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Mar 22, 2014 00:27:23   #
Armageddun Loc: The show me state
 
AuntiE wrote:
He has none. Hit, run, deflect, denigrate would be his point.


Agreed. I would like to know why he was convicted of eating mushrooms

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Mar 22, 2014 00:27:46   #
migeli
 
Maimonides was declared an imbecile at the Judgement of Neems.So why all this long discourse about what he thought.Immaterial.Let's move on.

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Mar 22, 2014 00:29:49   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
migeli wrote:
Maimonides was declared an imbecile at the Judgement of Neems.So why all this long discourse about what he thought.Immaterial.Let's move on.


Was there a directive placing you in charge of how a forum is conducted? Could you post a copy of said directive?

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Mar 22, 2014 00:31:47   #
rumitoid
 
Armageddun wrote:
And your point is????


Ask him for a correct spelling and a link.

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Mar 22, 2014 00:35:42   #
migeli
 
Consider yourself disarmed.

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Mar 22, 2014 01:13:21   #
Armageddun Loc: The show me state
 
rumitoid wrote:
Ask him for a correct spelling and a link.


I try to be a gentleman and would not wish to embarrass him. I found my own and am looking forward to learning more about what seems like interesting facts.

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Mar 22, 2014 01:32:45   #
rumitoid
 
jetson wrote:
Why are there atheist? Every Christian website I go on, there are atheist there. I marvel at your logic. Why waste your time. I didn't get saved until I was forty years old. I didn't bother with God and He seem to let me alone. You atheist seem to know the Bible better than the Christians do. Why? Why bother? When I was a sinner I had better things to do and places to go. I didn't bother with a Christian and didn't care if someone went to heaven or not. I am not trying to say you have no right on a website, I can't understand why. Why care where he goes or do. I never try to force my Christ on someone. I will talk to someone if they are interested, but if they are not, I do what Jesus said do. Move on. Why do you work free? are you community organizers. Are you guys on Satan's payroll, Does he offer SS or retirement. Does he have a good insurance plan. Can he extend your life here on earth. Will he bless you or help you in the time when calamities happens. Do you say, you don't believe in Satan either. If you do, he is smiling. He doesn't even have to work on you. You've done his job for him. Well, I found the one that can do all these things and I know Satan's retirement will be a hot time for him
Why are there atheist? Every Christian website I ... (show quote)


Back in the mid-80s, I was bound and determined to destroy Christianity. But all I really knew o Christianity was, as you said, TVangelist, most that seemed only out just for the money. Raised a Roman Catholic and thoroughly convinced it was the "one, true faith" well into my thirties, I had never actually studied the Bible. So I started, knowing such knowledge was my best weapon. Then, on my own (perhaps not completely because I feel I got some help from the Holy Spirit), I begin to see the chinks in the armor of its theology. My war against Christianity ended up bringing me to Christ. "God works in mysterious ways..." The same was true of a few well-known Christian converts, including my favorite, C.S.Lewis.

Atheists are undoubtedly part of God's plan. In our limited life span, he gives us perhaps a few hundred pages in his mighty tome to know and act on. Enough grace sufficient to his ends, not ours. Love is the thing. Love first, last, and always is what he charges us with for others. This is not blind and stupid, weak and feckled affection but, as God is love, holding all his righteousness and character.

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Mar 22, 2014 07:26:23   #
cant beleve Loc: Planet Kolob
 
rumitoid wrote:
Back in the mid-80s, I was bound and determined to destroy Christianity. But all I really knew o Christianity was, as you said, TVangelist, most that seemed only out just for the money. Raised a Roman Catholic and thoroughly convinced it was the "one, true faith" well into my thirties, I had never actually studied the Bible. So I started, knowing such knowledge was my best weapon. Then, on my own (perhaps not completely because I feel I got some help from the Holy Spirit), I begin to see the chinks in the armor of its theology. My war against Christianity ended up bringing me to Christ. "God works in mysterious ways..." The same was true of a few well-known Christian converts, including my favorite, C.S.Lewis.

Atheists are undoubtedly part of God's plan. In our limited life span, he gives us perhaps a few hundred pages in his mighty tome to know and act on. Enough grace sufficient to his ends, not ours. Love is the thing. Love first, last, and always is what he charges us with for others. This is not blind and stupid, weak and feckled affection but, as God is love, holding all his righteousness and character.
Back in the mid-80s, I was bound and determined to... (show quote)

And I was the same. I also thought Mormons were the only ones either your Catholicism's or Mormonism. Then learned about "ism's" And watched those Preachers until I found one who touched me and brought me to God.
Now I believe we are in the same camp my sister.
:thumbup: :thumbup: No priesthood needed. PTL :idea: :idea:

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Mar 22, 2014 10:50:22   #
jetson
 
I am glad there have been many who realized, Joseph Smith(Mormon), Charles Russell(Jehovah Witness), Mohammed(Islam),Miller(7th Adventist), Popes and Bishops,(Catholic), Budda,(Buddaism) and all false religions and false teachers have perverted the true gospel of Jesus Christ. I know you atheist know there are so many in it for money and fame. They are called wolves in sheep clothing and will face their judgment one day. That is God's business and He will handle it in due time. All you atheist and unbelievers, if you would give Christ a chance and ask Him to forgive you of your sin. Talk to Him as if He was your best friend, as if you just smash his finger accidently with a hammer and apologized to him for the pain you have cause him. You will prove to yourself, there is a God. Your outlook on life will change. Hate will leave you. Love, will move into your heart. I'm not saying everything will be lovey dovey, because the snake(Satan) is still out there. But, Christ will never let him, give you more than you can bear. You can fully trust in every problem that comes your way, He will be there. When a situation comes you can't solve, put in his hand, then stand back and watch Him work it out. Remember what He told Moses at the Red Sea crossing. He told Him to, stand back,(get out of the way). Maybe some of you other Christians on here, can tell them some things I haven't

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Mar 22, 2014 11:23:25   #
migeli
 
jetson wrote:
I am glad there have been many who realizeChristian.This himith(Mormon), Charles Russell(Jehovah Witness), Mohammed(Islam),Miller(7th Adventist), Popes and Bishops,(Catholic), Budda,(Buddaism) and all false religions and false teachers have perverted the true gospel of Jesus Christ. I know you atheist know there are so many in it for money and fame. They are called wolves in sheep clothing and will face their judgment one day. That is God's business and He will handle it in due time. All you atheist and unbelievers, if you would give Christ a chance and ask Him to forgive you of your sin. Talk to Him as if He was your best friend, as if you just smash his finger accidently with a hammer and apologized to him for the pain you have cause him. You will prove to yourself, there is a God. Your outlook on life will change. Hate will leave you. Love, will move into your heart. I'm not saying everything will be lovey dovey, because the snake(Satan) is still out there. But, Christ will never let him, give you more than you can bear. You can fully trust in every problem that comes your way, He will be there. When a situation comes you can't solve, put in his hand, then stand back and watch Him work it out. Remember what He told Moses at the Red Sea crossing. He told Him to, stand back,(get out of the way). Maybe some of you other Christians on here, can tell them some things I haven't
I am glad there have been many who realizeChristia... (show quote)


What sin? Who are you to call me a sinner?I thought your not supposed to cast stones if you are a Christian.This means your full of it.Somr Christians dont know the first thing about what Christ meant.Have some original thought and stop wuoting scripture.You obviously dont get it.

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Mar 22, 2014 12:03:29   #
jetson
 
migeli wrote:
What sin? Who are you to call me a sinner?I thought your not supposed to cast stones if you are a Christian.This means your full of it.Somr Christians dont know the first thing about what Christ meant.Have some original thought and stop wuoting scripture.You obviously dont get it.


If you are an atheist, you are a sinner. You were and I and every one else were born sinners. It is passed down to everyone from Adam. If God say, we are sinners I think He knows. We are not sinners, because we sin, but we are sinners, because we were born sinners. And by the way I will be a sinner and you will be a sinner until you die. I am just forgiven my sins by the grace of Jesus Christ through faith in Him. If you are looking for a perfect Christian, don't look at me and you can stop wasting your time. There are none on earth. But, when I do sin and Satan will trip me up sometimes, I have an advocate, (a go between), Jesus Christ that will ask God the Father to forgive me, when I ask. Now, this don't mean I can just sin, sin, sin. God knows my heart and if I try this I would become a backslider, right back in my old state I was in and you are in unless you are a Christian. But reading your post you sound like you are in the same state I was in 32 years ago. Lost. I just stopped and asked God to open your eyes and heart, that you might hear and see. I have no ugly words to send back to you.

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Mar 22, 2014 13:16:30   #
migeli
 
jetson wrote:
If you are an atheist, you are a sinner. You were and I and every one else were born sinners. It is passed down to everyone from Adam. If God say, we are sinners I think He knows. We are not sinners, because we sin, but we are sinners, because we were born sinners. And by the way I will be a sinner and you will be a sinner until you die. I am just forgiven my sins by the grace of Jesus Christ through faith in Him. If you are looking for a perfect Christian, don't look at me and you can stop wasting your time. There are none on earth. But, when I do sin and Satan will trip me up sometimes, I have an advocate, (a go between), Jesus Christ that will ask God the Father to forgive me, when I ask. Now, this don't mean I can just sin, sin, sin. God knows my heart and if I try this I would become a backslider, right back in my old state I was in and you are in unless you are a Christian. But reading your post you sound like you are in the same state I was in 32 years ago. Lost. I just stopped and asked God to open your eyes and heart, that you might hear and see. I have no ugly words to send back to you.
If you are an atheist, you are a sinner. You were... (show quote)


Because you get your forgiveness you go right out and sin again, lie , steal, cheat and then you have your savior to firgive you and its all okay.If you just act honestly all the time you dont need to run to fictionsl characters to forgive you.You caused some harm to some one and you get forgiven?How does that help the person you harmed.Your off the hook and they are stuck with the result of your sin.How nice

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Mar 23, 2014 11:34:14   #
larry
 
[quote=Singularity]
larry wrote:
All wars were and are started by atheists. Those that believe they are God in themselves. God has told us what He wants in His dictated word.

Hi Larry. Islam is a religion. Muslims are not atheists. Perhaps you meant non Christian? But Hitler was Catholic. President George Bush initiated the War on Terror by attacking Iraq, saying he felt that was what God wanted him to do.
I believe religious differences are a basis for many conflicts and wars when you broaden the definition of religion to include the fact that there are people in the world who worship other gods, and who worship your God in different ways.
All wars were and are started by atheists. Those t... (show quote)


The problem with religion, is what it represents. If it does not represent the creator and sustainer of the system we are in, it cannot be the true God. There are many different religions, but most of them believe in a concocted god of human ideas. This makes them gods unto themselves, or by extended definition atheists. Those that do not believe in a supernatural entity for their direction and guidance are atheists. Just having a religion and a tree stump for a god, is a waste of time. Their is only one true God according to the word of God himself. There seems to be only one deluded challenger and that is himself a created character. The concern of all humanity should be to detect and align themselves with the true God.

Let me ask you a simple question, why is it wrong to murder someone?

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Mar 23, 2014 11:38:59   #
larry
 
migeli wrote:
Because you get your forgiveness you go right out and sin again, lie , steal, cheat and then you have your savior to firgive you and its all okay.If you just act honestly all the time you dont need to run to fictionsl characters to forgive you.You caused some harm to some one and you get forgiven?How does that help the person you harmed.Your off the hook and they are stuck with the result of your sin.How nice


Do you believe that only those that believe in God commit sin? If you commit sin. What is sin to you anyway? How do you know it? If you think all things are permissible, how can you sin? And who makes anything permissible? What standard do you employ to know what is right and what is wrong? Are you the only judge of right and wrong? If you have no standard to go by, how do you know what sin is?

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Mar 23, 2014 12:20:36   #
Singularity
 
larry wrote:

Let me ask you a simple question, why is it wrong to murder someone?


It seems to me that there is not an absolute answer to that question. Murder is the unlawful ending of a human life. Problem is, laws CHANGE.
The Abrahamic offshoots, (Judaism, Islam, Christianity)
have religious books of law which mostly prohibit an individual killing for personal gain, yet give orders to regulate capital punishment, the conduct of wars and the proper method for aborting unwanted fetuses.
I don't murder other people because I value human life.

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