PeterS

So why is it the black guy was singled out?

EconomistDon

TWO REASONS! Pay attention.

1. The NFL contract that all players sign states specifically that they must stand, facing the flag during the national anthem. It is a condition of employment that they agreed to when their employer agreed to pay them hundreds of thousands of dollars. When they are on the field before the game, they are on their work site performing the duties in their job description. Ever hear of breach of contract, Petey?

2. Their excuse for kneeling is to protest police brutality against blacks. They claim that blacks are disproportionately shot by police. But that is not true! Blacks represent 13 percent of the population. Shootings of blacks are 25 percent of all police shootings. BLACKS COMMIT 28 PERCENT OF ALL VIOLENT CRIME. That last statistic is the one that protesters don't want you to know. It destroys their narrative.

What Jehovah Witnesses and the Amish are doing, or not doing, is not on an employer's work site. And it is based on religious freedom, not a racist lie.

Do you have any more silly questions, fascist Pete?

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

Common_Sense_Matters

White men make up 31% of American population but commit 69% of all violent crimes

these ratios are fairly close but it does appear that percentage wise, white males seem to have a slightly higher ratio of violent crimes than blacks but not by much.

Source White male percentage: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/10/08/65-percent-of-all-american-elected-officials-are-white-men/

Source percentage of arrests for violent crimes: https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/apr/02/sally-kohn/sally-kohn-white-men-69-percent-arrested-violent/

White people (male and female combined) make up 60.7% of total population here in the U.S. (according to U.S. census estimates in 2018) and made up 41% of police killings in first half of 2018 (during that same period blacks made up 13.4% of population and 20% of police killings).

Source population figures: https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045218#PST045218

Source police killing statistics: https://thesocietypages.org/toolbox/police-killing-of-blacks/

According to those figures, there is a clear trend towards blacks being killed more frequently than whites by police. Considering that they commit nearly the same number of violent crimes percentage wise, wouldn't you expect that the percentage ratio killed by police should be closer?


Edit: Notice that whites make up 60.1% of population but 41% of those killed by police, blacks made up 13.4% of population but 20% of those killed by police. The population percentage was higher than the "killed by police" percentage in the "whites" category but the population percentage was lower than the "killed by police" percentage in the "blacks" category. That is a pretty good indication that blacks are killed by police at a much higher rate than whites even though the violent crime statistics are fairly close between those two races.

Common_Sense_Matters

As for your assertion that it is in their contracts that they must stand for the pledge, The versions of the contracts I found for professional football athletes does not appear to have anything stipulating such laid out within the contract.

Source: http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/744265/APPENDIX_A__player_contract_.pdf

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BigMike Loc: yerington nv

28+69=97

You guys are saying Latinos, Native Americans, Asian Americans, Indian Americans and all the other Americans from everywhere else only commit 3% of the crime?

That doesn't sound right!

Common_Sense_Matters

Violent crimes, not crimes total.


Edit: European Americans are lumped into the "whites" percentage as well.

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

Still, the Latinos were left out...and my time in CA prison tells me they're a huge chunk of the violent stuff. The numbers are screwy.

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

We're working on it. Don't trip.

EconomistDon

Thank you for your support, Common.

Your charts for homicide are even more dramatic than the figures that I presented.

Year Race Sex Reported Percent Rate per 100K
2012 White Male 4,631 41.5% 4.9
2012 Black Male 5,095 45.6% 35.2
2013 White Male 4,486 41.7% 4.7
2013 Black Male 4,863 45.2% 33.0

These figures show that murder by blacks is rampant. The black 13 percent of the population commits more murder than the white 64 percent of the population. The "rate per 100K" is insanely out of balance. How can anyone argue with the percentage of police shootings by race? Are police supposed to look the other way and let the black man go free when he commits a violent crime?

Common_Sense_Matters

Not at all, they should arrest them and let the courts decide their punishments.


Edit: The ratios of black males committing homicides and the ratio of white males committing homicides are very close, true, black males killing people is a bit higher but gang violence makes up a fair share of those figures.

EconomistDon

I agree, and I'm sure that police agree. I guarantee that police try hard to arrest, rather than shoot perpetrators. But when the thugs have guns and are shooting at police, the police have no choice other than to shoot back. What would YOU do if someone with a gun was trying to kill you, and you had a gun for self-defense? Would you shoot back, or let them kill you?

And about your statement that "the ratios of blacks and whites committing homicides are very close." You are forgetting that blacks represent only 13 percent of the population. How can you defend 13 percent of the population who commit 45 percent of homicides? If the "ratios were close", blacks would commit 13 percent of homicides and whites would commit 68 percent of homicides, the same as their percentages in the population.

Common_Sense_Matters

The greatest portion I am sure is most likely gang related so it isn't innocent victims, when you are in a gang, you do what you are told or what you have to, to avoid being killed. I don't think Blacks are inherently more prone to killing innocent victims.

EconomistDon

You are ABSOLUTELY correct. Gang killing, especially over drugs, is rampant in Chicago. Trump has been trying to get this message through to America since he took office. Something needs to be done about the problem in Chicago, Baltimore, Miami, and many other cities where it is so bad, police don't even want to go into the bad neighborhoods. Minorities are killing each other. If Trump really was the racist that Democrats paint him, he would try to ignore the problem, as Obama did. Let them kill each other; then there will be fewer of them! Right? But that is wrong. Dr. Ben Carson got to the heart of the problem when he pointed to the shortage of fathers in the home. Far too many children in the hood are born out of wed-lock. There is no father figure to help raise and shape the child's social life and moral values. And, if the mother is working, there is no mother around to help guide the child. So the child's "family" becomes the neighborhood gang. The family problem must be fixed; just throwing welfare and food stamps at it only makes it worse.

I'm sorry, Common, I'll get off my soapbox now. I get carried away. But I get upset about blame being put on all the wrong people and nothing substantive being done.