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Feb 4, 2019 18:55:31   #
emarine
 
JoyV wrote:
While you say that fascism is right wing, virtually all your descriptions of principles are in direct opposition to right wing principles. So what about fascism leads you to believe it is right wing?

If it is because communism is left wing and fascism is opposed to it, that would mean that republicanism would be left wing because we are opposed to right wing anarchy.

And isn't it interesting that under the equality of communism, there is always an elite ruling body which is far more equal than everyone else living high on the hog? And they do so NOT because they have risked anything in starting a business, or because they have come up with a better mouse trap. But simply because they are the leaders.

And although the laborers supposedly own their labor, who pays for the buildings, materials, machinery, distribution of product, etc.?
While you say that fascism is right wing, virtuall... (show quote)



who pays depends on which system is employed … maybe this will help clarify some...


Right-wing politics - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics

Right-wing parties include conservatives, Christian democrats, classical liberals, nationalists and on the far-right; racists and fascists. ... Eatwell argues that the extreme right' has four traits: "1) anti-democracy; 2) nationalism; 3) racism; and 4) the strong state".
‎List of right-wing political parties · ‎Category:Right-wing politics · ‎Clericalism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right

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Feb 4, 2019 19:08:07   #
emarine
 
lindajoy wrote:
Simply outstanding posts by You and Joy!!

Out done yourselves with objective facts and clear, concise reasoning to go with it..👏🏻👏🏻




You're starting to scare me LJ... your cheerleading is getting old … just how far right are you willing to go?... balance is achieved at the center...

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Feb 4, 2019 19:22:44   #
debeda
 
JoyV wrote:
While you say that fascism is right wing, virtually all your descriptions of principles are in direct opposition to right wing principles. So what about fascism leads you to believe it is right wing?

If it is because communism is left wing and fascism is opposed to it, that would mean that republicanism would be left wing because we are opposed to right wing anarchy.

And isn't it interesting that under the equality of communism, there is always an elite ruling body which is far more equal than everyone else living high on the hog? And they do so NOT because they have risked anything in starting a business, or because they have come up with a better mouse trap. But simply because they are the leaders.

And although the laborers supposedly own their labor, who pays for the buildings, materials, machinery, distribution of product, etc.?
While you say that fascism is right wing, virtuall... (show quote)


TRUE STORY JoyV!!!

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Feb 4, 2019 19:40:48   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
lindajoy wrote:
Simply outstanding posts by You and Joy!!

Out done yourselves with objective facts and clear, concise reasoning to go with it..👏🏻👏🏻


I agree with you in praising these two posts and the great people who posted them. Applause is in order

SWMBO

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Feb 4, 2019 20:55:17   #
JoyV
 
emarine wrote:
who pays depends on which system is employed … maybe this will help clarify some...


Right-wing politics - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics

Right-wing parties include conservatives, Christian democrats, classical liberals, nationalists and on the far-right; racists and fascists. ... Eatwell argues that the extreme right' has four traits: "1) anti-democracy; 2) nationalism; 3) racism; and 4) the strong state".
‎List of right-wing political parties · ‎Category:Right-wing politics · ‎Clericalism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right
who pays depends on which system is employed … m... (show quote)


The word "extreme" means more, or far more, of whatever you are referring to. So the extreme of small government would be even smaller or would be no government. It would NOT be totalitarian. The extreme of supporting the US Constitution would be insisting on the original spelling of the document, NOT discarding it for a dictatorship. Saying fascism is on the extreme right is like saying a midget is the extreme in height. Wilt Chamberlain was tall, but if you want to see the tallest extreme, look for a midget.

Just because something is written, does not make it true. Wikipedia has a pretty good track record. Not too far left of center. But it isn't always correct.

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Feb 4, 2019 20:59:58   #
Officer Jim Loc: Florida
 
JoyV wrote:
Your list has almost no relationship to right wing. The items on your list which ARE characteristics of the right wing are:
#1) Nationalism? ABSOLUTELY!!!! Right wingers tend to be PATRIOTIC. The two go hand and hand! In WWII, both the allies and the axis were patriotic nationalists.
#11) Disdain for socialism and communism, yes. They are both antithetical to a republic form of government. So are both anti-United States Constitution, which means they are anti-American. Now fascist have disdain for communism, but not for socialism seeing fascism is a brand of socialism.
#12) Is it obsession to not want violent criminals walking the streets to continue to victimize the populace? But you need to separate CRIME from PUNISHMENT. Almost all on the right want law enforcement to reduce victimization by criminals. But only a minority care at all about PUNISHMENT. Most want those who are a threat to be dealt with in a way that eliminates or minimizes the threat. And many would prefer some sort of restitution instead of punishment for those criminals who are not violent.
#2) Less so than #1 and #11. But we do understand that in a world where there are those who openly declare they want to destroy us, a strong military is vital.
#6) I guess that depends on where you draw the line between refusing to bow down and kow-tow to anyone or any organization not under the authority of the US Constitution being a reasonable position or being an obsession. We will not lay down for others to walk over us!

Now lets look at your other items on your list:
#3 and #4) There are sexist found on both the right and left. Neither the right nor left is inherently sexist. Although there are individuals on both side who are. The left wing Clintons are definitely sexist and disdainful of human rights. In Bill's case it is by the use of his authority over the women for his sexual gratification with no respect for the women in question. In Hillary's case it is in her quest for money and power that she will mow down anyone weaker in her way. And she sees most women as being weaker and not worthy of anything but her contempt. From her destroying a young girls future for the sake of winning a court case for a child rapist client, to making money off of oppressing disaster victims in Haiti, to accepting money from VIPs of women oppressing regimes, to being good friends to KKK officials. Even her paying women well below the national average rate difference between men and women, and give zero paid time for maternity leave. While the right wing Trump pays women an equal rate as men, gives far more paid time for maternity leave than the national average. As for human rights, he only puts the emphasis on taxpayers money going first to protect American human rights and not putting Americans at risk for the sake of appearing to fight human rights abuses when nothing is actually accomplished.
#7) Enforcing the 1st Amendment's guarantee that government MUST not infringe of American's religious freedom, is NOT entwining religion and government. When government tries to punish people for following their religious convictions, AND allows taxpayers money to be used to promote one religion's rites and teaching in our public schools; THAT is entwining religion and government! Muslim prayer rooms. Teaching of the Pillars of Islam in elementary school. Punishing a business owner of one religion for not participating in rites contrary to their religious convictions. These were all done under a left wing administration.
#8) Corporate power was even MORE protected under previous administrations both right and left wing. Corporations under Trump do not get a free pass to outsource production and use the benefit of being an American company to sell their outsourced product to Americans with no consequences. Now they must pay tariffs to bring their product home and compete with home produced products. But small business has been empowered instead of stifled and restricted.
#9) On the contrary, encouraging business means more jobs. More jobs means more opportunity for employment. The only way that can be viewed as suppression is if by labor you mean labor unions and if those labor unions want employment restricted to keep employees dependent on them.
#10) If by disdain you mean halting the feeding at the troth of the taxpayer instead of letting their success rely on the approval of their public; then yes.


So what ARE the main characteristics of the right wing?
The desire and call for:
1--Enforcement of the UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2--FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!
3--Fair and equal treatment for ALL Americans!!!!
4--SMALLER government!
5--LESS taxes!
6--Less restrictive regulations.
and to keep the above, most of us see the need for;
7--Strong military.
8--Strong support for law enforcement.

I'm sure I'm leaving out something.

And by the way, while the extreme of the left wing is more and more totalitarianism;
while the extreme of the right wing is anarchism. It is NOT another form of totalitarianism!
Your list has almost no relationship to right wing... (show quote)


Wow Joyv, you are spot on with this post. Proud of you! I just wish others could see the good in America instead of picking it apart all the time. Hell, if they do not like our system of Government, then leave!

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Feb 4, 2019 21:00:05   #
debeda
 
JoyV wrote:
The word "extreme" means more, or far more, of whatever you are referring to. So the extreme of small government would be even smaller or would be no government. It would NOT be totalitarian. The extreme of supporting the US Constitution would be insisting on the original spelling of the document, NOT discarding it for a dictatorship. Saying fascism is on the extreme right is like saying a midget is the extreme in height. Wilt Chamberlain was tall, but if you want to see the tallest extreme, look for a midget.

Just because something is written, does not make it true. Wikipedia has a pretty good track record. Not too far left of center. But it isn't always correct.
The word "extreme" means more, or far mo... (show quote)



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Feb 4, 2019 21:01:13   #
JoyV
 
emarine wrote:
who pays depends on which system is employed … maybe this will help clarify some...


Right-wing politics - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics

Right-wing parties include conservatives, Christian democrats, classical liberals, nationalists and on the far-right; racists and fascists. ... Eatwell argues that the extreme right' has four traits: "1) anti-democracy; 2) nationalism; 3) racism; and 4) the strong state".
‎List of right-wing political parties · ‎Category:Right-wing politics · ‎Clericalism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right
who pays depends on which system is employed … m... (show quote)


The system referred to was communism. The example in the post I was responding to was that under communism, profits are owned by the laborers.

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Feb 4, 2019 21:03:26   #
Officer Jim Loc: Florida
 
emarine wrote:
who pays depends on which system is employed … maybe this will help clarify some...


Right-wing politics - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics

Right-wing parties include conservatives, Christian democrats, classical liberals, nationalists and on the far-right; racists and fascists. ... Eatwell argues that the extreme right' has four traits: "1) anti-democracy; 2) nationalism; 3) racism; and 4) the strong state".
‎List of right-wing political parties · ‎Category:Right-wing politics · ‎Clericalism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right
who pays depends on which system is employed … m... (show quote)


Sorry but those are NOT right-wing groups. Right wing are Facists, The KKK, and groups like that.

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Feb 4, 2019 21:06:21   #
tbutkovich
 
Here’s the progression: democracy, republic, socialism, communism, fascism, and if you have a majority of Muslims in your country, shariaism!

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Feb 4, 2019 21:54:40   #
emarine
 
JoyV wrote:
The word "extreme" means more, or far more, of whatever you are referring to. So the extreme of small government would be even smaller or would be no government. It would NOT be totalitarian. The extreme of supporting the US Constitution would be insisting on the original spelling of the document, NOT discarding it for a dictatorship. Saying fascism is on the extreme right is like saying a midget is the extreme in height. Wilt Chamberlain was tall, but if you want to see the tallest extreme, look for a midget.

Just because something is written, does not make it true. Wikipedia has a pretty good track record. Not too far left of center. But it isn't always correct.
The word "extreme" means more, or far mo... (show quote)



Wiki is close & fast... nothings perfect … we are dealing with two issues here... political & economic... for purely political totalitarian far left … anarchy far right … this works on a simple linear line... when's the last time you saw total anarchy anywhere & for how long?... to factor in economics with political on a simple linear line than communism far left VS fascism far right... with liberal Democrats & conservative Republicans being close to centered works best...

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Feb 4, 2019 21:57:15   #
emarine
 
JoyV wrote:
The system referred to was communism. The example in the post I was responding to was that under communism, profits are owned by the laborers.


Which form?...

It is usually considered a branch of the broader Socialist movement. The dominant forms of Communism, such as Leninism, Trotskyism and Luxemburgism, are based on Marxism, but non-Marxist versions of Communism (such as Christian Communism and Anarchist Communism) also exist - see the section on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_communist_ideologies

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Feb 4, 2019 22:05:15   #
cSc61 Loc: Austin
 
debeda wrote:
You know, it occurs to me that the left, more and more, focuses on semantics. Word games. Twisting, spin doctoring nonsense. If the deeds are focused on, not the words, dems are Nazis. They have the brown shirts (Antifa and BLM) they have the dramatic arrests of political enemies (Cohen, Stone), they have the propaganda machine (MSM is not only owned by a few, mostly left leaning, companies they are being caught in lies and distortions more and more frequently), the dehuminizing of certain segments of the population (Trump supporters, white men, babies, etc), they believe themselves to be morally superior and they have a segment of the population cheering all this on as "progress". And all of the above is accelerating. I hope, pray and believe, because I believe in people, that more and more dems will come out of their trance and #walkaway.
You know, it occurs to me that the left, more and ... (show quote)


Ever wonder why prosecutors are usually conservative while defense attorneys are liberal? Prosecutors stand for the rule of law and must rely on facts, evidence, and first-hand accounts to convict. Because of this, prosecutors are extremely cautious before they indict. As a result, defense attorneys rarely if ever have a real case for innocence. So they are left to rely on lies, distortions, misdirection, semantics, parlor tricks, obfuscation, anything they can think to do in order to hood-wink a jury to not be persuaded by the mountain of forensic evidence being presented.

To your point, the same is true for leftists. They don't have a sound argument to make, certainly nothing based on any fact or evidence, so they rely on extreme emotion, name calling, shouting others down, silencing anyone who opposes them, whatever it takes to advance their cause and convince others they're right. The fact their message is so overwhelmingly appealing to twenty-somethings speaks for itself. Young adults haven't live long enough to know better yet. There's a reason leftists are so hellbent on flooding the country with the indigent and insolvant ... they need voters who need breadcrumbs and aren't interested in patriotism, sovereignty, or the rule of law.

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Feb 4, 2019 22:08:52   #
debeda
 
cSc61 wrote:
Ever wonder why prosecutors are usually conservative while defense attorneys are liberal? Prosecutors stand for the rule of law and must rely on facts, evidence, and first-hand accounts to convict. Because of this, prosecutors are extremely cautious before they indict. As a result, defense attorneys rarely if ever have a real case for innocence. So they are left to rely on lies, distortions, misdirection, semantics, parlor tricks, obfuscation, anything they can think to do in order to hood-wink a jury to not be persuaded by the mountain of forensic evidence being presented.

To your point, the same is true for leftists. They don't have a sound argument to make, certainly nothing based on any fact or evidence, so they rely on extreme emotion, name calling, shouting others down, silencing anyone who opposes them, whatever it takes to advance their cause and convince others they're right. The fact their message is so overwhelmingly appealing to twenty-somethings speaks for itself. Young adults haven't live long enough to know better yet. There's a reason leftists are so hellbent on flooding the country with the indigent and insolvant ... they need voters who need breadcrumbs and aren't interested in patriotism, sovereignty, or the rule of law.
Ever wonder why prosecutors are usually conservati... (show quote)


Good points and AGREED cSc!

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Feb 4, 2019 22:33:38   #
emarine
 
cSc61 wrote:
Ever wonder why prosecutors are usually conservative while defense attorneys are liberal? Prosecutors stand for the rule of law and must rely on facts, evidence, and first-hand accounts to convict. Because of this, prosecutors are extremely cautious before they indict. As a result, defense attorneys rarely if ever have a real case for innocence. So they are left to rely on lies, distortions, misdirection, semantics, parlor tricks, obfuscation, anything they can think to do in order to hood-wink a jury to not be persuaded by the mountain of forensic evidence being presented.

To your point, the same is true for leftists. They don't have a sound argument to make, certainly nothing based on any fact or evidence, so they rely on extreme emotion, name calling, shouting others down, silencing anyone who opposes them, whatever it takes to advance their cause and convince others they're right. The fact their message is so overwhelmingly appealing to twenty-somethings speaks for itself. Young adults haven't live long enough to know better yet. There's a reason leftists are so hellbent on flooding the country with the indigent and insolvant ... they need voters who need breadcrumbs and aren't interested in patriotism, sovereignty, or the rule of law.
Ever wonder why prosecutors are usually conservati... (show quote)



Dam... so much for innocent until proven guilty... there all guilty off with their heads...

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