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Mar 22, 2014 10:28:18   #
Brian Devon
 
rumitoid wrote:
In three different studies, even one that could not hide the numbers but tried to make what was happening in these countries "no big thing," the results were obvious: Islam is an enemy of all liberty and anything not of their beliefs. It is a hateful and oppressive religion bent on world domination. Even with all I knew from my studies of this faith and their actions in the world, the American ideal of tolerance lolled me into a state of reluctant acceptance. No more. The world needs to unite in dealing with this mounting crisis. But how?

If we try to suppress this faith, what faith isn't somehow open to the same fate. Or any group, such as libertarians, we may come to deem as subversive or a threat. How much is religious or any freedom worth?
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The Republicans are good at cherry picking information when it comes to immigrant bashing. The latest example is with Muslims. They harp on the problem children of the Arab world but conveniently leave out nations like Turkey, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Morrocco that have been very much at peace with us for a long long time. Picking out the worst of any people and judging the rest of them by it is the classic definition of bigotry.

Would you want the world to judge the U.S. by Charles Manson, Jeffrey Dahmer, Son of Sam, John Wayne Gacey,
Eileen Wournos, George W. Bush, and Dick Cheney???

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Mar 22, 2014 10:30:32   #
Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City
 
Terry Allan Hall wrote:
To understand a problem, it's useful to go back to the cause of said problem...

Does anyone REALLY think the radical Moslems would be so angry if the English, French, and, later, Americans had not exploited and screwed them over them for so many years?

And, no, the majority of Moslems are no threat to us, but the chickens HAVE come back to roost...


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Mar 22, 2014 10:53:21   #
hprinze Loc: Central Florida
 
Terry Allan Hall wrote:
To understand a problem, it's useful to go back to the cause of said problem...

Does anyone REALLY think the radical Moslems would be so angry if the English, French, and, later, Americans had not exploited and screwed them over them for so many years?

And, no, the majority of Moslems are no threat to us, but the chickens HAVE come back to roost...


That is the kind of naivette that gives the muslims so much power here and abroad.

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Mar 22, 2014 10:56:55   #
hprinze Loc: Central Florida
 
JetJock wrote:
Very true, the slave trade in the world can be laid to the feet of the Muslims who as black Africans, captured and sold the slaves to the Europeans in the slave trade.a




Now they are selling them to Arabs and other Africans

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Mar 22, 2014 11:04:19   #
hprinze Loc: Central Florida
 
Terry Allan Hall wrote:
But yes, I reluctantly voted for Obama twice, as he was the least distasteful choice.





Nobody is more distasteful than Obama. Attila the Hun is preferable to Obama.

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Mar 22, 2014 11:09:17   #
Brian Devon
 
hprinze wrote:
Nobody is more distasteful than Obama. Attila the Hun is preferable to Obama.




Attila the Hun was the Republican nominee in 2000 and 2004. That sure raised our standing in the world.

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Mar 22, 2014 11:30:00   #
jetson
 
The Catholic Church did the same thing until Napoleon. In 1798 he asked Pope Pius VI to come to France to crown him. The pope refused. He sent General Dolphar and a few men to bring him to France. The pope had his Swiss Guards to kill him. Napoleon, then sent General Bertier and enough solders to do the job. Napoleon, then crown himself emperor. The old pope was old and feeble and died in 1799, under guard. That was the end of the catholic political power. The catholic church before this murdered, reports state over a 150 million Jews and Christians if they did not join the catholic church. They took property including land. They torture and murdered in terrible ways,(Google the torture items of the catholic church). Many can still be seen in the dungeons of the old churches today. The very same thing the muslems are doing today. The Islam religion is a religious power and political power as the catholic church was once. These type of religions are parasites in the world, that leads people a hateful out look on the true Christian Church also. Though there all many religions calling themselves Christians, they are far from it.

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Mar 22, 2014 11:33:42   #
Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City
 
Brian Devon wrote:
Attila the Hun was the Republican nominee in 2000 and 2004. That sure raised our standing in the world.

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Of the Hun twins, Attila was the smart one. The other was the nominee and unfortunately won. :-( :-( :-(

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Mar 22, 2014 11:37:46   #
Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City
 
Steve700 wrote:
Islam needs to be Understood for what it is & called & deemed to be what it is - NOT a religion but an EVIL SUPREMISIST IDEOLOGY that intends to take over the world, eliminating every other religion, political system & culture. In the final analysis it is worse than Nazism. At least with that you would have been only subjugated with out having to become a Nazi. I believe there is little hope. And that is because of the naivety of Liberalism which only continues to grow with the diminishing belief & practicing of Christianity & it's values resulting in moral weakness (backbone) & stupidity. For God sake, the liberals believe their lies (to deceive is part of their religion) & partner up with them to go against the Conservative & Christian. That is as lame brain stupid as the Japanese partnering up with the Nazis in WWII. Could they really have believed that Hitler would share power with "Undersize Slant Eyed Gooks" (his perceptions - Don't start calling me a racist now you libs) You don't think liberalism is cowardly & stupid? ?? ??? Tell me why the hard left hates Christianity & befriends Islam. Could it be that Christianity is the one in your neighborhood trying to give you standards to live up to & you foolishly believe you can win the Muslims over with your wonderful fantasy utopia they will just naturally will want to be a part of. --- Pure Stupidness. Islam doesn't want Peace - IT WANTS VICTORY & every Muslim knows his duty to be a soldier for Allah helping to bring about the day when there is world wide Sharia Law & Islam alone dominates the world. And there is No room for the you, that you are in this Islamic Paradise on earth.
Islam needs to be Understood for what it is & ... (show quote)


You talk in extremes. Christian extremists are that much different?

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Mar 22, 2014 11:42:53   #
Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City
 
Steve700 wrote:
What Stupidness - The hate & blame America Leftist Propaganda has really gotten to you. You sound like an Anti Colonial Communist. If it wasn't for the English, French, and, later, Americans the previously colonized Muslims they would still be riding around on camels & living in tents. Islam teaches hate toward nonMuslims. They are ingrates ! !! !!! We, do you understand, WE discovered the oil in Arab lands, got it out of the ground for them & now have brought comparative prosperity to them by paying them for it. You need to Study Islam. God spare us from the unintended consequences of the nievity & stupidity of the liberal
What Stupidness - The hate & blame America Lef... (show quote)


So it's back to the ol' it's our oil under their sand is it? Joy to the frickin world! WE DID SO MUCH for the ungrateful bastards. Learn some real history or look up the definition of "self seeking".

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Mar 22, 2014 12:07:38   #
Unclet Loc: Amarillo, Tx
 
Terry Allan Hall wrote:
To understand a problem, it's useful to go back to the cause of said problem...

Does anyone REALLY think the radical Moslems would be so angry if the English, French, and, later, Americans had not exploited and screwed them over them for so many years?

And, no, the majority of Moslems are no threat to us, but the chickens HAVE come back to roost...



You're surely right! If the French, English and Americans had not exploited and screwed the Mooslims over so badly, they could still be living in tents, cooking with camel dung and marrying children off to old perverts.

I truly wish we had left them alone and we would not be having this conversation today. But we had to mettle in their business - they now live in cities, cook with gas and oh crap, still marry children off to old perverts. Only big difference is that now they want all of us to be like them and are willing to kill anyone who disagrees.

There is no such thing as a moderate or radical Mooslim, only Mooslims who hate those who do not convert. They are willing to lie, and kill to promote their insanity. Read their script - the Koran, and you will understand.

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Mar 22, 2014 12:13:49   #
pixie
 
Steve700 wrote:
Islam needs to be Understood for what it is & called & deemed to be what it is - NOT a religion but an EVIL SUPREMISIST IDEOLOGY that intends to take over the world, eliminating every other religion, political system & culture. In the final analysis it is worse than Nazism. At least with that you would have been only subjugated with out having to become a Nazi. I believe there is little hope. And that is because of the naivety of Liberalism which only continues to grow with the diminishing belief & practicing of Christianity & it's values resulting in moral weakness (backbone) & stupidity. For God sake, the liberals believe their lies (to deceive is part of their religion) & partner up with them to go against the Conservative & Christian. That is as lame brain stupid as the Japanese partnering up with the Nazis in WWII. Could they really have believed that Hitler would share power with "Undersize Slant Eyed Gooks" (his perceptions - Don't start calling me a racist now you libs) You don't think liberalism is cowardly & stupid? ?? ??? Tell me why the hard left hates Christianity & befriends Islam. Could it be that Christianity is the one in your neighborhood trying to give you standards to live up to & you foolishly believe you can win the Muslims over with your wonderful fantasy utopia they will just naturally will want to be a part of. --- Pure Stupidness. Islam doesn't want Peace - IT WANTS VICTORY & every Muslim knows his duty to be a soldier for Allah helping to bring about the day when there is world wide Sharia Law & Islam alone dominates the world. And there is No room for the you, that you are in this Islamic Paradise on earth.
Islam needs to be Understood for what it is & ... (show quote)


great post and very well explained!!!... :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Mar 22, 2014 12:18:03   #
Unclet Loc: Amarillo, Tx
 
hprinze wrote:
That is the kind of naivette that gives the muslims so much power here and abroad.


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Mar 22, 2014 13:23:17   #
bna42 Loc: Dixie
 
Steve700 wrote:
Islam needs to be Understood for what it is & called & deemed to be what it is - NOT a religion but an EVIL SUPREMISIST IDEOLOGY that intends to take over the world, eliminating every other religion, political system & culture. In the final analysis it is worse than Nazism. At least with that you would have been only subjugated with out having to become a Nazi. I believe there is little hope. And that is because of the naivety of Liberalism which only continues to grow with the diminishing belief & practicing of Christianity & it's values resulting in moral weakness (backbone) & stupidity. For God sake, the liberals believe their lies (to deceive is part of their religion) & partner up with them to go against the Conservative & Christian. That is as lame brain stupid as the Japanese partnering up with the Nazis in WWII. Could they really have believed that Hitler would share power with "Undersize Slant Eyed Gooks" (his perceptions - Don't start calling me a racist now you libs) You don't think liberalism is cowardly & stupid? ?? ??? Tell me why the hard left hates Christianity & befriends Islam. Could it be that Christianity is the one in your neighborhood trying to give you standards to live up to & you foolishly believe you can win the Muslims over with your wonderful fantasy utopia they will just naturally will want to be a part of. --- Pure Stupidness. Islam doesn't want Peace - IT WANTS VICTORY & every Muslim knows his duty to be a soldier for Allah helping to bring about the day when there is world wide Sharia Law & Islam alone dominates the world. And there is No room for the you, that you are in this Islamic Paradise on earth.
Islam needs to be Understood for what it is & ... (show quote)



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The mistake that people make is the belief that Islam is only a religion while they use our own laws against us to bring us into submission. The Muslims are allowed several appeasements in order to not have them offended while they are laughing at our stupidity. Every country where they haven't been accepted is riddled with terrorist attacks, suicide bombers, and innocent people killed because the thugs are outraged. So our government allows Muslims to get by with things that the rest of us would be jailed for. These photos were taken in New York City on Friday afternoon. Does anyone think any other religion would be allowed to get by with this public exhibition?







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Mar 22, 2014 14:20:28   #
EconomistDon
 
Terry Allan Hall wrote:
To understand a problem, it's useful to go back to the cause of said problem...

Does anyone REALLY think the radical Moslems would be so angry if the English, French, and, later, Americans had not exploited and screwed them over them for so many years?

And, no, the majority of Moslems are no threat to us, but the chickens HAVE come back to roost...


OK, let's look at the history of Islam, before we blame their anger on what the rest of the world may have done to them.

Here is short description of Islam from the patheos religion Library:
"Islam is a monotheistic religious tradition that developed in the Middle East in the 7th century C.E. Islam, which literally means "surrender" or "submission," was founded on the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad as an expression of surrender to the will of Allah, the creator and sustainer of the world. The Quran, the sacred text of Islam, contains the teachings of the Prophet that were revealed to him from Allah. Essential to Islam is the belief that Allah is the one and true God with no partner or equal."

The beginning of Islam was 622 A.D. That is when Muhammad went to Medina, Arabia and organized his 10,000 followers. Their first mission was to go throughout eastern Arabia to destroy all "pagan idols and temples" -- effectively making Islam the only religion in the land. They continued this mission until 632 A.D. when Muhammad died. Then they expanded out of Arabia. Their first target was Mesopotamia (currant day Iraq) to their north. By 632, the world's longest lived and successful nation was weakened by excessive government spending. They were no match for the Islam barbarians sweeping in from their south. The Muslim's idea of conquering a nation was not to overpower and dominate. Instead, they killed or drove out the entire existing population. Many Mesopotamian cities were completely wiped out - everyone dead. Most Mesopotamians fled into Persia (current day Iran). Others fled west into Syria and Israel. By 637 A.D., Muslims were in complete control of Mesopotamia. In the years following 637, Muslims pushed their barbaric butchering into Persia, pushing the Mesopotamians even further east, and they expanded west toward the Mediterranean Sea.

Continued review of history shows that Islam has never been a peaceful, tolerant religion. They "earned" the hate and disgust that the rest of the world has for them. The rest of the world didn't make them bad; they started that way and never changed.

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