L8erToots

If anything, Trump is a believer in the free market and supply and demand. I agree that he has an education plan in mind, but has to first create a demand for the types of education needed in this country again (you don't put the carriage before the horse). Trump has created a huge need in this country for a resurgence of hard working, blue collar workers as well as a need for STEM based workers. The choice for the American people will be to either have faith in American students and overhaul our educational system or to import more foreign workers (legally) to fill those jobs. We should choose wisely.

Seth

Well said.

Tug484

One proof of that is AOC.
The dumbest woman I've ever heard.

Seth

Yeah, and she's even now defending her total lack of knowledge on "how things work" in the aftermath of costing N.Y. the Amazon deal.

Dumb is even worse when it doesn't know it's dumb.

Tug484

Absolutely.

kemmer

Charter schools can pick and choose which students to accept, and can boot out any problems.

Seth

Yes, and by weeding out the non-serious and disruptive students, found in large supply in public schools in minority, particularly black inner-city neighborhoods, they can get down to business and really educate.

Democrats' real reason for oppositing charters is that part of maintaining the black vote is keeping as many as possible uneducated so they swallow the identity politics more easily, staying on the reservation. Educated people are more likely to be able to think for themselves, and if there is anything Democrats can't stomach it's people who think for themselves.

kemmer

Nuh-uh. You’re advocating the end of free public education for all. Only the cream will be educated if you have your way. The more uneducated people, the better for demogogues like Trump.

Seth

In a word, bullshit.

One of the many factors involved in the failure of "inner city" schools is the identity politics. Disruptive "students" from myriad single parent families who abuse drugs or simply have no respect beat up other students and even teachers and don't even get suspended because it would be "racism."

They turn the schools into free-for-alls so that those children who want to learn and get out of poverty don't stand a chance.

The charter schools offer those who are serious about an education to get one.

I'll also point out that the main reason they can't take more students is space. In large, "liberal" run cities where developers and well heeled unions rule the roost (yes, there is much more corruption afoot in cities and states run by "progressives," a sad state of affairs, but there it is) the politicians sing for their supper by denying charter schools the classroom space they need, because those teachers' unions' bucks come in real handy, just like the baksheesh from developers who need lots to build condos on.

So yeah, the all-or-nothing attitude of you portsiders needs to play second fiddle to the more humane idea of salvaging as many futures as possible within the boundaries of what we have to work with.

I have no clue as to how much you get out, but I've always been a "see for myself" kind of guy rather than one whose opinions are based on theory or the words of so-called "opinion makers." I talk candidly with a wide variety of people, and spent a good part of my younger years working at such diverse endeavors as Coast Guardsman, tugboat deckhand, retail manager, warehouse manager, bricklayer, mass production coffee blender, Wall Streeter (commodities), handyman, casino security supervisor, etc. One meets a good cross section of humanity and gets a good feel for people, to say nothing of hands-on reality and human nature when one leads such a diverse working life.

Later, running my own security business, I occasionally got some good glimpses into the darker side of human nature, including some very real threats to public safety and our form of government that you "liberals" force the rest of us to welcome to America in the name of "diversity" or some such silliness.

Perhaps it's all that life experience that has made me so aware of the threat you and the people who tell you what to think pose to our great country, you by your vote, them by their total control of your "opinions."

kemmer

Congrats on a life of jack-of-all-trades, I OTOH, have taught at inner city and “ghetto” schools for 34 years. Been there done that.
Thanks for sharing.

Seth

So you were part of the problem, then. That answers a lot of questions.

Is there anything else you'd like to confess, while you're being uncharacteristically honest for a "progressive?"

-- "C'mon, 'fess up!"

kemmer

Judging from your posts, you wouldn’t understand. Sorry.

Seth

Actually, I have a friend in NY who used to teach high school in Harlem, and he pretty much filled me in on his experiences, trials and tribulations, so I know something about it.

I also know that a) the teachers'unions are opposed to charters for purely monetary (their own) reasons, and b) if they have any concerns about certain kids being excluded due to space or whatever, it hardly justifies the "fairness" excuse when it means "better none than some" in something as vitally important as education that will lift young people out of the ghetto.

You can't possibly be that cold blooded and want to teach, so please do explain -- I'm a very quick study.

When I hear "you wouldn't understand," I figure it means there's really no explanation that wouldn't mind portray the explaner in a bad light.

Please explain where I'm wrong, and also why you don't believe that salvaging whatever numbers we can through charters, rather than have a more homogeneous failure record, would be less "fair."

teabag09

The Rebubs for the most part aren't much better than the dems because both are more interested in their own personal wellbeing and not the American people. As far as education goes, my Mother was a teacher for 40 years. Towards the middle of the years of her tenure, after the "GREAT SOCIETY", I occasionally went to her school and visited her classroom to instill in the students that she was going to be safe because if she wasn't neither were they. I never said a word, just made a presence.

Years before when I was in school we never fought in school or on the grounds, we took it else where. That changed during the 70's and 80's and I blame that on the people my age who created so much discontent and those are the same people who dominate and lead the democrat party today. My 5-1 Mother would get in between 6' animals to break up fights in the halls. My presence let them know to stop when she stepped in between and take it up later if they wanted.

WCS, you have it wrong. I do blame both sides but it is the radicle left from the 60's/ democrats who are forcing the downfall of our Country starting with the Education System. Marx and Engles and Lenin subscribed to that is the best way to overtake an ideology.

I understand your argument but you are wrong, in this case for our Country and our kids. The Education system is totally broken as far a our students advancing as far as the world is concerned. The Education System is working just fine, humming along, if your goal is to indoctrinate the students into uneducated applicants for the slavery of the Utopia of the left. Mike

Wonttakeitanymore

Bill gates promoted common core! Nuf said