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Feb 17, 2019 20:27:22   #
rumitoid
 
jimpack123 wrote:
Very well said We are a Social Democracy. WE are a hybrid ever changing ever evolving I do not believe that we are a true republic anymore. not for a long, long, time


Agreed.

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Feb 17, 2019 23:06:16   #
rumitoid
 
woodguru wrote:
Understanding issues requires understanding the sides of an equation, meaning what matters to the people involved. If you can't understand where the other person is coming from you can't take their perspective into account and arrive at things that work.

Religious views have topics that have total impasses with hard liners, if and when they can't give there is no solution and that causes religiously inspired wars.

There are huge numbers of christians, people who are very spiritual, who personally do not agree with abortion, it is not for them. But their correct position is that it is not their position to push the government into telling people what to do, that the government is not in the religious principles business of jamming beliefs down other's throats that do not believe the same things.

Politics has gotten there, just like a religion that those who believe seem to think that they have to go along with the list of beliefs the party is subscribing to. Facts no longer matter when there is a list of set policies to believe in and uphold.

People can go along for months or years being very much an honored member of a hard right or left site, and when they disagree with their group on one topic they are viciously attacked and served notice that this is a betrayal to the group as a whole, and more often than not it won't be tolerated.
Understanding issues requires understanding the si... (show quote)


I had a great deal of further comments to make on this topic but you have totally nailed it and more. Wonderful stuff. You have a good mind and character.

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Feb 18, 2019 08:56:56   #
Morgan
 
woodguru wrote:
There is no shame in ignorance, and knowing you are ignorant is the first step to learning what you don't know. Stupidity is where an ignorant person thinks they know everything they need to about the subject, and is too stupid to be willing to pay attention to the realities.


I agree, but I believe some people are afraid to admit it for fear of old fashion ridicule by others, when it is the people who are offending who should be the ones carrying the shame. You're also correct on facing the realities of the facts, but that isn't stupidity but more towards the unwillingness that you mention and obstinance which then is completely out of our control,lol. All we all can do is reveal the facts, and sometimes they are definitely hard to find.

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Feb 18, 2019 09:02:28   #
Rose42
 
woodguru wrote:
I hated seeing some of the better more sensible GOP politicians get "primaried" out by money and hard right nut cases. I'd like to see an end to the two party system so people can vote for the person that makes the most sense. I know there are dems that the right would love if they didn't have a D before their names, and vice a versa.


It looks like there is a growing number that would like to see an end to the two party system but the democrats and republicans will do their best for that not to happen. If a strong candidate comes forth that is independent of those two parties we could see a move toward change.

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Feb 18, 2019 09:35:06   #
Morgan
 
Rose42 wrote:
It looks like there is a growing number that would like to see an end to the two party system but the democrats and republicans will do their best for that not to happen. If a strong candidate comes forth that is independent of those two parties we could see a move toward change.


If we didn't have parties people would be forced to simply choose by the merits, character, and agenda of the candidate, rather then simply dedication to a party line which as we see daily and is completely manipulatable. This won't stop manipulations completely but it can slow it down and certainly stop this party hatred that is expanding and dividing us.

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Feb 18, 2019 09:36:52   #
Dinty
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I like the idea of term limits...
Perhaps a ban from lobbying jobs as well?


I agree 100%

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Feb 18, 2019 09:53:45   #
Hug
 
Morgan wrote:
I agree, but I believe some people are afraid to admit it for fear of old fashion ridicule by others, when it is the people who are offending who should be the ones carrying the shame. You're also correct on facing the realities of the facts, but that isn't stupidity but more towards the unwillingness that you mention and obstinance which then is completely out of our control,lol. All we all can do is reveal the facts, and sometimes they are definitely hard to find.

WELL STATED!

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Feb 18, 2019 09:58:29   #
Hug
 
Morgan wrote:
If we didn't have parties people would be forced to simply choose by the merits, character, and agenda of the candidate, rather then simply dedication to a party line which as we see daily and is completely manipulatable. This won't stop manipulations completely but it can slow it down and certainly stop this party hatred that is expanding and dividing us.

A no party or one party system is a totalitarian government.

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Feb 18, 2019 10:30:42   #
Rose42
 
Morgan wrote:
If we didn't have parties people would be forced to simply choose by the merits, character, and agenda of the candidate, rather then simply dedication to a party line which as we see daily and is completely manipulatable. This won't stop manipulations completely but it can slow it down and certainly stop this party hatred that is expanding and dividing us.


I would also like a time limit on campaigning. How about two or three months instead of going on two years?

It would be quite a sight for a sitting Congressman or Senator to bring this up and have a discussion about it.

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Feb 18, 2019 10:32:10   #
Morgan
 
Hug wrote:
A no party or one party system is a totalitarian government.


No it isn't, its the complete opposite, a totalitarian government is usually ruled by a dictator, and there is very little or no freedom. In totalitarianism, the government controls almost every aspect of life.

This is why democracy is our sovereignty(our power) and the enemy of any form of dictatorship or supreme single authority, a democracy comes from the people, not from a one-party government, which is what the far right is trying to force us into. I was happy to clarify this for you Hug

After rereading this again I see you put both so you are correct when you stated a one-party system, but not in the no party, apologies.

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Feb 18, 2019 10:46:39   #
Morgan
 
Rose42 wrote:
I would also like a time limit on campaigning. How about two or three months instead of going on two years?

It would be quite a sight for a sitting Congressman or Senator to bring this up and have a discussion about it.


I agree, all should be on a term, including judges.

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Feb 18, 2019 10:52:54   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Morgan wrote:
I agree, all should be on a term, including judges.


Definately judges...
And there should be a rotation(?)

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Feb 18, 2019 11:00:40   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Hug wrote:
A no party or one party system is a totalitarian government.


You mean like Hitler???? A government that prohibits opposition parties, restricts individual opposition to the state and its claims, and exercises an extremely high degree of control over public and private life....

Is that not what some,like lets say your One World Order etc are trying to achieve??

Are we not headed for such marked by political repression, personality cultism, control over the economy, restriction of speech, mass surveillance, suppressing freedom of speech, trying to attack the second amendment, confiscate weapons and widespread use of state terrorism???

A party of the people would have vast opinions geered to the country and its citizens, not like the parties presently in reign....

Given the nature of our political climate being so engrained by our Constitution we the people must be diligent in safe guarding this great nation from tyranny, oppression and a government not for its citizens ~~in power right now, btw..

I suggest strong terms limits..
Strict adherance to thr Constitution, Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independance
No lobbying of any kind
No super pacs funding
No contributions
Flat rate taxing
Smaller government, including involvement in our lives
Take the money payoffs out of the equation snd term limit people ...
We have the best system in the world but it sure does need an overhaul upgrade on how things are done and who controls what...

Finally, “I think there’s a socialistic impulse, I hear every day, in every kind of community.. think ortez, sanders, Omar, who is lethal snd how that one got in office is a mind bender, Bill de Blasio, that guy in Texas,Bynum, and that woman from Hawaii, Ing, I think her name is....Socialism is on the rise and only growing... You like it have at it.. I do not...

History shows that the only way to “improve” people’s lives is to not impede their freedom....

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Feb 18, 2019 11:49:50   #
Hug
 
Morgan wrote:
No it isn't, its the complete opposite, a totalitarian government is usually ruled by a dictator, and there is very little or no freedom. In totalitarianism, the government controls almost every aspect of life.

This is why democracy is our sovereignty(our power) and the enemy of any form of dictatorship or supreme single authority, a democracy comes from the people, not from a one-party government, which is what the far right is trying to force us into. I was happy to clarify this for you Hug

After rereading this again I see you put both so you are correct when you stated a one-party system, but not in the no party, apologies.
No it isn't, its the complete opposite, a totalita... (show quote)
Good point. Washington did not want parties, but how is that achevied considering human nature?0

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Feb 18, 2019 11:51:06   #
fidelis
 
As the "Iron Lady" so eloquently alluded "socialism is great until you run out of other people's money".

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