would use a different example is all I'm saying.

For example, I keep hearing how we can't get control over criminals with guns? Why not? They're not allowed to have them, are our laws not strict enough? Whether you like it or not NYC is one of the lowest rates of gun violence with a city of millions, compared to other cities, what that means is what they're doing...works! Yet other cities are not following suit, why not? One of the country's highest in the states has the lowest population, Alaska, what are they doing wrong?

The same with education, look at what is working, doesn't matter from where, and just do it.
You're still confusing the issue Rose, while I see... (show quote)


To fix education you don't take away teachers or textbooks. You identify root causes of poor education and fix them. Same with guns. The root cause isn't the guns - its the undercurrent of anger in society and the breakdown of the family unit.

Suicides are on the rise and there are far more suicides than homicides with guns.

"...most gun deaths are the result of suicide. In 2016, the last year for which the CDC provides numbers, 22,938 people committed suicide by firearm, while 14,415 people died in gun homicides. Historical data shows it’s been this way for a while:"

https://www.vox.com/2015/10/1/18000510/gun-suicide-homicide-comparison

You can't deny people's constitutional rights just because guns make you uncomfortable. Open the door to that and it opens the door for compromises on other constitutional rights. It's like censorship from Google/Youtube and Facebook. People overlook it because it usually doesn't affect them. They are getting used to the idea. Step back and look around. The groundwork is being laid for hate speech laws. It won't happen overnight. But remember when nothing was ever labelled hate speech. Now we have organizations such as the SPLC rating more and more organizations inappropriately as 'hate groups'.

As for doctors deciding who's mentally stable - what doctors, what are the criteria? Who decides exactly what those are and how can it be guaranteed that its accurate? Do you honestly think someone intent on killing people with a gun won't be able to fool doctors?

We have background checks now. Government can't be trusted to do what's right. We have existing laws that should be enforced rather than overlooked.

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Feb 28, 2019 18:29:50   #
Rose42
 
Morgan wrote:
Obama may have been personally anti-gun but he was NEVER going for a gun grab, he was president for eight years and nothing of that caliber ever came up in a bill. Check his bill record. He knew that that would never fly, but still the rhetoric flew around, not from him.


There was rhetoric from him not just around him. He was too smart to do a gun-grab. One of the things he did do was ban lead ammunition which rightly got overturned. That would have made it far more expensive to buy ammunition. Smart move to chip away at a right.

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It must be in human nature not to be curtailed, but sometimes it is for the best when it comes to protections. The Bald eagle, for example, was once almost extinct. We all need to just stay reasonable, and hold off on accusations. No one is listening to the other, each side is only yelling at the other, we all need to stop and listen to the other and not misinterpret.


Think of it this way - by denying people the right to own guns you're also denying them the right to defend themselves. There are no stats on that which is too bad. A gun is just a tool. There are some things that can't be compromised on and that is our rights. We have enough laws. We don't need more surveillance or restrictions. Thats how the republicans ushered in the Patriot Act after 9/11. They capitalized on people's fear.

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Mar 1, 2019 06:13:59   #
Texas Truth Loc: Behind Enemy Lines
 
Morgan wrote:
Hey Bob, I sure like you


you can have him. Sweep them off his feet and take him away. Please

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Mar 1, 2019 06:45:44   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
Morgan wrote:
I believe you meant to say Rose, correct?


Yes, my bad!

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Mar 1, 2019 07:00:44   #
valkyrierider Loc: "Land of Trump"
 
Bad Bob wrote:
https://www.politicususa.com/2019/02/27/u-s-house-approves-expanded-background-checks-for-gun-sales.html

By Amanda Becker
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The U.S. House of Representatives on Wednesday passed a bill that would expand background checks for gun sales to include firearm purchases at gun shows and over the internet, a measure likely to face Senate and White House opposition.

The background check bill, which was approved by a 240-190 vote, is the first gun control measure taken up by Democrats since they regained control of the House in the 2018 congressional midterm elections.

The bill is likely to face opposition when it goes to the Republican-controlled Senate, however. It would also need President Donald Trump’s signature in order to become law.


The White House said on Monday that Trump’s advisers would recommend the president veto the legislation because it would apply “burdensome requirements” that are “incompatible with the Second Amendment’s guarantee of an individual right to keep arms.”
Trump has previously indicated he supported efforts to extend background checks to all gun sales.

“I will be strongly pushing Comprehensive Background Checks with an emphasis on Mental Health. Raise age to 21 and end sale of Bump Stocks! Congress is in a mood to finally do something on this issue – I hope!” Trump tweeted a year ago, after a shooting at a high school in Parkland, Florida, that left 17 dead.

Representative Steny Hoyer, the No. 2 House Democrat, told reporters on Tuesday that Republicans had prevented a vote on a background check bill when they controlled the chamber, and that while there were differences among Democrats about how to curb gun violence, the background check bill had broad support.
“The carnage that we’ve seen perpetrated by gun violence over the last decade has heightened the American people’s concern, and the bill that we’re putting on the floor we believe has the support of 90 percent of the American people,” Hoyer said.

From 2009 to 2017, there were at least 173 shootings in the United States in which four or more people were killed, with at least 1,001 total deaths, according to the advocacy group Everytown for Gun Safety.
Representative Doug Collins, the top Republican on the House Judiciary Committee where the background check bill originated, said on Wednesday that the bill was ineffective because it “foolishly presumes criminals who flout existing laws will suddenly submit themselves to background checks.”


The House is set to vote on Thursday on a second bill that would extend the time it takes to conduct a background check before a gun sale to 10 days from minutes.
https://www.politicususa.com/2019/02/27/u-s-house-... (show quote)


What the hell are the Democrats thinking. I already have to have a background check done every time that I buy a gun at a gun show and if i buy a gun off the internet it has to be sent to a Class III dealer and I have to go through a back ground check to get it even though I have already paid for it. It is a stupid redundancy law and should not pass.

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Mar 1, 2019 07:16:08   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
valkyrierider wrote:
What the hell are the Democrats thinking. I already have to have a background check done every time that I buy a gun at a gun show and if i buy a gun off the internet it has to be sent to a Class III dealer and I have to go through a back ground check to get it even though I have already paid for it. It is a stupid redundancy law and should not pass.


Too bad ain't it.

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Mar 1, 2019 07:29:13   #
Liberty Tree
 
Bad Bob wrote:
Wacko bull shit.


Over 60 million unborn children versus how many by guns? You are the one too full of BS to face truh.

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Mar 1, 2019 07:31:55   #
Rose42
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Over 60 million unborn children versus how many by guns? You are the one too full of BS to face truh.


Don't confuse Bob with truth. He's here to troll and post silly pictures.

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Mar 1, 2019 07:32:24   #
Liberty Tree
 
woodguru wrote:
Don't conflate the two, one issue at a time... the two have nothing to do with each other


They have everything to do with each other, but you are too self blind to see it or face the truth.

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Mar 1, 2019 07:44:15   #
Liberty Tree
 
Rose42 wrote:
Don't confuse Bob with truth. He's here to troll and post silly pictures.


And promote his high priestess Rachel Madcow

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Mar 1, 2019 07:44:54   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Rose42 wrote:
Don't confuse Bob with truth. He's here to troll and post silly pictures.


Just for Rose.



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