old marine Loc: America home of the brave

From another Marine that is a high a compliment.


Semper Fi brother.

JoyV

The truth is what your leaders say it is. Not what you can see for yourself.

Iran nuclear ballistic missile treaty working?
https://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/cns-iran-missile-and-slv-launch-database/
https://www.efe.com/efe/english/world/iran-confirms-recent-missile-test/50000262-3839233
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-iran-satellite/iran-satellite-launch-fails-after-us-warning-idUSKCN1P90IJ

https://www.unitedagainstnucleariran.com/whats-wrong-with-iran-nuclear-deal?gclid=Cj0KCQiA5NPjBRDDARIsAM9X1GKAcNzHXkJhY5OoCUXzDNbr-eEgtejIKnhlm45F9KF8UmmaQ8OOgLAaAt6MEALw_wcB

fullspinzoo

Well, I have gained some renewed respect for you just on your belief system. But your assumption of alt-right and white supremacy BS is just far fetched. One of my favorite proverbs which is actually not from the Bible is, "Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, but if you teach him how to fish you will feed him for a lifetime." That's exactly what Trump is doing. He's not giving you a handout, he's giving you the pole or the tools to fish for a lifetime. Your abortion stance is still far off the mark for a Christian. Who is sticking up for the rights of that unborn child in the 8th or 9th month. That unborn child has nobody fighting for HIS/HER rights. And you call yourself a humanitarian, WOW/ So infanticide how come that's not up to the mother? but 8th or 9th month is A-OK. Babies have been born pre-mature as much as 6 or 7 months and been just fine. I'm shocked that you are a man of faith (very happy about that) One more point, this President has surrounded himself with Pastors like Jerry Falwell Jr, Pastor Scott and prominent black leaders like Bruce Levell and Henry Davis. But my point is who did Barack surround himself with, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, a guy infamous cried out, "God Damn, America" and that was Obama's "headline". Obama and Rev. Wright were on the same page. Of course, Obama DUMPED him as soon as he realized the Rev. would be bad for image as a candidate. Do you really think, whether it's right or wrong, that Hillary had one ounce of 'spirituality' in her? And I'm not judging but just asking from your perspective. Perm, I don't know if you're black or white and it really doesn't matter, but should quit labeling people as white supremists. or alt-right (I had to look up the meaning). Now that's pretty narrow-minded. as a so-called Christian I would think you would give somebody (including DJT) the benefit of the doubt. So far off the mark. I've listened black pastors, world reknown black world leaders tell the truth about this man. So, maybe YOU are the one listening to the CRAP!!!!! If even I listened to CNN on a constant basis I might be indoctrinated. On second thought, probably not.

fullspinzoo

Some day maybe we'll have to have a "beer summit".

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Spin,, Thanks, I think...

Wright was not part of Obama cabinet..

Hillary was never a very likable person.. but she was the far better choice.. Iwas never a Hillary fan..

My determination of trump was from his own comments sometime in the 80s. from an article in Readers Digest... It was the same style of self praise and glorifying we hear today..

In the interview, he declared he was smarter and knew more then all the other investors in Manhattan property and that one day he could own it all if he wished..

blah blah blah ... same as now...

then one day in Mpls for a final four game, or playoff, he was about 20 ft from me with a cluster of bout half dozen or so.. talked over all of them, walked off expecting them to follow as they did.. all around lack of consideration for whoever those men were..

So I have never changed in my low opinion of the man..

Now I have to go fight the huge ice dams which have formed on my roof..

So you have a good day and while we do want much the same thing for our county..

I think we have a long long road to agreeing on much..

Have a nice one..

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

LOL.... sounds like a plan....

JoyV

Public meetings are not where deals are negotiated, but where the already negotiated deal is publicized. To get anything accomplished, closed door meetings are necessary.

And have YOU read the green new deal resolution? It starts of with a list of assertions presented as facts which are unconfirmed by science. In the middle it asserts that the economic disparities which were widening under socialist programs are still widening, despite documentation to the contrary. It ends with comparing the economic gains brought about by WWII without mentioning its job expansion and wage increase was due to industrialist expansion, and wants to curb and even reduce businesses while creating new jobs with taxpayer funding and equating that with the economic gains during and after WWII. It credits the gains both to WWII and FDR's New Deal without including that his new deal created jobs but NOT economic improvements as the money for those jobs came from taxpayers, with the attendant siphoning into politician and administrators pockets along each step of the way! Nor does this resolution make any attempt to say how much these programs will cost!!!!

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-resolution/109/text

Climate change.

The accepted theory is that human created carbon emissions create a greenhouse effect which raises the earths global temperatures. I the last decade the US has reduced carbon emissions far more than most countries, but the increase by other countries (especially China and India) has pushed worldwide carbon emissions far higher than they were in the 90s. Yet in the past few years global climate has been cooling, NOT warming. The Pacific Ocean, which is monitored extensively, has cooled more than 1 degree. Scientific studies in Antarctica which were initiated to measure the rate of ice plates thinning, instead found ice plates were thickening. Satellite imaging shows the polar cap has increased. Ice break-up in the north has been coming later and starting earlier in the last few years.
https://earthdata.nasa.gov/user-resources/sensing-our-planet/unexpected-ice

JoyV

Allowing a baby to die after birth (even if the birth was during a failed attempted abortion) is NOT an abortion. And yes, this has been proposed!
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.908.5456&rep=rep1&type=pdf

Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam during discussion of abortion bill stated,
"If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen," he continued. "The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother."

The right supports the weak and powerless by giving a hand up in becoming stronger and more powerful. The primary way in the US is by created a business friendly environment where the existing businesses expand and new businesses start thereby creating more jobs. The left by taxpayer funded programs which are designed in such a way as to encourage dependency on the government. At the same time, Americans are inundated with patronizing language which paint minorities as being incapable of helping themselves, and language which identifies those who have achieved success as the enemy to be hated. Being of an identified minority (both an American Indian and a woman), I find the patronizing attitude I am inundated with from the left to be VERY offensive!!!! I am every bit as capable and intelligent as those who are white. I went to college and majored in Animal Science, while dabbling in several other sciences. I have started my own business which limped along under Obama and nearly folded, but now I am making triple what I made under Obama. I have traded in my old clunker for a Subaru Outback manufactured in the USA.

As for climate change and the Green New Deal, check my previous post in this thread. Global climate is cooling not warming based on documentation from NASA monitoring and NASA and other respectable climatology studies.

MarvinSussman

FREE LUNCH!

Currently, over 75% of applications for military service are rejected for reasons of health and/or education. The cure? Free Lunch! Finance patients and students like we finance soldiers: within the defense budget (where costs vanish!), with enough accountants, auditors, and sheriffs to cut out waste, fraud, and abuse. (Yes! American families should still be able to buy their own health care and education in a totally free market, independently of any government program!)

For our defense, we need totally free healthcare for all and expense-paid education up to PhD! Cost? Other nations have government-financed healthcare and education with costs lower than those now saddled upon our young and old. With inflation controlled by the Fed and by federal income tax, we can indeed afford all our needs! Any federal tax increase will be trumped by the increased deficit spending (which is our annual after-tax savings, equal to our imports plus the annual net increase in our domestic bank savings!) Deficit spending = foreign goods + cash!

Yes! After-tax savings do indeed bring prosperity! World War II spending gave us our suburbs and 30 years of prosperity. Spending on the Marshall Plan, Korean War, Cold War, NASA, nuclear energy, Vietnam, etc., also contributed to post-war prosperity. Ask your grandmother!

Federal debt? As explained* by Ben S. Bernanke, Princeton economist and former Fed Chair, the Fed, with Congress’ OK, can buy the federal debt directly from the Treasury! No problem!

With Social Security numbers identifying individuals, computers can manage everything with minimum personnel. Congress can negotiate prices and fees for all goods and services, pay everyone their just worth, and never ever send a bill for service to a patient or to a student!

Yes, there will be growing pains! Education may already have the necessary resources but healthcare will suffer scarcities, especially dentists and rural hospitals/personnel. Until the system matures, shortages will require a program of triage to set priorities and minimize the waiting. So, “Free Lunch” healthcare will have to be implemented gradually while waiting for the graduates of “Free Lunch” education to fill the gaps in medical service! Better late than never!

So, let’s start now by extending Medicare to children up to age 19 and to all students. With their good health, we need only beef up the current system. Then, let’s annually increase the entry age by two years (age 19 to age 21) and decrease the entry age by two years (age 67 to age 65). When possible, annually increase/decrease by three or more years, until EVERYONE has current Medicare. Then, cancel all private health insurance and declare all healthcare and all education, with neighborhood nurseries, day-care, and Pre-K, to be totally free, cradle to grave!

Within ten years or so, if we can educate and build like China, there may be enough medical resources for slack to appear. By then, there should also be no more skilled labor shortages. And much of our huge prison population could and should be trained to care for sick and old.

Totally free healthcare for all and totally free education at all levels, with just enough taxation to prevent harmful inflation, will increase deficit spending (after-tax savings!) and prosperity! Dump all the deficit hawks! Elect Social Democrats! Make America REALLY Great and Totally Free!

*https://www.brookings.edu/blog/ben-bernanke/2016/04/11/what-tools-does-the-fed-have-left-part-3-helicopter- money/
© 2018 Marvin Sussman. All rights reserved. Search: YouTube.com for Marvin Sussman!

Bcon

According to your upended way of thinking, Trump could never negotiate the way your idol, Obama did. This is only more of your really delusional thinking. In case you are unaware, delusions are a sign of mental illness. Get help, please, before you really go off the deep end.

Bcon

Trump is being smart. If he acquiesced to far left democrat demands, they would impede any possible progress that he could make. He knows that they are there only to stop any progress that can be made, even if their actions would be to the detriment of America. No one should ever trust the democratic congress to be for America. Everything they do is to stop any progress, atypical democratic action.

Bcon

Maybe they are planning a long tube on the ocean floor.

Bcon

And this will only cost $93,000,000,000,000. All done before we lose the earth in twelve years. Pocket change. Hell, every family should be able to come up with their share. Oh no, I forgot that fifty percent pay no taxes, so that will double the cost for each family. Hell, we should be able to do that. Why not? Typical libtards thinking.

Bcon

Some people that wear their religion on their sleeve,are Christians in name only. If they run into any opposition to their thinking by any pastor of a church, they leave because they want no disagreement to what they choose to believe. I personally believe a persons relationship with God, is very personal, and I don’t believe we really need a middleman to show our faith. Everyone to their own choosing. The different churches, who proclaim to all worship the same deity, all have different ways of showing it. I don’t believe that anyone’s deity, would approve of murder, in the womb, or out. We are here to give life, not take it.

Bcon

You talk a good game, but why don’t you acknowledge any positive actions that came from this presidents administration? You can’t tell me that nothing he has done benefits America. You know that we are in better shape, economically as well as being respected by other countries, than we have been for years. If you deny that, it proves that you are wearing a special kind of liberal blindness.