woodguru

With all the crying and whining about voter fraud, discussions about election integrity results in silence, the white house for some unexplained reason squelched a bipartisan funding and upgrades bill to address election security and integrity.

I get the distinct impression that the right doesn't want secure elections, systems that can't be hacked or adulterated and miscounts that can't be recounted because there are no hard backups.

Red controlled states have several that refuse to upgrade their systems to the standards most other have brought their systems up to. We hear the same problems over and over, these GOP controlled states obstruct recounts even if their systems have the capability to do a recount, which they often don't. Michigan has the stupidest recount laws on the planet, if the vote tally doesn't match the votes cast no recount can be done, which is completely backwards. A discrepancy is what should trigger a recount.

I am 100% for addressing all voter and election fraud issues, and don't understand how the right can refuse to want something done when problems surface. North Carolina's GOP is still trying to play games to sweep their election fraud under the carpet and make it go away like they have been doing for years. But to have a few states with antiquated systems that cannot insure election integrity is absurd.

Liberty Tree

Funny how you always mention North Carolina with a procedural problem in one district, but you care nothing about the fraud in the whole state of California. You only want to stop alleged fraud in places where Democrats lose.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

If, as you claim, conservatives are rejecting an improved updated defense against voter fraud, then the only conclusion, a reasonable person can make, is that they have detected an extremely disagreeable effluvium hiding within the text. The last thing progressives will ever seek, as long as we possess a right to vote, is scrupulous elections.

woodguru

Actually yes I have, and finding multiple or other problems does not negate any other one. Every time I try to discuss North Carolina and what went on the right responds with a "what about California, that was worse".

I have yet to see someone on the right engage in the problem in North Carolina, it's an easy one, some pretty hardcore election fraud took place, not allegations that can't be proved, but hard cold busted. The people involved should be facing long jail terms, not having the GOP fight to make it go away with nothing done.

The GOP is throwing allegations around in multiple key states that can't be proved, and the right puts more weight on that than cases where we have proof and something needs to be done.

woodguru

But why won't the right upgrade and make election systems more reliable so we don't have to question results? If the GOP refuses to fix questionable systems they aren't hiding a progressive agenda, it's the GOP that has a reason for wanting the systems that can be fraudulent.

Bipartisan work was done on funding needed election system security and upgrades that the white house rejected.

One can only arrive at the conclusion that there is fraud in some key states that refuse to make it to where there can't be. I think we are going to see a lot of system upgrading that prevents election and voter fraud. Both sides should be supporting comprehensive fraud measures.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

The left will never stand for a voting system that cannot be defrauded. They've been stuffing ballot boxes longer than they've been stuffing turkeys and each other.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

I agree with you... elections should be standardized across the nation and each state should be making every effort to use the $380 million in grant funding to upgrade their equipment. I do not believe this will address all the issues, especially those which are being reviewed by the state elections board in North Carolina. Those issues centered around mail in or absentee ballots. See downloads.

This is not just a NC problem, but seems to be an issue across the nation. So severe that some states are considering laws about not accepting mail in ballots on the day of election (see Arizona) or counting any vote not received by the deadline. Indeed, instead of making voting more secure, 37 states have adopted, according to Democrat Voting Rights: "We adopted the boldest and most pro-voter platform in history — calling for expanding early voting and vote-by-mail, implementing universal automatic voter registration and same day voter registration, ending partisan and racial gerrymandering, and making Election Day a national holiday." https://democrats.org/issues/voting-rights/ And I agree with their policy. What I find difficult to wrap my mind around is how they intend to secure those votes from tampering. How can another McCrae Dowless be prevented from sending his personnel out to collect those ballots and presumably changing or trashing them.

Of course there is a piece of technology that could do this.... a scanning device that would record the ballot on the spot and return a real time count to the district. UPS has been using this style of tracking device for years to track the exact time of delivery and takes a photo of your package on your property. Simple modifications could be made that is not expensive and would be much more secure from tampering. And this software could perform a cross reference with names/address of those who vote in person.

Using this style of tracking has been rejected not by Republicans, but by Democrats who think voting rights would be infringed upon. Their objection is the elimination of "voters" without permanent address in the state they wish to cast the ballot. They object, saying that homeless people would be disenfranchised because the states considering this method would also scan or photograph identification to ensure only legal voters are given the opportunity to cast ballots.

As you can see, the problem with voter or election fraud goes much deeper than just upgrading equipment. The problems boils down to unscrupulous humans who are determined to see their officials ascend to offices where their agenda can be fulfilled. How do we control these people? Equipment as I mentioned will go a long way, but is only affective if paired with a means of identification..... even the homeless have identification for obtaining relief measures offered by the state and those who do not claim benefits, well they are highly unlikely to vote... they live 'off the grid.'

I have an open mind, so I hope you will respond to this with naming the states that refuse to upgrade equipment. I also hope that you can propose a solution.

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Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

tluna

have Nancy and chuck implement the Voter ID system

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Why won't the left agree to voters having a valid photo ID to prove they are who they claim?

Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas

Pelosilini n' Schumer don't believe their criminal slave minions need a real ID...Just many many fake ID's

woodguru

Did you see anything about the hearings going on? The guy contracted to do the ballot harvesting had a step daughter working for him who is testifying against him. She turned in a note telling her to simply plead the fifth and not say anything.

woodguru

The left has no problem with that, signature matching done on a subjective basis is another idiotic thing that is stupidly unnecessary when showing an ID. Like the signature matters when showing a valid ID

woodguru

The issue is about upgrading machines and systems that are subject to fraud.

woodguru

It isn't dem controlled states that refuse to upgrade their systems to a better standard that can be recounted when necessary.